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    Fireline justice

    Last summer, during one of the worst fire seasons in years, A brain dead Portland teen decided to shoot off some fireworks. When the dust settled, half the Columbia Gorge was burnt up. Takes an hour to drive from one end of the fire to the other, and probably cost several million a day to fight when it was really rolling.

    Today, it was announced our hero's not going to jail. That's right, probation, community service, and fines are enough. No graybar hotel? Jesus H Christ, if burning down a goddam thousand acre national scenic area wont put you in jail, what the fuck will? Oh, that's right, he didn't steal anything. Now that would of done it.

    As far as fines go, what a joke. Every dime this shithead will ever makes in his entire life wouldn't fund a fire like that for two seconds, let alone two months. What the gov has done in the past when their kids start fires, is to collect what they can from the parents homeowner insurance and call it good. I'm ok with that, no use ruining the dumb fuck's parents too. But to let this piss stain off with probation is just wrong. Maybe death row's a little harsh, but nothing short of that would be. Ought to get a few years at least.
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    Re: Fireline justice

    It doesn't matter if some asshole shoots fireworks. Sure, it supplied a spark, but that's not why half the Columbia Gorge burnt up. It burned up because the fuel was there and the weather was right. Smokey was lying - "You" cannot prevent forest fires. Most forest fires are ignited by lightning. When the fuel is on the ground, sooner or later it will all burn.

    As for the kid - if it was deliberate arson, then fuck him. If not … you know, it's a real shame that we don't use corporal punishment anymore. A decent Singaporean caning would do him and society far more good than putting him in felon college.

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    Re: Fireline justice

    I wont argue Smokey was wrong, and we now have too much fuel laying around. It's also true nobody could ever do anything that would make up for a fuck up like this.

    Damn unlikely it was done on purpose. But probation for a deed like this, however unintentional, is letting him off with nothing. Less than nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    But probation for a deed like this, however unintentional, is letting him off with nothing. Less than nothing.
    True. Well, no - probation isn't less than nothing. It means that for the next 2 years (or whatever), your life isn't really your own. You lose a lot of freedoms that normally you take for granted, mainly the freedom to mind your own business while the government leaves you the hell alone for the most part. Depends on what kind of person the kid is.

    The courts aren't all that interested in punishing bad people for the bad things they do. They are interested in managing the criminal element. Putting someone in prison is expensive. If this was a one-off act of teenage stupid, then prison would accomplish nothing but wreck a life that still has a chance of coming good. But if the kid is a reckless, lawless dirtbag, then he'll violate probation. They can't help it. And the system will have him.

    As I said, a sane and sensible thing to do is administer a judicial whipping and put him on probabtion. But, it's not an option.

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    Fifteen year old boy threw firecracker, five years probation.

    A fire this big takes a camp larger than the surrounding towns. Run by a hundred people who never see the fire. From dawn to dark you got air tankers, helo's by the score, with maybe some skimmer plane and night infra-red missions thrown in. Six or eight hundred grunts on the ground doing their thing.

    Back at camp there's big contracts for food, showers, sewage, garbage, and rental vehicles. First thing they do is go to the nearest city and rent every pickup they can find. I bet they had a half dozen clerks that did nothing but pay bills.

    Jail would be both costly and risky for the state, so I see why they caved. But it ain't much for such an epic fuckup as this.
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    The judge hit him harder than I'd a thought. Owes 37 million, though it sounds like that might go away after ten years. Hit him with a lot of community service too, most of a year if you didn't do anything else. That one will hurt, rather he loses any money or not. A better ending than I expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    A decent Singaporean caning would do him and society far more good than putting him in felon college.
    Singapore only has two prisons in the entire country. One for men, one for women.

    Singaporean prison sentences are very short compared to the U.S., but getting out early for parole is very rare.

    Singaporean convicts lose their passports, as well as their normal blue national ID cards (drivers licenses are rare).

    Instead, they get a brown colored ID cards, which they must use for twice as many years as they were in prison. Everyone knows who uses a brown ID card...ex-cons.

    The caning comes halfway through your sentence. You never know when it is coming. It is a complete surprise when you are informed that day. There are very few repeat offenders. NOBODY wants to go through a caning a second time. It is very painful, although there is very little permanent damage.
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