Thread: Sex dolls is WHERE MGTOW JUMPS THE SHARK

I like the VoiceOfReason. That's the channel for the moderator, SirReaper.

Anyways, I saw a post where someone talks about sex dolls again and I've had it. It was on a recent video on his channel.

One TOO MANY times I've heard about the sex doll suggestion. When I dare speak out against it, I've gotten this absurd shaming about it, basically implying that I must be an OFFENDED FEMINIST.

Nothing coud be further from the truth. Actually I think it's the other way around. More like you're a feminist trying to shitstain MGTOW here.

Well, you win! Not because your sex doll love or so-called sex doll love. But because the other men didn't speak out here or there, and just allowed this to happen.

Saying I am an offended feminist of things?!

I dare say it's the other way around. It's like you're trying to suggest that guys who would buy into the philosophy are SUCH LOSERS THAT THEY COULD ONLY fuck an unbreathing doll AT BEST instead of a real woman.

I'm not buying it. Because even a loser like me can get laid.

That post made on his channel is ONE TOO MANY TIMES of sex doll suggestions. NOW I AM OUTTA HERE.

Nope! I can do better than that. Even a broke-ass mediocre looking guy like me can get real women. (So it takes meth to make 'em take down their pants here and there. I only do that shit twice per month, so sue me!)

Now I give up on MGTOW. For it looks to be the controlled opposition I thought it would inevitably become.

Take your version of Purple Female Armpit Hair For Men and shove it up your ass.

I can bang real women. Even me!

One bad apple spoils the bunch. Most of you here are good. But I was only one who spoke out against the sex dolls aside from a forum member named MGTOWforever basically. (That WAS a cringe worthy FAILURE of the rest of this forum!)

You fasely make ALL OF US us look like a bunch of perpetually layess losers.

Because of that, I refuse to MGTOW Forever, or at all anymore. Have fun with your controlled opposition. I'm out!

Sorry to see you go, Ace. Would it make you feel better if I change my signature? LOL

Position or opposition ... if it has rules/owners/admins it is controlled .

But there is one good rule in this control - women are not allowed to join .

The sexdolls discussion is full of issues.

Con : one would say that it reinforces the dependency of the female form.

Pro : one would reply this dependency is psychologically and physiologically ingrained already, and as such sexdoll only express it in a safe way.

Con : sexdolls are a weak substitute for women, they have no emotions, will or move at all!

Pro : while that is a weakness on general, it is also a benefit in particular areas. When their emotions take you on useless rollercoaster rides, and their will is to manipulate you for resources and services.

Con : one can say it is a pathetic replacement for women, and "having a real women" has more "value".

Pro : that is what a gynocentric society believes, because a man is defined by the "quality" of a woman that he can "get". Yet getting beyond this fake societal validation is freedom to achieve real values for ourselves.

Originally Posted by Ace Francis

One TOO MANY times I've heard about the sex doll suggestion. When I dare speak out against it, I've gotten this absurd shaming about it, basically implying that I must be an OFFENDED FEMINIST. Nothing coud be further from the truth. Actually I think it's the other way around. More like you're a feminist trying to shitstain MGTOW here.

Dude, chill. The sex doll thing can be an outlet for guys who have sexual impulses they need to vent, but it's not for everyone. And that's fine. I'm not sure exactly how you spoke out against it, but if it's along the lines of "you do you, but this isn't working for me" then there's no reason you should have been attacked for it.
If however you went with the "real men fuck real women" PUA narrative, then yea, you receive the same response to shaming language anyone will get. MGTOW do not get to tell eachother what is or isn't an acceptable way to live your life. That's easy to forget sometimes...

I dare say it's the other way around. It's like you're trying to suggest that guys who would buy into the philosophy are SUCH LOSERS THAT THEY COULD ONLY fuck an unbreathing doll AT BEST instead of a real woman.
I'm not buying it. Because even a loser like me can get laid.

You seem to be struggling with the concept of voluntary celibacy. There is a difference between not being able to get laid, and not wanting the hassle of a woman in your life.

