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    How many of us are military veterans?

    Every few months, someone will bring up issues of war or the military.

    These threads are very hard for me to read, because most of them seem as if they were written by Mongolian yogurt barons trying to outline the cultural significance of 1980s rap music, watching a high school on a Navajo reservation put on a production of "Fiddler on the Roof," listening 11 year old virgins trying to describe the last orgy they were at, or fish trying to describe what birds are like.

    Do we have a mechanism to take a poll? If we do, I'd like to find out how many of us have served. If not, we can just chime in on this thread.

    Now, for the purpose of this, let's be precise on the meaning of veteran. If you are currently enlisted or commissioned, or honorably* served a tour of duty, peace time or wartime, in an army, navy, air force, naval infantry, coast guard, or paramilitary gendarme subject to military discipline or court martial for infractions, we'll count that. Civil Air Patrol...not so much.

    If you served at least six months, but then were medically retired or discharged, we'll count that. If you were dropped from boot camp in less than a month....CSB (cool story, bro.)

    If you were some kind of high school or college cadet, but did not join upon graduation, no.

    You had to have been a deployable asset.

    *In the US, we have five flavors of discharges. Seems some special snowflake with congressional connections got a Dishonorable Discharge. He argued it that "it was just a *little* felony," and that he should have gotten something in between, so in addition to the Honorable and Dishonorable Discharges, congress created the General Discharge, the Other Than Honorable Discharge, and the Bad Conduct Discharge.

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Last of the draftee's here, and you can bet my Discharge is good! Did I ever hate it. But only because it was impossible to be treated fairly in that place and time. In truth the Army was in shambles then, good and sane people were leaving wholesale. But I did my two year's. I was a peacetime soldier, but that was just luck of the draw.

    Funny thing is, both the best and worst part's of my character and personality came from those days. Nobody gave a damn either, when it was over. Least not back then.
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

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    Last of the draftee's here, and you can bet my Discharge is good! I was a peacetime soldier, but that was just luck of the draw.
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    So, you were drafted in '73? For me, that era fascinates me. Draftees in an army that is not at war, but so different from the 50s or early 60s army.

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    I am currently serving, was active Army, now reserves, kind of worried about the possible war deployment if a certain female gets elected to a certain position...
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Not a veteran, sorry!

    Cool idea for a thread, and yes you can do polls.

    I won't stop anyone else from posting in here though - hope you understand.

    Everybody stick to the principles and it should all be good.

    EDIT - I don't mean to speak for the man, but Chairborne might miss this because he's on deployment. Worth adding his name to the roster.
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    So, you were drafted in '73? For me, that era fascinates me. Draftees in an army that is not at war, but so different from the 50s or early 60s army.
    Picked up near the end of 1971. Far as I know that was the last active draft, since Viet Nam was winding down.

    Once you were in, it didn't matter how you got there. Draftee and volunteer alike cleaned the latrine's, peeled the spud's, and guarded the ammo dump.

    No one ever called me a baby killer, but damn few ever said thanks either. Not till the last few years.
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Slightly off topic but related to the military: I found this librivox recording of "On War" by Carl von Clausewitz. You can download it here https://librivox.org/on-war-by-carl-von-clausewitz/
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harleys&Beer View Post
    I am currently serving, was active Army, now reserves, kind of worried about the possible war deployment if a certain female gets elected to a certain position...
    She won't give a damn about you. She'll gladly send you to your death and not blink. Benghazi.

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Sam, ​count me in i went to a Vet school
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harleys&Beer View Post
    I am currently serving, was active Army, now reserves, kind of worried about the possible war deployment if a certain female gets elected to a certain position...
    What's your MOS?

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    Not a veteran, sorry!

    Cool idea for a thread, and yes you can do polls.
    Instructions, please.

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Picked up near the end of 1971. Far as I know that was the last active draft, since Viet Nam was winding down.

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    What was your draft lottery number? I heard that by '71-'72 you needed a really low number to get called up. The last troops were out of 'Nam by fall of '73.

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    What was your draft lottery number? I heard that by '71-'72 you needed a really low number to get called up. The last troops were out of 'Nam by fall of '73.
    Right you are. Story I got, they threw the ping pong balls in without mixing them up, and my birthday came out number 9. Since anyone below sixty was gone, my future was set.

