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    THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Women who don't sleep around before their wedding have happier marriages - but men can play the field without worry, study finds | Mail Online

    I love it when science catches up to me OK, I won't brag because many of you had the same suspicion. I've said this so many times, most recently here:
    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...light=beta+bux

    That carouselers never salvage their lives; that even if they marry, that is not a satisfactory end-game for them. They will be miserable.

    Here are the key parts of the study:

    Women who have several sexual partners before getting married have less happy marriages - but men do no harm by playing the field,a study has found.
    According to new research by the National Marriage Project, more than half of married women who had only ever slept with their future husband felt highly satisfied in their marriage.
    But that percentage dropped to 42 per cent once the woman had had pre-marital sex with at least two partners. It dropped to 22 per cent for those with ten or more partners.
    But, for men, the number of partners a man they appeared to have no bearing on how satisfied they felt within a marriage.

    It means our past experiences, especially when it comes to love, are linked to our future marital quality, they said.

    'This doesn’t mean that sex before marriage will doom a marriage, but sex with many different partners may be risky if you’re looking for a high-quality marriage.'
    There have been many movements throughout history that have slowly waned because they fought a losing war with science....or better said, they were proven to have no legitimate factual basis. Organized religion has had a slow decline, in part because of this. Now feminism is another movement which tells its adherents one thing "Men and Women are Equal!" but biology tells us something quite differently. The very foundation for feminism's advice (that men and women are the same) has proven to be quicksand....that when women copy male behavior, in this case "play the field", they end up getting played. A year ago, I wrote this:

    A woman is not playing the field. She is being played. the emotional fallout from the predictable failure of her ridiculous mating strategy. That emotional fallout creates a broken woman- someone who is fearful, paranoid, ready to lash out at any perceived mistreatment/cheating, unable to truly love and feel, someone who has learned to hate sex and feel shame because of it (because they used sex in the wrong way, to predictably negative consequences).
    There is no way back from there to a happy, mutual relationship.

    Also see my comment here from 4 months ago in response to someone saying carouslers will always marry and "get away with it":

    That's not "all she wrote". Women mistakenly think what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander. But women are biologically different than men. Whereas men were made for sex without attachment and decouple the two, women were not. Feminism is misguiding them into similar relationship behavior as men and there ARE major consequences to women after riding the Carousel- some are physical, but the much larger factor is psychological. I could look up a bunch of studies but I've seen hundreds of these women and it's very clear their psyches have taken a serious toll from mounds of casual sex. Afterwards, they are unable to love, they resent sex, suffer from 'alpha widow' syndrome, lose the ability to pair bond, develop enormous baggage from being played and discarded. You cannot meet these women and not notice it. This is in strong contrast to the women I know who are the same age and married early (~23/24) and have had a stable relationship. The thousand-cock stare, the increase in depression amongst 20-something and 30-something women, and the post-Carousel weight gain (often from depression) are very real symptoms of how they're handling their sex lives.

    Nothing in this world is free- not even the Cock Carousel. One shouldn't be bitter about it- I agree- or try to change the women involved. But to insinuate that women can simply jump off the Carousel into a loving marriage without consequences -- is simply not what I've seen firsthand.
    As I mentioned in the last post on this subject, "carouselers have no successful long-term strategy"; they are doomed to either being alone (which women hate) or cranky & miserable in marriage.

    A man can be happy being independent, plating different chicks, or marrying a non-carouseler. Lots of options.

    For a man, you need to know the cock count of your bride-to-be or GF. "THAT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS?", a twat squeals. Fuck off. If 78% of women with 10+ partners wont' be happy during marriage, Neither will You. It's fortunate that cock count is written all over a woman's personality- in her defensiveness, her shit-tests, in her trying to qualify you -- that you don't need to rely on her "honesty". What you can tell about this data, if a woman has a high cock count, she can only ever be a plate. (If a woman suddenly approaches you in her late 20s or 30s, and has lived on her own for some period of time, trying to pin you down, does not have several long-term LTRs, then she is almost assuredly a carouseler.)

    So I hope this corrects a misperception in the Red Pill world where some say that women can always recover from their slutty 20s by baiting a fool into marriage. Even Roosh wrote about this- that women never get their comeuppance. While true that some carouselers marry (although becoming less common by the day), that doesn't mean it will be a happy marriage. And by the evidence, more than 3 of 4 will not be happy. And now you know why all those soccer moms are forever scowling

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    And boom goes the dynamite. Enjoy the ride, ladies! You will at last pay your own debt.
    And when her lips so sweetly move
    The soul such height attain,
    You're free, yet would no longer rove
    But lay you down in chains.