Nope! I can do better than that. Even a broke-ass mediocre looking guy like me can get real women. (So it takes meth to make 'em take down their pants here and there. I only do that shit twice per month, so sue me!)
Now I give up on MGTOW. For it looks to be the controlled opposition I thought it would inevitably become.

Well, "better" is subjective. You do you. Personally, if I have to stoop to lasses who have a chemical addiction in order to "get some", I'd not even be able to get it up. Individual freedom is a big thing for me, one of the things that drove me to MGTOW. These crack whores are slaves to their addiction.

Take your version of Purple Female Armpit Hair For Men and shove it up your ass.

Well, you're certainly triggered like one, I'll give you that...

Anyway, MGTOW ain't a jail. If you want to try something else, have at it. Good luck.

After watching that last thread and seeing that the last thread had so many more replies and total views than any other thread that has been created around a similar time frame on this ENTIRE forum is pretty telling.
What we can conclude from this information is up in the air...
maybe incels?
maybe men just want a viable alternative to women?
maybe companionship?
maybe want a new form of sexual release?
maybe all of the above?

But, the gravitation of MGTOW toward this topic and having its discussion be such a powerful talking point that it overpowers any other conversation that we can have, while at the same time, creating discord in the community is absolutely terrible.

WTF?

The problem with sex dolls that it is promised that they can replicate the most beautiful women that ever walked this planet . Because nobody dreams about plain Jane .

And even mimic women below age of consent . Those of course will be best sellers .

It of course will bore you a week in like porn does . But its even better for business .

Someone will make a nice fortune out of it .

But you have to understand boys will be boys and they will be embarrassed about it same as they are embarrassed to admit that they wank . In real life that is . They will fight you if you said that they wank .

While even lame women go shopping for dildos with their besties .

Thats why men are doomed to lose every fucking time .

At this particular stage of development, we're at the point of robot sex, or maybe slightly beyond if you include the imagination factor, which of course will vary by owner.

However, as I've said before, these things are going to become way, way more than just sex partners. They're going to be daily companions. As they advance in, shall we say, "companionship abilities" such as talking, hand-holding, cuddling, understanding the owner, and being able to listen and respond with intelligence and compassion, the individual needs they're capable of satisfying will run far deeper and extend into far more-meaningful areas than they do now. When that becomes possible, emotional bonds to the machines will develop.

I'd wager that if a survey were done regarding what people were really and truly looking for in a life partner, and if people answered with total honesty, a safe, intimate emotional bond that could be trusted for the long term -- with no fear ever of rejection for one's own occasional personal failings, but receiving good, clean, limitless forgiveness instead -- would be at or near the top of each person's list.

Now... Put a pretty face and a cute anatomy over that, and you've got a winner.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/robot-...ne-conclusion/

The blue pill world thinks we are all basement dwelling losers anyway. Rather we like dolls or not, that won't change. As far as what you want to do with your money, it's none a my business.

I wondered what the attraction was at first. But after reading you younger guys stuff, it looks like your thinking ahead to where they'll do more than be an inanimate doll.

Ace,

Don't go. Many topics are discussed here and there is no reason to throw a fit. I admit I find the whole sex doll thing totally insane. I mean voting sex dolls? C'mon really? But I am not going to leave the forum over it. I will speak my opinion on it just like you stated I did. As you guys know I am far from PC. Im not going against forum rules but I'd rather have any member say "MGTOWFOREVER you are a total fucking asshole" without worrying about getting banned or an infraction. One thing I do love about this forum is its willingness to let things go to a point. A lot of forums you have to walk around on egg shells and if you don't agree with a mod/admin than you get booted.

Ace, I remember (I think it was you) that was banned and when you came back asking for your old account back we all had to take a vote. I stood up for you. I NEVER EVER WANT TO SEE ANY LONG TERM MEMBER GO! People that join here and don't follow the rules and/or post an intro...Fuck em. Get the ban hammer. But people like you shouldn't leave over such a stupid topic.

Originally Posted by Manfred

The sexdolls discussion is full of issues.

Con : one would say that it reinforces the dependency of the female form.

