Thread: So what does a good MGTOW life look like?

Excellent find, Isaiah. Keep the dream alive! Work toward a goal that suits YOURSELF. It could be a BMW M3, like the one Luimarco talks about. It could be a camper-van ... or learning to sail, or learning to fly ... it could be to build yourself a Remittance-Man cabin in the "High Sierras" (or your choice of wilderness) with access to a trout stream or a good fishing lake ... it could be to see Carnival in Rio de Janeiro, or Oktoberfest in Munich, or Angkor Wat, or Walking Street in Pattaya (insert dirty-old-man smiley here!) ...

But have a dream, a goal, that inspires and excites YOU for YOUR sake. And go for it!!

A couple of caveats, though ...

Do you want to achieve this for your own sake? Great!
OTOH, do you want to impress others with it? Not so great.
OTWH*, does it involve "finding the perfect Cupcake?" My advice - think again.
(*On The Worst Hand)

I would argue that the "good MGTOW life," the "good MGTOW dream," isn't concerned with "impressing others" and isn't dependent on "Someone Special" to fulfill it. If you want the drop-top Beemer for the "ultimate driving experience" they advertise, because you love driving sporty and responsive cars and you like the luxury and engineering - notice, this is all about YOUR likes - that's fantastic! If you're thinking of "oh man how cool I'll look, showing up in that at the Manatee Bar on Blues Beach" - trying to impress others is a mug's game. If you're thinking "oh man, the girls will love it" - maybe you belong on the Roosh forum, just sayin'.

ON EDIT: I've got an example from the Annapolis Spring Sailboat Show, last April. It's a showcase of every yacht builder's latest-and-greatest, and I had fun looking at them ... and I was smitten with a beautiful Gozzard 37 on offer by one broker. I mean, it's a beautiful vessel, superbly crafted, truly gorgeous abovedecks and below. The asking price? Nearly $300,000 ... That evening, I checked onto Yachtworld.com and found several older Pearson 365 boats, a hull and rig comparable in substance to that gorgeous Gozzard although far more plebeian in style, selling in the $30-40K range, i.e. 1/8 - 1/10 of the price. They'd do the same job, every bit as well ... and I asked myself, is that Gozzard's elegance and flash really worth 8 times as much to me?

This is such an EPIC post about how awesome the single life is, I had to quote the whole damn long thing. I think this post should be a sticky on this forum.

Originally Posted by Dubya

Holy shit.

I'm jealous.

You know I just remembered something I had realized long ago. That getting divorced was the best thing that ever happened to me.

That's the only way to have this kind of life, that you're seeing here, boats and cars and chilling in Slovenia, etc.

See

- You don't have to avoid women, you can deal with them in whatever mode you please (game, p4p, fwb, whatever)
- You don't have to be childless, just be aware CS is gonna cost you, or who knows you might win custody (or you can use a surrogate)
- You don't have to miss out on having family and friends and close personal relationships

The #1 "buff" in life is not having a bitch in the house. Not having to answer to anybody. Not have to say where you are going, what you are doing, justify your spending, your time, etc etc.

When you sons get older, say 15-16, you can take them aside and let them in on it, they can be your companions on your trips.

Even if you had a CHOICE to go back to the 1930's or something, a traditional family, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

Even if you have all the legal rights in the house, you still have to hear some fucking bitch, with her bitch granny voice, and her bitch face and her bitch attitude.

The only time women are actually FUN is when you're dating/fucking them.
Once you get into LTR, they turn into Dr Jekly and Mr Hyde.
The sex stops. The nice feeling stop. Suddenly it's SERIOUS BUSINESS, we NEED a bigger house, we NEED this, we NEED that, we NEED to go to my parents.

Yeah no, fuck your parents.
Fuck your big house.
Fuck your decorations.
Fuck your bad food and your bad company and your bad breath and whining about how haaaaaard it is to be a mother.
Fuck you. You're lucky to have me.
I'm the value here, not you.

