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    Woman Smart, Man Smarter

    Men are more intelligent than women, claims new study

    It is research that is guaranteed to delight men - and infuriate the women in their lives.

    A controversial new study has claimed that men really are more intelligent than women.

    The study - carried out by a man - concluded that men's IQs are almost four points higher than women's.

    British-born researcher John Philippe Rushton, who previously created a furore by suggesting intelligence is influenced by race, says the finding could explain why so few women make it to the top in the workplace.

    He claims the 'glass ceiling' phenomenon is probably due to inferior intelligence, rather than discrimination or lack of opportunity.

    The University of Western Ontario psychologist reached his conclusion after scrutinising the results of university aptitude tests taken by 100,000 students aged 17 and 18 of both sexes.

    A focus on a factors such as the ability to quickly grasp a complex concept, verbal reasoning skills and creativity - some of they key ingredients of intelligence - revealed the male teenagers had IQs that were an average of 3.63 points higher. The average person has an IQ of around 100.

    The findings, which held true for all classes and levels of parental education, overturn a 100 year consensus that men and women average the same in general mental ability.

    They also conflict with evidence that girls do better in school exams than boys.

    But Prof Rushton, who was born in Bournemouth and obtained his doctorate in social psychology from the London School of Economics, argues that the faster maturing of girls leads to them outshining boys in the classroom.

    And since almost all previous data showing an absence of difference between the sexes was gathered on schoolchildren, the gender difference could easily have been missed.

    'It looks like up until late adolescence, the females have the advantage over males because they mature faster, which masks the underlying difference, he said.

    Although experts have accepted that men and women differ mentally, with males averaging higher on tests of 'spatial ability' and females higher on verbal tests, it was assumed the differences averaged out, leaving no difference in overall intelligence.

    Prof Rushton believes the differences are directly linked to brain size, with other studies showing men having slightly bigger brains than women.

    'We know that men have larger brains, even when you take into account larger body size,' said the researcher. 'That means there are more neurons. The question is what these neurons are doing in a man - and they probably have an advantage in processing information.'

    It is thought the difference may date back to the Stone Age, with women seeking out men who are more intelligent than them in a bid to pass on the best genes to their children.

    'Some people have suggested it evolved because women prefer men who are more intelligent than they are for husbands,' said the professor.

    'Just as they prefer men who are taller than them, they also prefer a male who is a little ahead of them in IQ.'

    Critics claim Prof Rushton's results could have been skewed by the inclusion of more test results from females than form males.

    Prof Rushton, who four years ago triggered a scientific row by claiming intelligence and behaviour are influenced by race, with blacks being more likely to be involved in crime and Asians having a greater chance of high IQs, however, stands by his results.

    'These are unpopular conclusions,' he said. 'People should not be made to feel afraid to study controversial issues.

    'We have the right to find the truth. One should really look at the facts.'

    His work appears to confirm British research which showed men have bigger brains and higher IQs than women, which may explain why chess grandmasters and geniuses are more likely to be male.

    The analyses of more than 20,000 verbal reasoning tests taken by university students from around the world revealed that women's IQs are up to five points lower than men's .

    Women needn't feel despondent, however, as the scientists believe women can achieve just as much as men - as long as they work harder.
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    Re: Woman Smart, Man Smarter

    Of course its true, but that's because we have two brains.

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    IQ and intelligence are not dependent. IQ is the result of a standardized test, while intelligence is the more abstract concept of being able to grasp and work with new concepts. I'm not a fan of the IQ test in general, and certainly not how it's perceived as the defining metric for intelligence.

    I can easily see women scoring lower due to their life being on easy mode in terms of intellectual competition in today's society. If you're a decent looking woman, you don't have to be smart to succeed. As a man you'd have to be fucking gorgeous to avoid not being shoehorned into a certain measure of intelligence.

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    Agreed, IQ test has its flaws. And plus there are plenty of men who are dumber than the average broad.

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    Re: Woman Smart, Man Smarter

    and of course, the headline is worded specifically to cast doubt on itself. if a study said the reverse, the headline would blast "WOMEN NOW OFFICIALLY MORE INTELLIGENT THAN MEN, STUDY HAD DISCOVERED"

    fuck em all and fucking no regrets.