Pro : one would reply this dependency is psychologically and physiologically ingrained already, and as such sexdoll only express it in a safe way.

Con : sexdolls are a weak substitute for women, they have no emotions, will or move at all!

Pro : while that is a weakness on general, it is also a benefit in particular areas. When their emotions take you on useless rollercoaster rides, and their will is to manipulate you for resources and services.

Con : one can say it is a pathetic replacement for women, and "having a real women" has more "value".

Pro : that is what a gynocentric society believes, because a man is defined by the "quality" of a woman that he can "get". Yet getting beyond this fake societal validation is freedom to achieve real values for ourselves.

Sex dolls are insane. It means you(I say you as in men in general) still give pussy value in your life. After all the shit I've been through with women, I don't give a fuck if I ever get laid again. Even women that were supposed to help me as in medical professionals have fucked me over. One of the reasons why I went MGTOW was because I thought it was because of how I live. Independent, no tuna dragging me down, and living on my own terms. But it seems there is many definitions. All I can do is speak for myself and I will say I am MUCH MUCH MORE HAPPIER than I ever was with a woman.

Originally Posted by frog

I wondered what the attraction was at first. But after reading you younger guys stuff, it looks like your thinking ahead to where they'll do more than be an inanimate doll.

Frog, you nailed it, man. That's exactly the point.

Originally Posted by frog

The blue pill world thinks we are all basement dwelling losers anyway. Rather we like dolls or not, that won't change. As far as what you want to do with your money, it's none a my business.

I wondered what the attraction was at first. But after reading you younger guys stuff, it looks like your thinking ahead to where they'll do more than be an inanimate doll.

Originally Posted by kru-kut

Frog, you nailed it, man. That's exactly the point.

Why not an apple pie? It's cheaper! I really see Ace's point.

Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER

Ace, I remember (I think it was you) that was banned and when you came back asking for your old account back we all had to take a vote. I stood up for you. I NEVER EVER WANT TO SEE ANY LONG TERM MEMBER GO! People that join here and don't follow the rules and/or post an intro...Fuck em. Get the ban hammer. But people like you shouldn't leave over such a stupid topic.

Ace,

May I ask you to consider delaying the taking of any permanent action? Here's why.

Do you remember how practically the entire nation was up in arms over the burning of the American flag? Geez, the passion. All over the news. People getting very polarized. Name-calling back and forth.

Where's this, ahem, burning issue nowadays? You don't hear about it. I think the MSM even trotted out the issue a second time and got America all up in arms about it all over again, but nowadays... crickets.

Recently, young people were freaking out over the Confederate statues. Pulling them down illegally, all over the news. Racist, slavery, etc etc. Polarized opinions. A story on 60 Minutes. Last week I was reading my December 2018 issue of Smithsonian magazine which had an article about the southern legacy and stated how the issue about the statues will never go away.

Really, Smithsonian? I haven't heard jackshit lately. December was only two months ago.

You can probably think of other and better examples of issues that came and went without resolution or had little meaning beyond the fighting. Humans are so easy to get riled up. You and I don't have to be two of them. The doll thread you referenced appeared one day when it was not there the prior day. That's all it took? It will take its eventual place among the old threads here that Eiji will eventually resurrect. (Hi, Eiji! LOL).

The burst of energy on this will pass because even doll proponents will run out of things to say and any redundancy in their posts will bring a lesser return than before from others here, causing only the giddy guys to be left in the thread. Then a new thread will happen when something new occurs. Or, I could be wrong.

But, I think I've got a point about the cyclical nature of the human attention span. You're catching it at an up-cycle. Ride it out.

Well ACE, this is how I see it.

To me, it's about (and always will be about) personal choice. Maybe it's a simple matter of discussing personal masturbation habits is not all that great of an idea for any forum except one called "personal masturbation habits". Myself, I'm not into sex dolls and my sex drive is almost completely dead, and I "take care of the odd itch" every other week because, well, that's what a lot of single men have done since the dawn of time. Do I even want to talk about what methods or devices I use to get this job done? Not any more than the brand of thermos I use to take my coffee to work in. Really, what did men DO before the internet? Before the pin-up calendar? Before the TV set start showing images of long-legged chorus line dancers.