So my conclusion is this is what a MGTOW life looks like :

- You deal with women on your own terms with your eyes open
- If you want kids, you have them, if not then you don't
- You build a base of operations
- You pump up your career
- You juice
- You eat healthy
- You sportfuck women half your age
- You collect every tool, every toy, every gun, every gadget you want
- You fuck whenever you want
- You take trips whenever you want
- And you still manage to slam money into your account every month

Even if they were to offer you a time machine to go back to Beaver Cleaver land
Holy shit what a downgrade

Thank you, thank you, thank you for helping me remember this.

Here is an example of MGTOW who is enjoying his life. Almost 60, never been married, has been travelling the world for over 16 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_OMzjfzGA8

Like mr.jr, I am 61. Got divorced eight years ago. I was pretty sad about it until after a couple months I realized "Wait a minute...this is a good thing." I now do what I want when I want, and will never be in a relationship again. It's just too much work for the little you get out of it. And besides, I enjoy my solitude too much to have anyone else around. I have a dog. That's plenty of companionship for me. Having the freedom to do what you like when you like is priceless. I'll never go back to the plantation.

Hi, I am living a 'MGTOW'-life. Eight months ago I didn't even know the term 'MGTOW'. I also felt like Robinson Crusoe and have a guilty conscience to live as a MGTOW. Caused by many 'morale guardians' (You have to marry!/Do this and that!/You can't do this!)

As a freelancer I work only 28-30 hours a week. I wake up at nine o'clock. Make breakfast and drink expensive coffee and watch my favourite TV-Shows. Then I am leaving MY paid cozy apartment and drive with MY car to my clients. After work I buy what I need and sometimes play Xbox or been occupied two/three hours with my hobby. For my hobby one lifetime is not enough. I have no debts and some money on my bank account (to not work for three years). But I like my job. No need to not work or dream from retirement like many many other people.

I you want to live like a slave. Live like my brother. Married his 30 year old wife ("love").

- his wife decides to buy cats (even if he liked dogs)/TV-Programme/Cinema/Food
- his wife controls his time completely. He cannot even visit me without checking him with sms or phone calls (paranoid bitch).
- his wife 'consumes' 2/3 of his earned money and can't really earn some money from her job as freelancer. She is not working. She is playing work
- his wife has no sense for daily life expenses. Turns on the heater to 24°C in June. Of course. Money flows from the faucet for free...

While watching TV he even laughs exactly at the moment she laughs.

I never saw an individual like my brother (I love him!) who lost nearly 85% of his personality. Like someone 'resetted' him. Overwrites his main 'software'. He gives up his loved sport and his other hobby. Her hobby is: Spending his money like Peggy Bundy.

After one year of marriage she is beginning to speak disrespectful with him. And this is the beginning...

Originally Posted by djc

Having the freedom to do what you like when you like is priceless.

Yes! This is more valuable than money (to only buy things to impress others with no great benefit for oneself).

For example: As a freelancer I decided not to work the next five weeks (summer). With absolutely no money problems