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    As we say in England Land, 'Up to a point, Lord Cooper'.

    Yep, the longer she spends on the carousel, the more likely it is that she'll lock down a man who's sexier than Steve, richer than Rodger and funnier than Frank, but still be hacked off that he's doesn't have a social circle like Simon or brains like Brian. It's Frankenstein's Boyfriend.

    OTOH, no matter how bad it gets, when she pulls the big red handle, chances are she'll leave with most of the cash plus a lifetime annuity. Meanwhile , her victim gets his heart ripped out plus the whole 'Goodfellas' experience ('Fuck you, pay me').
    Feminists have to quote sometime in the 1950s as the Year Zero of female oppression. People would realise how nuts they are if they tried to claim being a housewife was worth than what guys were dealing with in 1942.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coastal View Post
    As we say in England Land, 'Up to a point, Lord Cooper'.

    Yep, the longer she spends on the carousel, the more likely it is that she'll lock down a man who's sexier than Steve, richer than Rodger and funnier than Frank, but still be hacked off that he's doesn't have a social circle like Simon or brains like Brian. It's Frankenstein's Boyfriend.

    OTOH, no matter how bad it gets, when she pulls the big red handle, chances are she'll leave with most of the cash plus a lifetime annuity. Meanwhile , her victim gets his heart ripped out plus the whole 'Goodfellas' experience ('Fuck you, pay me').
    Unless, of course, she doesn't get married - like the projected 35%+ of the millennial generation.

    Shit is coming unstuck and thanks (or, no thanks) to technology, it's snowballing in a big way.

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

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    I've got that joy joy joy joy down in my heart...

    Great post jagrmeister!!

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Also watch out for any women who refer to themselves as 'born again', that's often a different definition of carousel rider when a woman is in serious denial of her past. Maybe we should compile a list of carousel rider signs to look out for.
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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Also watch out for any women who refer to themselves as 'born again', that's often a different definition of carousel rider when a woman is in serious denial of her past. Maybe we should compile a list of carousel rider signs to look out for.
    Feel free to get a thread going on this. I think it's important. When I look back at my blue pill days I dated girls I met at bars/clubs, who would put out the first night, and unsurprisingly I ended up with girls who were totally unreliable (surprisingly, it was unexpected to me at the time). There are others I can think of- my favorite being overcompensation; ie: "NO GAMES! NO PLAYERS!" (ie: I've been fucked and chucked by the whole neighborhood). Or a chick that makes you wait more than 3 dates to hook up- total overcompensation. The Carouseler and Ex-Carouselers definitely have warning signs. For guys who are still interested in women, but want to avoid the batshit ones, a list would be useful.

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Also watch out for any women who refer to themselves as 'born again', that's often a different definition of carousel rider when a woman is in serious denial of her past. Maybe we should compile a list of carousel rider signs to look out for.
    Yeah, saying she's born again is a pretty solid giveaway. I was watching this documentary on life after porn, and about half the former porn stars on there identified themselves as "born again Christians."

    I mean, I can't blame them. Might as well try to salvage what's left of their lives.

    Also... "I have lots of love to give." That's comment is an immediate carousel rider giveaway

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    The original report can be found here. I'm assuming we will find the same data but the Daily Mail edited certain words and added a more sensetional or provocative title. Some say the Daily Mail made it more gender bias.
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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Or a chick that makes you wait more than 3 dates to hook up- total overcompensation. The Carouseler and Ex-Carouselers definitely have warning signs. For guys who are still interested in women, but want to avoid the batshit ones, a list would be useful.
    Oddly enough I used this tactic on THEM. Even back in the bluepill days, I used to have a personal rule of no sex with any woman that I didn't know for at least 6 weeks. Got me out of a few potential paternity suits and more than a few batshit crazy ladies.
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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Feel free to get a thread going on this. I think it's important. When I look back at my blue pill days I dated girls I met at bars/clubs, who would put out the first night, and unsurprisingly I ended up with girls who were totally unreliable (surprisingly, it was unexpected to me at the time). There are others I can think of- my favorite being overcompensation; ie: "NO GAMES! NO PLAYERS!" (ie: I've been fucked and chucked by the whole neighborhood). Or a chick that makes you wait more than 3 dates to hook up- total overcompensation. The Carouseler and Ex-Carouselers definitely have warning signs. For guys who are still interested in women, but want to avoid the batshit ones, a list would be useful.
    Hahaha, check this thread out, sounds like it was written by one of us, it certainly has the same title as an old thread you made once.

