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    8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-tech...uctive-success

    An analysis of modern DNA uncovers a rough dating scene after the advent of agriculture.

    Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same."It wasn't like there was a mass death of males. They were there, so what were they doing?" asks Melissa Wilson Sayres, a computational biologist at Arizona State University, and a member of a group of scientists who uncovered this moment in prehistory by analyzing modern genes.Another member of the research team, a biological anthropologist, hypothesizes that somehow, only a few men accumulated lots of wealth and power, leaving nothing for others. These men could then pass their wealth on to their sons, perpetuating this pattern of elitist reproductive success. Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again. "Maybe more and more people started being successful," Wilson Sayres says. In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man.

    Physically driven natural selection shaped many human traits. Ethnic Africans and Europeans had to evolve to digest milk, for example, while most ethnic Tibetans have adaptations to deal with the lower oxygen levels at high altitudes. But if Wilson Sayres' team's hypothesis is correct, it would be one of the first instances that scientists have found of culture affecting human evolution.The team uncovered this dip-and-rise in the male-to-female reproductive ratio by looking at DNA from more than 450 volunteers from seven world regions. Geneticists analyzed two parts of the DNA, Y-chromosome DNA and mitochondrial DNA. These don't make up a large portion of a person's genetics, but they're special because people inherit Y-chromosome DNA exclusively from their male ancestors and mitochondrial DNA exclusively from their female ancestors. By analyzing diversity in these parts, scientists are able to deduce the numbers of female and male ancestors a population has. It's always more female.

    "It wasn't like there was a mass death of males. They were there, so what were they doing?"

    So much for what our DNA can tell us. This study, published last week in the journal Genome Research, can't directly account for why the dip occurred. Instead, the team members tried to think through other explanations. "Like was there some sort of weird virus that only affected males across the whole globe, 8,000 years ago?" Wilson Sayres asks—a hypothesis the team found unlikely.To further test the wealth-and-power idea, the researchers plan to look for other genetic markers that would indicate that something cultural, not physical, kept those early male farmersfrom reproducing. Team members could also collaborate with anthropologists and archaeologists, to see if they have any clues.Nature is a harsh taskmaster, but so, it seems, is human culture. Although the popular notion is that farming and settlement cushioned people against "survival of the fittest," this study shows that's not true. Something cultural happened 8,000 years ago that's marked us even today.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Fascinating read. It just reinforces the reality that women will choose sharing one high-status man over maintaining a monogamous relationship with a lower status man. Either that, or the higher status men banded together and killed off all the other men.

    In any case, I'm glad I wasn't born back then.
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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post

    In any case, I'm glad I wasn't born back then.
    The game isnt any different today.

    Out of twenty guys, maybe one or two is getting any at all. You can rest assured its not the married-coupled guys getting some.One prime guy is getting laid,knocking up the others, while "their" women are lying about the origins of the kids.

    From my military days, I know concretely of two couples where cuckolding happened. I know because I was the one both women wanted to cuckold their main man with. I went "Fuck That Noise" , so the women fucked other guys to achieve the same end.

    From the girl's view, she loses nothing.Either she cons the beta and makes out with both the money and the prime genetic stock, or the beta balks and she tags the alpha with the bill.He walks, she goes to the government.

    One major reason I dont join social groups like I used to, is women in the group would start scheming to run the cuckolding con with me as the designated fertilizer-the other guys, MY friends, being totally unaware.Id have to bail before the inevitable shit hit the fan .

    Its the oldest con in the book. Id wager in modern times the number of men reproducing is dropping like a rock with the rise of the Matriarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newtons3rdLaw View Post
    "Like was there some sort of weird virus that only affected males across the whole globe, 8,000 years ago?" Wilson Sayres asks—a hypothesis the team found unlikely.
    ...ha. HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! You know what? That doesn't cut it. Just a sec!



    Oh, man. I needed that. Thank you, Wilson Sayres. A virus that only attacks the Y chromosome. That's rich. Why did I and a whole host of other people just laugh at that comment? Because if you took a moment and looked around at the world as it is today, you might come across the rather interesting hypothesis that I and like-minded individuals have come up with.