It has been about a year since I have been on this site and a bit more than that as man going his own way. I can say that I have improved myself in various ways. For example, my living space isn't cluttered and is organized. I donated/sold/gave away things I didn't need which allowed me to focus more on keeping the things I do have in tip top shape. I am always doing a weekly analysis in my head with items in my home if I use it frequently enough or if I need a tool, because I do something frequently enough it would save me time. My financial situation is looking up, and I am very frugal about what I spend and prefer flexibility. However, the ultimate flexibility for me would be to rent ideally, but I am in a good situation with my home where I do not fear of going under. But it gives me the option of renting my house out to a family and going to rent a condo on beach front property for example. My coworkers respect me as well as the customers for they look at me with high regard as I am always looking at improving myself at my job despite being recognized for hard work already. My other job requires me to be on the road in remote forested areas, but it is truly satisfying to have the freedom to be out in the wild away from urban and metropolitan life. I think the reason that is true for me is, because I am able to re-center myself and look at the fundamental things I need in my life. And then if I have enough I can go out and buy whatever I want that I desire, but I do not hinge my self worth on social status items to impress women. No restrictions, and this degree of freedom I could have never imagined as a kid, because I was conditioned to believe that monotony of a job, 8-4, five days a week with the same routine was the "norm". In reality, you can maximize each day and change things up with different endeavors. Basically I treat each day like a mini adventure, and I am always looking to drive to new places I have never been to. This is how I am able to constantly learn and I am inspired with new ideas or way of doing things. MGTOW has just accelerated this process for me, because it is about realizing that just because the entire system is rigged, and the house of cards is ready to fall, that you still have the power to do something about it. This is where the social justice warriors miss the big picture of life. Life is what you make of it, not what you demand from others. Other people don't give respect, money, or anything else freely, so such trite demands will always be ignored by those engaged with success. But what you can do is inspire yourself which then become contagious for others to want to give back to you.

I would like to say thanks to all the GYOW members for a very enlightening experience thus far. I can say all the feedback and posts I have read, whether they are positive, negative, have been to the core a truth that not only is observed by many, but has been recorded since the dawn of time. For those lurkers that think MGTOW, herbivores, etc are some type of hate group, they are wrong in every sense of the word. This is because going your own way is about focusing on yourself primarily, and secondarily, accepting that human beings can be driven by animal instinct. We humans can be above human instincts, but that is done with morals, laws, and ethics, but when they are not applied to women in a uniform manner as they are to men this is the degeneration we see in society today. That is the folly of our modern times...ignoring the observations from the ancients, just because we have technology. Meanwhile, the ancient documented human behaviors to near perfection and holds true thousands of years later.

This was my day today.



Aided with a tin of Heineken.


Life's goooooood

Well.. it is sunday, it is raining, I worked VERY hard the last weeks and think it is time to treat me with some goodies.

Oh look, the local chain store has a sunday sale .. so I grabbed a PS4 "Arkham Knight", time for next gen anyway.



Btw. it is time for a new watch anyway.



So .. we get a new console .. that needs feeding..


Guess what I do in november ?



Correct .. "Urlaub" translates to vaccation

I waited7 years .. I will really enjoy myself for 2 weeks and pig out on my couch in front of my 55" screen, with chips and cold coke and surround on full loudness.

Originally Posted by LuckyAustrian

I waited7 years .. I will really enjoy myself for 2 weeks and pig out on my couch in front of my 55" screen, with chips and cold coke and surround on full loudness.

I'll be RIGHT there with ya man. I too have waited 7 years for Fall Out 4. When they announced it at E3 I screamed like some schoolgirl seeing Justin Bieber in person.
I didn't preorder it, however, as I don't really see a point and don't have to since I'm going to be purchasing it from Steam for my PC. I might actually order a physical copy of Fall out 4 for the PC from Amazon but I'm not sure yet.

It will be my birthday present since November 7th is my birthday.

Best. Birthday. Ever.

Originally Posted by YourTipOfTheDay

I'll be RIGHT there with ya man. I too have waited 7 years for Fall Out 4. When they announced it at E3 I screamed like some schoolgirl seeing Justin Bieber in person.
I didn't preorder it, however, as I don't really see a point and don't have to since I'm going to be purchasing it from Steam for my PC. I might actually order a physical copy of Fall out 4 for the PC from Amazon but I'm not sure yet.

It will be my birthday present since November 7th is my birthday.

Best. Birthday. Ever.

Yup.
Watched the E3 lifestream after Bethsoft forums were rumoring about an announcement months in advance.

When it was finally announced I had to shed a little tear, a manly tear of course, of pure joy.