    Looks like you covered all of the points / warning signs already.

    Edit: Looks like a mirror or copy of your original thread from here. but the person changed some of the names and claimed it as thier own.
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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Hahaha, check this thread out, sounds like it was written by one of us, it certainly has the same title as an old thread you made once.

    Looks like you covered all of the points / warning signs already.

    Edit: Looks like a mirror or copy of your original thread from here. but the person changed some of the names and claimed it as thier own.

    Hahahahaha. This is awesome. Yeah, someone basically lifted my words and bunched together some different posts I made, but it pleases me greatly to see it get distributed in these different places. This is just one example of why the Red Pill is getting around; not to put emphasis on my write-ups, but just that the impact of these MGTOW forums/ROK, etc. goes well beyond our own readership. The mere fact that most people on that site agree with the post suggests that we are starting to live in a different era.

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

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    "I have lots of love to give." That's comment is an immediate carousel rider giveaway
    And it's one that annoys as well. By saying this, is she trying to convince her target, or herself, or both? Many have spent all this time focused solely on themselves, and now when they want a provider husband who will never measure up and give them the fairy tale they've been programmed to expect, they tell prospective 'dates' that 'they have lots of love to GIVE'. At what point has this person practiced 'giving' in a relationship? They haven't, and they don't even know how.

    She says she wants to give, but what she wants is for a man to give her what she says she is now ready for. "I have lots of love to give" is simply code for, "I am a taker and I expect you to give me whatever I want."

    How dare any man walk away from his traditional gender role. How dare any man become as selfish about his own life as most women are about theirs. That's the kicker and what what everyone is worried about but won't really put into words. If men become 'selfish' and place a higher importance on their own needs and wants before considering and opting in on the old 'traditional male gender role', things are going to continue to get much harder for women. Men doing what they did takes something away from them, so men becoming independent, and strong and empowered in misogyny when those that depend on men decide the (male) slaves (to the needs of 'society) don't have any other choices. ...but they do.

    Women have been walking away from their gender roles for decades and calling it overcoming oppression. Men decide to walk away, especially in today's environment, and they are maligned and criticized for being childish and selfish. Let me recap that. Women walking away from their gender roles overcomes 'oppression' and empowers them and makes them strong independent people. You go grrrl!

    Men walking away and making things better for themselves...
    they won't man up, or grow up.
    they're selfish and childish.
    they're hateful and misogynistic.

    See how that works? And that's no double standard because feminist tell us so.

    The system in place today depends on men adhering to and fulfilling outdated gender roles. That's why men are going to be continually criticized and derided. How dare a man choose to selfishly do what women did!. Women walked away from their roles, but men don;t get that choice. Except that men do that choice and they are making it more and more. These people worked really hard to make sure they had the system gamed and now men are fucking it all up. Men are 'taking away' from women because they are 'selfishy' choosing not to be good little provider peons.

    Women walked away and it was okay. Men are walking away and women scream because the system they had built for themselves still depends on men to feed it. Fish may not need bicycles, but the streams, creeks, ponds, lakes, rivers and seas those fish swim in apparently need bicycles dumped in on regularly to maintain their environment.

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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Inb4 this study is put down as anti-female and everyone who did it gets his character executed, just watch the shit show starting to happen.
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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    I had read that article the other day. It gave me the idea that women who have multiple partners before marriage are, intentionally or not, turning into shoppers such that they still wonder after marriage if they are done shopping.
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    Re: THE PROOF that female carouselers are not happy in marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Hahahahaha. This is awesome. Yeah, someone basically lifted my words and bunched together some different posts I made, but it pleases me greatly to see it get distributed in these different places. This is just one example of why the Red Pill is getting around; not to put emphasis on my write-ups, but just that the impact of these MGTOW forums/ROK, etc. goes well beyond our own readership. The mere fact that most people on that site agree with the post suggests that we are starting to live in a different era.
    Agreed. That website shows

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