    TN Man “Fathers” 30 Kids But Can’t Support Any | WREG.com

    Still happening, guy.

    Memphis Man Owes Child Support to 15 Women; Has 20+ Kids | WREG.com

    Oh, shit, look at that! Another case.

    Orlando Shaw, Nashville Father With 22 Children By 14 Women, Sued For Unpaid Child Support (VIDEO)

    And another...

    White Reference: Three Tennessee Men Who Have Fathered 81 Children By 46 Women And Are Not Paying Child Support; What Do They Have In Common?

    And a three for one! Impressive. That one actually includes my first example, but the other two with him have 31 children between them. As you can see, Mr. Sayres, these men are hardly upstanding pillars of the community. They don't have a whole lot of wealth or power. Women, when left to their own devices and without a strict code of conduct imposed upon them, will royally fuck shit up for everyone else. There was no cataclysmic event, no male-only virus and probably not anything like the affectionately-named 'alphas' rounding up all the betas and executing them.

    The average guy was probably just jaded after a while. I mean, would YOU want any of these women when you found out she fucked a guy with 20 other children and got knocked up by him to boot? They most likely figured: 'Eh, dying alone and with my dignity isn't so bad. At least I didn't kiss any of those cum dumpsters walking around out there.' And guess what, Mr. Sayres - can I call you Wilson? It's happening again. You'll have a front row seat this time.

    Let the madness take you. Say it with me now: we eat the pig and together we burn! Come with us MGTOW, Wilson. We have beer.

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    Women want goodies from "right" men just like men want to win all the time . There is nothing you can do , there is nothing to see , go home .

    PS. Nature can give you something good , the talent , but only practice can make it perfect . I can bullshit a straight 10 i want for years ...until she loves me . She would never even look at me normally so i have to crease my web like a spider and wait , i dont wanna hurt her but im hungry , i want her juice and i promise i will let her go maybe .

    You made me so and now you never know whether im telling the truth or just trying to live , work on myself and be happy ... babe .
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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Newtons3rdLaw View Post
    "It wasn't like there was a mass death of males. They were there, so what were they doing?"
    They couldn't get laid because they were slaves, or peasant-level agricultural workers.

    Duh.

    Slavery (in it's various guises) is a universal fact of civilisation prior to frame mechanisation and household electrification. Every culture had a class of slaves or drudges. Yes, it totally took 9 men to grow enough food for 10, back before modern strains of wheat. Those 9 men didn't get laid. The boss man did.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Yes, it totally took 9 men to grow enough food for 10, back before modern strains of wheat. Those 9 men didn't get laid. The boss man did.

    Or The Boss Man "accidentally" raised his hunkiest employee's kids.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    it definitely explains where this "patriarchy" fable comes from.

    there was a short time where it was understood that men needed to be kept on the plantation. obviously, paying them the share they earned was never going to happen, and listening to their art, music, poetry, writing, or ideas about mechanization or modernization was out of the question.

    but women are plentiful and utterly useless. they did as they were told.

    then some idiot came along and told the women they were free from their responsibilities, while men were not.
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    As the DNA shows that a few males were the father it must have been the alphas, the most dominate males of each area that had all the women.

    It just reinforces the reality that women will choose sharing one high-status man over maintaining a monogamous relationship with a lower status man. Either that, or the higher status men banded together and killed off all the other men.
    I agree that females would rather go with the high status males rather than the drones, however if a drone took a woman then the punishment was likley servere..I don't think the drones were expendable as the size of the tribe is power. However the higher ranked males would have majority of the spoils. The lower rank the protection of the group.

    it's very interesting knowing a women's true nature and combining with this DNA insight. The question remains that if society continues to polarise between rich and poor, and with women's hypergamy ruling out the lower tier men. Will we or are we returning to this state of affairs?
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    We are already there as a human society because women perceive injustice everywhere when the average female is compared to an apex, top 1% man, thus the apex fallacy. What this shows is that genetic variation is more likely to happen when males are not competing with one another but driving for success on their own terms. Competition can be good but in this example it is the competition that caused the lopsided distribution of resources and genetic variation. And we haven't even discussed warfare but that is self explanatory.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    "The evolution of monogamy in response to partner scarcity"
    Ryan Schacht & Adrian V. Bell
    Scientific Reports 6, Article number: 32472 (2016)
    doi:10.1038/srep32472

    http://www.nature.com/articles/srep32472

    The evolution of monogamy in humans is commonly argued to have been driven by the need for paternal investment ...