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    and of course, the headline is worded specifically to cast doubt on itself.
    That's nothing more than a mass media report on the study, not the study itself. It's very common for such media reports to misrepresent studies because the journalist simply didn't read or understand it. Further, while the study might be objective, mass media rarely is, and the report will typically word things based on the journalist's agenda. In fact, I've seen media reports that say a study concluded the exact opposite of what it actually concluded.

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    Re: Woman Smart, Man Smarter

    It's interesting, but is it all that relevant? Four points of IQ aren't a lot ... and you're still left with some women who "have a higher IQ" than most men, just as some men score higher than most women. I agree with Ithit - the important question is how well you can grasp and work with new concepts. There are other abstracts, such as drive, teamwork, priorities, etc., that also affect one's ability to succeed ... are we measuring these, as well?

    I would submit that the more important question is - "Are you smart enough to stay out of the clutches of Wile E. Cupcake?"
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    The intelligence difference between individual men and women are neither here nor there. 4 points is not much.

    However when you look at IQ differences of men vs women as a whole then you see something interesting emerge.

    IQ of men as a group then to concentrate on the extremes whereas IQ of women then to concentrate on the average / mean.

    This would explain why there are a lot more intelligent men, a lot more successful men...as well as...explain why there are also a lot more homeless men, foolish men, stupid men and degenerate men compared to women. Additionally, it would also explain why women tend to, as a collective occupy the middle tier in terms of economy and intellect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Sin View Post
    The intelligence difference between individual men and women are neither here nor there. 4 points is not much.

    However when you look at IQ differences of men vs women as a whole then you see something interesting emerge.

    IQ of men as a group then to concentrate on the extremes whereas IQ of women then to concentrate on the average / mean.

    This would explain why there are a lot more intelligent men, a lot more successful men...as well as...explain why there are also a lot more homeless men, foolish men, stupid men and degenerate men compared to women. Additionally, it would also explain why women tend to, as a collective occupy the middle tier in terms of economy and intellect.
    The guy who made this study you mentioned still got blasted for even remotely suggesting that some man can be smarter than women.

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    It doesn't even matter as long as intelligent women choose to do Gender Studies, Social Studies or Communication Studies. When I meet a woman who can solve problems fast, who is truly interested in the pursuit of knowledge, who reads more than women's magazines and best-sellers, who continuously shows insight and understanding - as, I should add, I've seen many men do - I'll be impressed. I simply never have.

    In any case, what always stood out to me was not the lack of average intelligence among females, but the lack of genius among them. Coleridge once more has elucidating words on the subject: "Talent, lying in the understanding, is often inherited; genius, being the action of reason and imagination, rarely or never." I can think of a few women of genius, but there are evidently vastly fewer than there are men. I am almost inclined to say with the Goncourt Brothers "there are no women of genius: women of genius are men." Feminists have blamed me for not paying enough attention to the admirable women of the world; but trust me, I wouldn't do without George Eliot and Hildegaard von Bingen. If only there were more!
    And when her lips so sweetly move
    The soul such height attain,
    You're free, yet would no longer rove
    But lay you down in chains.

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    It's been known for a while that IQ between men and women is a few points out on average, it's really no big deal or significant in any particular way.

    The distribution of male vs female when it comes to IQ however is much different. For both men and women the distribution of IQ about the mean average forms a bell curve, that curve for men is much flatter and wider than for women, this means that a greater number of women are close to the average of 100, where as more men are further from the same average, more men lay above the average and below it. It means there's a greater number of genius males than genius females, there's also a greater number of low IQ males than females.

    Standardized IQ tests only measure one part of intelligence and mental capability however, we now know from science that men and womens brains are wired differently and behave with different capabilties at different tasks.

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    I think the part about the extremes are right. At both my high school and college women actually have higher average GPAs than men do, but that dosen't make them smarter. In both schools the top 10 academic achievers (I being one of them) were predominantly men and the worst academic achievers were also men. Men just tend to be the best of the best and the worst of the worst.

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    personally, I gotta question how unbiased some of these studies are that claim women are of average intelligence. most women I have ever known were dumber than stumps. the typical stupid man was still on par with the average women. a stupid man can still build an entire house single handed. a stupid man can fabricate a car from scrap.

    even then, the studies still show that men are a few points ahead of women. a few points can mean a world of difference.