I actually pre-ordered the PC version (for mods later on) already and with that special pricing on the PS4 (more than 100 cheaper than Amazon..) I ordered the console I always wanted anyway.

I grew up on NES and MegaDrive (Famicon and Genesis in the US) so gaming for me has a lot to do with hanging around on the couch lazily and no PC, which I sit in front of for 10 hours a day anyway, can deliver that "gaming feeling" for me.

As my birthday also is coming up I consider my shopping spree my personal gifts for that day too.

Except for some oldies from GOG i mostly play console every other day for an hour before bed-time.

Originally Posted by LuckyAustrian

Yup.
Watched the E3 lifestream after Bethsoft forums were rumoring about an announcement months in advance.

When it was finally announced I had to shed a little tear, a manly tear of course, of pure joy.

I actually pre-ordered the PC version (for mods later on) already and with that special pricing on the PS4 (more than 100 cheaper than Amazon..) I ordered the console I always wanted anyway.

I grew up on NES and MegaDrive (Famicon and Genesis in the US) so gaming for me has a lot to do with hanging around on the couch lazily and no PC, which I sit in front of for 10 hours a day anyway, can deliver that "gaming feeling" for me.

As my birthday also is coming up I consider my shopping spree my personal gifts for that day too.

Except for some oldies from GOG i mostly play console every other day for an hour before bed-time.

Haha, no I totally understand what you mean about chilling on the couch. I'm a little behind you as I grew up with the N64 and Sega Saturn. Although I did play with my friend's Sega Genesis since he was about 7 years older than me (neighborhood kid).

With the PC, I just use Steam Big Picture mode and play sitting on the couch like I do with my console. The only thing that pisses me off about the PC sometimes is that
1) Sometimes you have to mess around with the game when it doesn't work right. At least with consoles you can put the game in the drive and it'll pretty much work, no tweaking necessary. 2) Not all games come compatible with controllers so if you want to use it, you have to use joy2key or some other program to get it together and even then it may still not work. Thankfully most PC games these days come compatible with an xbox controller.

Just the other day I tried to play Metro 2033 Redux on my PC and the game glitched out and I couldn't get past the 5th or 6th chapter because the NPC freezes. Before that I tried playing Manhunt and had to wind up tweaking the game for an extra 2-3 hours because the game kept crashing and/or glitching out.
So although about 90% of the time PC and the games work fine - the times that it does screw up is a real pain in the arse. The nice thing about consoles is the game works 100% of the time. I've never had a game that didn't work, unless it was just a game that was developed poorly, (cough)Anna(cough)


Edit: Also I never heard of the NES being referred to as Famicon. It was called NES in the US too as far as I know. I've never even heard of Famicon. I would have no idea what a person would be talking about if they said Famicon instead of NES lol.

I guess I'm not fully a MGTOW then.

Because I still would like to have a female girlfriend and I would still like to be an important part of a community.

But I also have a low tolerance for crap.

The sad thing about society is you have no choice but to follow their rules. You have to allow them to micro manage your life, tell you how to think, how to act, how to look.

Mindless soulless conformity.

All in the land of the free home of the brave.

I'll just have to work on it I suppose.

But I'll be damned if I let those assholes tell me how I have to be.

It's a sad thing though, you either conform or you just will not be allowed to be apart of their culture.

All the while spewing their crap about how tolerant they are of other people and cultures and things of that nature.

What a load of crap.

The saddest part it really doesn't have to be that way.

And i will never understand why Americans are so fearful of anything that isn't like them.

Real tolerance is allowing people to be themselves.

Real tolerance is not enforcing stupid arbitrary rules on to people just because you hate it that people are different.

Liberals, progressives, Christians, conservatives, homosexuals.

None of them have any clue what true tolerance is, it is and always forever be "I will only tolerate and accept you if you are like me and put my interests ahead of yours".

And if you don't obey you will simply be bullied using any dirty rotten trick they can muster mister.

If you don't comply at all you will simply be ostracized.