I think this will always be a divisive issue because this too much parallels the infighting between 'progressive sex positive' and prohibitionist feminists specifically regarding sex, prostitution, pornography and now sex dolls. It's a fight we should not be a part of, because when we do, we're immersing ourselves in the filth of female-led social constructionist gender politics. As MGTOW, if we're true to our word of encouraging individual men to go their own (individual) way, then masturbation practices are a matter of personal choice. The trouble starts with sex doll advocates and sex doll detractors arguing about what is MGTOW and what isn't. We're not organized, and we're not centralized, and we don't have a head office like some 12-step program that votes on what "approved MGTOW material is".

Personally, I really don't care how a man get his needs met (or dispensed with). I don't care why he wants (or feels he needs) a greater physical and visual representation of a more complete female physical form. You could consider it a female privilege that all a woman needs to get her pseudo-sexual needs met is a cucumber and her imagination. Her man, like everything else in her life, is a mental construct that she can have feelings about. We know to women, a man is just an idea. The only thing real about her perfect man is his dick, his abs and his bank account and what it can buy.

I will look over the "spat" and make an informed assessment of the situation, for myself.

I say "Fuck a doll, or don't fuck a doll" but nobody should be making MGTOW about fucking a doll or, conversely, about not fucking dolls.

The better question to ask is this:

Why is it okay for women to fantasize about anonymous sex partners using books and dildos but it's not okay for a man to watch a porn video, or pay for sex with a willing sex provider, or fuck a rubber doll instead of a rubber dildo? Why is a flesh light okay (because it's essentially an inverted dildo) but building up the rest of the female form in latex around that latex orifice... that becomes disgusting, why? Here is my answer:

SHAME

I would wager that most of the men here who support sex dolls do so NOT because they can't get a flesh and blood whimyn, but because the DON'T want to.

Here is a simple test. In a modern male/female relationship, what would it take to replace each partner? For whimyn, a fucking piece of plastic that just lays there. And that offers the benefits of peace and quiet over a real one. Now show me a fucking doll that earns its own paycheck that it can hand over to cupcake, that has it own house that cupcake can live in, and that takes care of cupcakes possessions.

For the record, I am not interested in a sex doll, mainly because, like a whimyn, I do not believe them to be worth the hassle. However, I do enjoy the implications of the sex dolls: it highlights the limited value modern whimyn bring to relationships and the growing number of alternatives.

But, if you decide to go, I understand and wish you well.

I'm mostly with Ace and MGTOWFOREVER when it comes to dolls and robotic women. I'd leave e'm on the shelf if they went on sale tomorrow. But that don't mean their bad for everybody.


The only mechanical woman I ever liked was that little jap hologram with no pants that hooked up to your computer and pretended to be your girlfriend. They were in the news a few years ago, but I have heard nothing since. Probably too expensive, they were a hundred times more than a computer helper without the hologram.

Originally Posted by Boar

I would wager that most of the men here who support sex dolls do so NOT because they can't get a flesh and blood whimyn, but because the DON'T want to.

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I don't even have a fleshlight or other toys let alone a doll or sexbot. Technology and toys of various kinds in general will always interest men, whether it's a remote control car, a motorbike or something sexual. That said a Sexbot doesn't have to be used primarily for sex.

I think one of the main reasons it continues to be a subject on MGTOW sites is because we all get a chuckle out of the possibility of women being replaced.

I used to visit whores a lot when I wanted sex or some physical contact. I ended up stopping though because even the attitude, quality and service of the whores was dropping big time. I felt like I was being disappointed and wasting my money. Would I buy a Sexbot and I think we need to make a distinction between the blow up sex dolls that have been around for ages and these new Sexbots which I think is what we are talking about here.

Anyway, would I buy one? Most likely not, however just as I bought exercise equipment in the past to avoid paying exorbitant gym membership fees, a sexbot would also pay itself off over time depending on the man's sexual habits and interests.

TL;DR, each to their own. Sexbots are an extension of porn.