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    personally, I gotta question how unbiased some of these studies are that claim women are of average intelligence.
    Objectivity and lack of bias is an unsafe assumption concerning studies. However, it can be hard to read and interpret the studies to verify that they're truly unbiased or clearly state assumptions involved, so a lot of people will say "oh, they did a study, it must be true". I haven't read this study, but I typically start with a perspective of skepticism across the board until I can confirm that the study was well designed and executed according to the design.

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    "4 points" is 4%. and I would argue that 4% is a lot. A whole lot.

    pulling these numbers out of my you know what ... (ass):

    + in athletics:
    -- 0.5% means the difference between a Knockout punch or a 12 round draw
    -- 0.2% means the difference between 1st place in the dash, & not even qualifying
    -- 1% means being on the Superbowl team, or going into "Sales" out of college (with a bad knee of course)

    + in the sciences:
    -- 4% means the difference between a noble prize & being employed as a Univ teacher
    -- 1% means the difference between being a multimillionaire & regional sales person
    -- 2% means the differences between holding 15 patents & being a research associate.

    + in the social sciences (politics)
    -- 1% means the difference between working for the county, manager of waste collection services, or as State Senator

    but, who in the fuk am i ??
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    "4 points" is 4%. and I would argue that 4% is a lot. A whole lot.
    The IQ scale spans 150 points, so 4 points is actually 2.7%. Assuming the study used difference in IQ between male and female test groups, 4 points falls well below the usual 5% p-value and thus is statistically insignificant. The difference is close enough to be simple chance from a single study.

    Even if this result can be consistently reproduced across multiple independent studies then it's still functionally insignificant. A bad night's sleep, a mild cold, skipping breakfast, or any number of minor and routine environmental or emotional situations can negatively affect your score by 15 points or more. Did the study control for the women potentially being more nervous, for example? In fact it didn't control for anything according to the report, as the study was just a collection of test scores. Small differences are difficult to handle when there are a potentially large number of confounding variables, so this study really says a whole lot of nothing. It makes for good controversy fodder though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COSTPI View Post
    I think the part about the extremes are right. At both my high school and college women actually have higher average GPAs than men do, but that dosen't make them smarter. In both schools the top 10 academic achievers (I being one of them) were predominantly men and the worst academic achievers were also men. Men just tend to be the best of the best and the worst of the worst.
    Gee....wonder which of these two groups of men the "average thinking" female gets the tingles from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.G. View Post
    Gee....wonder which of these two groups of men the "average thinking" female gets the tingles from?
    That depends. Many women are attracted to stupid men but in "better" schools, you start to see a culture that promotes being smart instead of the conventional alpha attributes. It is one of the reasons I am an advocate for promoting a culture that worships intelligence rather than things like sports. Have you guys ever asked yourself why men have "extreme" variations compared to women? The true nature and responsibility of women is to preserve the best trait for the current environment. You've given me an idea for another thread.

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    Men have a larger standard deviation. This is well accepted in psychometrics.
    If the author is right, then they also have a larger mean.

    In practical terms, this has effects in two ways - many dumber women, fewer smarter women.
    Slightly dumber women doesn't mean much - the problem with dumber people is they are generally given to antisocial behaviour. With men, this includes violence, not with women - so who cares?
    Less smarter women has a greater effect because its PC to think men and women are mentally exchangable except for body parts. But if they have a smaller Standard Deviation and Mean - there wont be many of them being top class research scientists and programmers etc etc.

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    Re: Woman Smart, Man Smarter

    Quote Originally Posted by Ithit View Post
    The IQ scale spans 150 points, so 4 points is actually 2.7%. Assuming the study used difference in IQ between male and female test groups, 4 points falls well below the usual 5% p-value and thus is statistically insignificant. The difference is close enough to be simple chance from a single study.

    Even if this result can be consistently reproduced across multiple independent studies then it's still functionally insignificant. A bad night's sleep, a mild cold, skipping breakfast, or any number of minor and routine environmental or emotional situations can negatively affect your score by 15 points or more. Did the study control for the women potentially being more nervous, for example? In fact it didn't control for anything according to the report, as the study was just a collection of test scores. Small differences are difficult to handle when there are a potentially large number of confounding variables, so this study really says a whole lot of nothing. It makes for good controversy fodder though.
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    p.s. with the average, mean, and norm being near the 100 point range, why use full scale (which, really, is unproven) as your denominator? If you'll review, I didn't. Perhaps I should have?
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