I just do not understand that mentality.

True tolerance, true freedom should be do what thou wilt at no harm to others shall be the whole of the law.

So .. we had a real heat wave we are not used too in the last weeks and, as my garden is huge it was taking a hard toll on my plants.

I am an avid gardner and my garden is my main hobby in my spare time and I invested quite some money into it.

While I have installed quite some automated watering, this year I had to carry quite some water by hand to keep my plants alive.
And, while good and free training, rather time consuming and unpleasant in the heat of the evening not to mention that I work a lot too so time is precious resource for me.

Well .. for every problem there is a solution, you just have to think out of the box.

What I wanted:

Something that can carry my water around, pumps it from a tank to the plants quickly, that drives on its own and at the same time is small enough to drive trough the doors into the inner yard of my home.

You can not afford "a gardener" in Europa anyway until you are really uber-rich, so you have to do it on your own.

Well, after some research I actually found something fitting my needs .. and after a little shock regarding the price tag I ordered it:



A shuttle that is usually used to distribute milk to calves. Drives on it`s own, has an pump that has 3 hot-buttons for dosing programmable amounts of liquid every time you operate the pistol which I programmed for 0,5ltr. for little pots, 2 liter for the big pots and 10 ltr. for bushes and tomato plants. Everything is either stainless steel or food-grade plastics wich I consider important when watering things I am actually going to eat. It even has an integrated 6kW heater and an stirrer so also putting fertilizer into the water and mixing it is not a problem. It also has a big ball valve at the bottom for releasing water without using the pump. Very useful for newly planted trees that got ap. 50 ltr. of water every now.



Perfect machine, watering tomatoes with a device that costs as much as a little new car while not breaking a sweat IS manly as fuck.

And showing off that you can work more then full time, have a career AND a perfectly neat home with a huge garden ... really pisses of the bitching housewives of the area with their plastic watering cans and I bet there will be a lot of men not getting laid in the neighboring houses for the next weeks for the reasons of not keeping up.

I already make potential wives and wannabe mothers in law wet their panties (see intro) but this will turn them into gushing water falls *hrhr*

Thankfully there should be some rain now this Sunday (I hope so) to get unusual hot the rest of the week again.


Not to mention when it comes to mowing the grass ...

They see me rollin .. they hatin' !



In conclusion:

You can have it all .. as long as you keep women out of your life or at least out of your WALLET !

The MGTOW life .. addition:

I do not only have a shitload of plants (green thumb, I can do what I want everything grows like mad), I also have some little life-stock.

I started with quails some months ago and decided to give breeding them a try.

Well .. I only used a few eggs just to see if I get it right .. and I did:

I had to help 2 of them as I fed their parents well, gave them their sand and it seems the shells were unusually thick.



Tiny as golfballs .. but very, very agile to begin with.


Their temporary home with electric mother.


Of course, everything that needs work needs an reason to exist in my life.

And here is an excellent one

Well, was rather busy this week so the update is from last Sunday, a MGTOW SUNDAY you lurkers here.

First I took care of my little fun machine.


Then went for a ride in the mountains.



Went to a fair, darn those Nano-Cubes are sweet as fu.. !! I think I want one.



And if your eye-sight is challenged, just make the fish in your tank bigger, much bigger.

I mean .. really big !


Afterwards went watching some old machinery. Heck, all that stuff is just a lifetime old.


I am not a horse-guy .. but those heavy plow-horses are monsters


And here is 370 of those .. on tracks, if I ever get the Jackpot I will mow my lawn with this.


We finish the day with a lavish feast us usual

Quite some time after I have opened this topic I think I can finally answer this question on my own. Actually internalizing the red pill can be quite a long journey. For me it was a bit of a depressing one, but now that it's completed I'm so happy I joined this forum after that fateful google search.