    Long-standing claims in the literature argue that during human evolution the increased need for paternal investment created selective pressure for long-term pair bonds and a sexual division of labor. However, growing evidence suggests that paternal care evolves only after monogamy becomes established in a population. Because male investment likely would have resulted in male absence (e.g., through resource provisioning), caring males would have faced potential fitness costs due to freerider males that ‘steal’ paternity. Specifically, males that do not care benefit directly from cuckolded caring males’ investments in offspring that are not theirs. As a consequence, assumptions of paternal care driving monogamy are likely overly simplistic. ...
    ~Pair-bonding (I mean 'love') is mate-guarding.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Quote Originally Posted by wool.wizard View Post
    "The evolution of monogamy in response to partner scarcity"
    Ryan Schacht & Adrian V. Bell
    Scientific Reports 6, Article number: 32472 (2016)
    doi:10.1038/srep32472

    http://www.nature.com/articles/srep32472



    ~Pair-bonding (I mean 'love') is mate-guarding.
    Its exactly how i call it .

    I tell her i guard you . And it makes her panties soaking wet .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Its exactly how i call it .

    I tell her i guard you . And it makes her panties soaking wet .

    ( Money is the power but ..power beats the money )
    You know , in early tribal life , hunter gatherer ...For a woman to be guarded was the most important thing and not because of rape ...LOL everybody was starving for the most part of the year and sex was the last thing on their mind . Only in late spring they would get more to eat and thats when they would fuck . ( You cant catch an adult animal or a bird but you can hunt their young or the eggs . And fish of course )

    To hunt is the hardest so unguarded females would be eaten first .
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    It seems to me that back then society was gynocentric as well as today. Certain men were allowed to breed and the rest were slaves, most likely unic slaves to prevent them from reproducing. Do you ever feel that maybe that is where there is all heading, outright slavery of men? It could be potentially orchestrated after a societal collapse.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Quote Originally Posted by hindimjr View Post
    It seems to me that back then society was gynocentric as well as today. Certain men were allowed to breed and the rest were slaves, most likely unic slaves to prevent them from reproducing. Do you ever feel that maybe that is where there is all heading, outright slavery of men? It could be potentially orchestrated after a societal collapse.
    Unic's might be rare, but we still got economic slavery. You just don't see it cause the chain's are invisible. That, and they whip you with the court's instead of the lash. OK, being an economic slave is doubtless a thousand times better than a real slave. But your still being taken advantage of with little chance of escape.

    As long as the system hold's, we're right where your talking about already. Or close enough to not matter. But when everybody's on their own, neither these honey's or their men are likely to have much of a future.

    Until civilization tank's, life for Chad and his honey's won't change much. After that, they won't last long.
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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Quote Originally Posted by hindimjr View Post
    It seems to me that back then society was gynocentric as well as today. Certain men were allowed to breed and the rest were slaves, most likely unic slaves to prevent them from reproducing. Do you ever feel that maybe that is where there is all heading, outright slavery of men? It could be potentially orchestrated after a societal collapse.
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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    these narrow parameters in female Tinder usage agree with the past evidence of female mating preferences.

    Why Tinder Is So 'Evilly Satisfying' By Jeanette Purvis, University of Hawaii
    http://www.livescience.com/57850-why...atisfying.html

    Specifically, Tinder may be causing what researchers call "a feedback loop," in which men use less strict criteria for finding a mate by serially swiping, and women use more discerning criteria in response to the deluge of matches.
    the female mating preference during peak fertility agree with a highly selective biological desire.