    Four guy's from my AIT company went to Nam. Alphabetically, they were the first guy on the list, the last one, and the two in the middle. Some coincidence eh?
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Right you are. Story I got, they threw the ping pong balls in without mixing them up, and my birthday came out number 9. Since anyone below sixty was gone, my future was set.

    Four guy's from my AIT company went to Nam. Alphabetically, they were the first guy on the list, the last one, and the two in the middle. Some coincidence eh?
    What was your MOS? At that point in the war, what Military Occupational Specialties did they need over there?

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    31B, Military Police

    I wanted to be a Helo pilot, and I could have gone straight into doing that as I got a 97 on my asvab but my recruiter fucked me, hard. The officers at MEPS said I could be an MP driving a cop car and learning applicable skills for civilian life, 81M Truck driver getting my ass blown up, or Psyops handing out pamphlets and getting shot.

    Now I'm broken (because of the Army) and I couldn't get through WOCS or the mos training, even if I could get the slot, to do that now...

    Pisses me off something fierce cause I should have been able to do what I wanted but that opportunity has come and gone.
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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Well .. draftee here with 9months of duty, 1 month of it was actually real deployment including carrying loaded life-ammo n`stuff along the border to the south.

    Air-defense ... we had all the shiny things you can imagine, from launchers and armored troop carriers to Thompson radar trucks and all the "back-office" of trucks and cars to supply the launcher troops.

    One of the newest units with the most advanced weapons at that time.

    On the other hand we were definitely the unit with the oldest soldiers (avg. 20 - 30, mostly people that had finished technical universities) and an almost 1:1 ratio between officers and troops.

    How I got there (basically I am an electrician) .. no idea but I heard my test-results were pretty good.

    More of a "brainy" unit than a "sporty" unit, we had it pretty good regarding physical training and exhaustion compared to the guys who got pioneers or armored infantry in the buildings next to us.
    Those really got fucked for 9 months straight.

    Basics still sucked balls and our officers were deeply in love with the whistling-signal ammo (= ABC alert) at any time and in any weather
    Let us say .. we all developed close relationships with our masks.

    After basics and being the handy man that I am I was basically the helping hand where a man was needed.

    So I ended up not only being able to haul and launch stuff, but also licensed to drive around in various vehicles and stuff.

    2 months before the end me and 8 other guys in my troop won an country-wide 30km / 2day march with various testing stations for our company and even beat troops that had trained for that event for weeks even though we got really baked at the campfire in the first evening.

    After that and our win nobody ever considered (and which made our officers pretty proud) the last 2 months were actually pretty great.

    If it were not for the shoddy money they pay I would have considered staying in the military, but I made double the money a month already in my field.

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Did the 9 months include basic training? How do they get anyone trained up in their job in just 9 months?

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Did the 9 months include basic training? How do they get anyone trained up in their job in just 9 months?
    Yes it is possible, at least for the positions draftees were put in.

    Basically we have a draft ... but you can choose to spend your required time in civil service instead of the military.

    To make the military more interesting the time there was shortened to 9 months at my time while those in civil service had to work for 12 months.

    So it was 2 months basic training and 7 months in career position and all the necessary training was squeezed into the 9 months.

    For career soldiers of course the regiment is different and consists of a one year basic training + ....

    Everyone can go the one year route and leave the military after one year without any problems if he thinks it is not for him in the long run.


    Sure, sometimes being there sucked but looking back it was actually a pretty cool time.

    We even had a vote on the draft recently and even though the leftists tried really hard on all channels ... the people voted for the draft to stay.

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    USAF here. 1965 to 1969. Though I look back on those years with some fond memories, I didn't care for it at the time. Too much discipline for a young asshole like me. I had some opportunities then that I didn't take advantage of and missed out on.....? What? Who knows what might have been? The road not taken, and all that. Oh, well...........

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    Re: How many of us are military veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by GenghisCon View Post
    USAF here. 1965 to 1969. Though I look back on those years with some fond memories, I didn't care for it at the time. Too much discipline for a young asshole like me. I had some opportunities then that I didn't take advantage of and missed out on.....? What? Who knows what might have been? The road not taken, and all that. Oh, well...........
    When you say that, I have visions of somebody turning wrenches on an air base in Thailand. Good times!

    But please provide details. What was your occupational specialty? Where did you get stationed? What was it like? Where you different going in than when you came out?

    Sometimes I think that my first deployment to Central America was what I had instead of a happy childhood.


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