A MGTOW life most of all is a free one. Freedom always makes one happy. When I was nineteen my main goal in life was to get a girlfriend. When I was twenty-one it was to keep my girlfriend and now that I'm twenty-five there is actually room for other goals. Not only to dream of them, but to actually live them.

Let it be clear. If a family man wants to go on an expedition in the himalayas to climb K2, he will most likely hear objections from his wife and perhaps children. The wife and kids always come first for someone who has them. Not that that's a bad thing, it's just that there's so much more to life than just making those people happy. There's so much more to discover, to be experienced, to learn. I'm so grateful I wasn't settled down before I read this material. I'm so grateful for the extra time and the extra money I will have in this life.

Originally Posted by ikbenrein

Quite some time after I have opened this topic I think I can finally answer this question on my own. Actually internalizing the red pill can be quite a long journey. For me it was a bit of a depressing one, but now that it's completed I'm so happy I joined this forum after that fateful google search.

A MGTOW life most of all is a free one. Freedom always makes one happy. When I was nineteen my main goal in life was to get a girlfriend. When I was twenty-one it was to keep my girlfriend and now that I'm twenty-five there is actually room for other goals. Not only to dream of them, but to actually live them.

This, I believe, is a key point that cannot be repeated, cannot be emphasized, too much:

MGTOW is about freedom.

It's about your freedom to choose. Your freedom to direct your own life. Your freedom to set your own goals, to say "This is the life I want to live," and to work to achieve it.

But there's a false paradox that detractors may set up on it. That quest to 'go your own way,' they'll say, is all about 'not growing up' - being a man-child, a layabout, irresponsible, 'Mommy's basement' and all of that. And they'll go farther, given half a chance; they'll paint the MGTOW as 'emotionally immature,' perhaps as 'insecure' or 'anti-social,' because he refuses to "man-up" and harness himself to some predatory, would-be Bridezilla who is, more likely than not, a Butterball of immaturity, insecurity, irresponsibility, and emotional baggage, whose only 'redeeming feature' may be that she can pop out kids to keep the world populated.

Well ... absolutely not! There isn't a boy in this world who isn't taught, by every influence brought to bear on him, that his only value is his utility - to Mommy, to Family, to the System. There isn't a boy who doesn't learn that Actions Have Consequences, and There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Even the 'playa' has to hustle to get there.

The Man Going His Own Way takes responsibility for his actions, and he gears his actions toward the consequences that will aid him to his goals. He doesn't see "responsibility" as blame or shame, and he by no means "accepts responsibility" for the butthurts of others. His perspective follows the immortal lines of Invictus: "I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul."

Let it be clear. If a family man wants to go on an expedition in the himalayas to climb K2, he will most likely hear objections from his wife and perhaps children. The wife and kids always come first for someone who has them. Not that that's a bad thing, it's just that there's so much more to life than just making those people happy. There's so much more to discover, to be experienced, to learn. I'm so grateful I wasn't settled down before I read this material. I'm so grateful for the extra time and the extra money I will have in this life.

Well.. after some rather busy weeks time for a little update on the good MGTOW-life

I started my road-trip early at sunrise ... nothing beats a good sunrise



First, I spent some time abroad and ate my way trough some rather exclusive places:



I also went to Hoorn, a little "pirate nest" (no offense in the Netherlands which has a very cool old town built into the march with buildings leaning in all directions.


Visited the local city museum ... dudes had traveled the world even in the old times and brought home exotic animals and fruits and riches in gold and silver.




To end the day I sat down in the inner city with some glas of "Grüner Veltliner" which in Austria is basically the lowest common wine .. for 5 Euros the glass



Went home to see that I could collect my Fallout Anniversary set .. including a Fat Man replica containing all FO GOTYs of the past for PC



Went into the alps and encountered the first snow of the year.


Slept in a private hotel and enjoyed a nice view from the balcony.

I am new here. However, I am not new to MGTOW thinking. Since I gave up dating, I have been able to buy several Corvettes.