    Booty Call: How to Spot a Fertile Woman
    http://www.livescience.com/10828-boo...ile-woman.html

    Multiple studies have found that women go for more masculine-looking men when they're ovulating. According to a 2008 review of research by Gangestad and his colleagues published in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B, some of the masculine traits fertile women prefer are strong-jawed faces, muscular bodies, dominant behaviors, deep voices and tallness.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Bolde.com "My Fiance Wants To Try A Threesome And I'm Going For It"

    https://anonym.to/?http://www.bolde....-going-for-it/

    MEN WILL ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IT. Whether they admit it or not, they’ll always fantasize about having two women at once. Sure, they can hide it from you, but you can’t pretend that it never goes through their minds. Evolutionary psychologists will tell you that men’s desire to have multiple sex partners is inherited from our hunter-gatherer ancestors who wanted to increase the likelihood of having children. Having multiple partners is actually more “natural” than having only one.
    "Women are promiscuous, naturally: Scientists now believe infidelity is a genetic mechanism for creation of healthy children"

    https://anonym.to/?https://www.thegu...ne.theobserver

    One study followed couples waiting for NHS fertility treatment, where the men were 'azoospermic', meaning they produced no sperm and were totally infertile. The researchers found that 25 per cent of the women became pregnant before fertility treatment started.

    Promiscuity is also suggested by the 'good gene' theory, as exhibited by the great reed warbler. The female warbler may nest with a male with a small song repertoire, but she will seek 'extra-pair copulation' with males with big song repertoires, which tend to live longer. This way she gets the best offspring and they are looked after.
    I agree with this idea. Promiscuity during fertility uses the beta male to raise children. The woman will have sex with alpha males to have his better DNA. Seaman remains alive for up to 5 days.

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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    Quote Originally Posted by wool.wizard View Post
    Bolde.com "My Fiance Wants To Try A Threesome And I'm Going For It"

    https://anonym.to/?http://www.bolde....-going-for-it/
    What I say next is not a rebuttal of anything you said, wool wizard, but personally, I don't believe her, that she is psychologically competent for what she is seeking. And that's assuming she is sincere here, which itself is a major assumption in this world of clickbait.

    Look how she itemizes, for crying out loud. What's her motivation to explain online? What weak reasons they are. I've watched too many women test their holistic bullshit line of reasoning on people, laying it out to see how well they can present a case, then fall under the spell of their own words, just to be sorry later. Kinda reminds me of a line from the song Simply Irresistible by Robert Palmer, slightly modified here:

    He's so fine, there's no other way to go.


    Palmer sang about his self-hypnosis and this lady writes about hers. She says she is confident but I see anything but confidence. It's like she is trying to convince herself by writing this. There are red flags everywhere. To an extent, I've always believed that the more a woman has to explain, the more she is trying to sell some bull. Especially when she tries to make a tidy case out of it.

    This lady is fucking stupid. Train wreck ahead.


    EDIT: Am I inappropriately off-topic here? Mods, I'll delete this if you think so.
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    Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

    I was thinking about other Posters on GYOW who speculate women will condone polygamy according to future conditions of male availability, particularly with female sex robots, legal prostitution, and the decline of populations and births. I don't know how females think about sharing a guy, but anthropology class says polygyny is maybe 95-99% of all polygamous relationships. Polyandry is about less than 5% of world-wide polygamous relationships. I believe 50-100 years of feminism has not increased polyandry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Look how she itemizes, for crying out loud. What's her motivation to explain online? What weak reasons they are. I've watched too many women test their holistic bullshit line of reasoning on people, laying it out to see how well they can present a case, then fall under the spell of their own words, just to be sorry later. Kinda reminds me of a line from the song Simply Irresistible by Robert Palmer, slightly modified here:

    He's so fine, there's no other way to go.
    I agree. Possibly a woman would use an excuse or "reasoning" to benefit her relationship with a higher SMV guy. Using knowledge of inheritable male hormones affecting physical and psychological traits, this sexual marketplace would have predictable results. A lack of beta male 'nice guys' to raise children, and a lack of fathers would produce highly attractive, high SMV 'bad boys'.

    edit:

    Acceptance of Polygamy Is at a Record High, and TV Might Explain Why
    'Sister Wives' could be tied to why more people are OK with a multiple-spouse lifestyle.

    https://anonym.to/?https://www.usnew...ht-explain-why

    in the U.S., with 17 percent of people saying the practice is "morally acceptable."
    ...
    Polygamy, in fact, is illegal in all 50 states.
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