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    Technology debate?

    I came upon this series of short articles this morning and it started me thinking again about where advances in technology are taking us.

    From laundry to long-distance relationships: How will our everyday lives change in the future?

    While there have been many sci-fi stories exploring these things, this is real life and these are happening now (well, maybe).

    At my age it is unlikely that I will be around to see much progress in many of these areas but I am particularly interested in the views of our younger members. Advances in technology will absolutely affect your lives. It wasn’t so long ago that there was no internet, no mobile phones, no home computers. When you wanted to meet up with friends you had to do it in person and this usually had to be arranged days or even weeks in advance with little to no ability to cancel, if you didn’t turn up you better have had a good reason.

    Being an oul lad in my fifties I have many concerns in the usual areas of privacy, and in how we interact with each other, but also in what so-called medical advances will mean to humanity as a race.

    I obviously have no problem with the modern miracle of using new advances to treat chronic or progressive illnesses or restoring someone’s ability to walk for example after an accident, but where does treating medical issues end and enhancing normal human abilities begin? Is there any difference?

    This article I found particularly interesting:

    Hello brain implants, goodbye forgetting people's names: The future of your memories

    Like most people as I have gotten older my memory is no longer what it once was and I would love to be able to recall anything in an instant. Or would I? I believe that part of the healing process from any traumatic event is the ability to forget, especially the emotions involved. What would it be like if these memories and emotional responses never left us? How would that affect the recovery process?

    In the mid 2000’s using mobile phones to check the internet for information was effectively banned in conversation among the people I socialise with as it was quickly seen to kill conversation – what’s the point in debating anything when someone can seemingly prove it one way or another in an instant? This may be great in the quest for knowledge but it does not aid social interaction at all.

    I’d be interested in your views guys.

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    Re: Technology debate?

    I read most of each article, or spot-read the meaty portions of them, at least.

    I see technological improvements that do real good, such as your medical ones. I see other things that are presented to me as "allowing me to manage my time" which tells me that they are selling me a gimmick that many other people will flock to buy. Much of it is tied to the average Joe being tapped for an income stream to profit someone. That's the driving motive, I can't knock it, but I choose how much of technology I let into my orbit.

    I find it interesting how each generation grows up in an environment more sophisticated than the one before:

    Generation Alpha are the children of the millennials, born entirely in the 21st century between the years 2010 and 2025. The term was coined by Australian demographer, Mark McCrindle, who has also predicted that there will be 2 billion people considered part of Generation Alpha around the world by 2025.

    Unlike the generations that precede them, Generation Alpha are born technologically-infused. Children of this generation will grow up with iPads in their hands, never knowing what life was like without a smartphone or Netflix. In fact, a recent survey carried out by Childwise in the UK found that 54% of 3-4 year olds owned their own devices.

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    I think of how dependent any of us have become on technology as a standard in our lives. To what extent does it make any of us less understanding of the mindset and life trials of those who came before? I didn't understand my mother's life when young until she explained it. It isn't like they depict in the movies. Here it is 2019 but when I was a young boy, most of the "old" people were born in the 1800's. Imagine that! Can a young person today understand what it was like to live my childhood any more than I can understand what it was like to live a childhood in the 1800's, actually? Does increasing technology increasingly interfere with even a basic minimum level of connectivity to other people that we may require to be humane and compassionate? Is technology a distraction more than we think? Is there such a thing as too much of it? Have we already passed the checkpoint for Koyaanisqatsi, Life Out of Balance?

    I have read of instances where the younger generation cannot understand/respect some of the life choices that senior citizens made/make. Along those lines, back in 1976 my employer (the telephone company) had all of us in our small town watch The Massey Tapes, a then-new series of videotapes (the technology then) by Dr. Morris Massey who had a theory that "What You Are Now Is Where You Were When". The "when" is when your gut-level values are formed, influenced by where we grew up, when we grew up, and what was going on at the time. These values stay with you your whole life and can only be changed by something he termed a Significant Emotional Event, such as death, divorce, etc. Massey provided example after example (some hilarious) of how inter-generational conflict can be explained by his theory. I've remembered it all of these years later. As technology increasingly influences each growing generation, to what extent will it interfere with people across generations working together to solve problems? Are young people's thinking so streamlined by the convenience of technology that they cannot bridge the gap to ever understand someone older like, say, Trump?
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    Re: Technology debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I didn't understand my mother's life when young until she explained it. It isn't like they depict in the movies. Here it is 2019 but when I was a young boy, most of the "old" people were born in the 1800's. Imagine that! Can a young person today understand what it was like to live my childhood any more than I can understand what it was like to live a childhood in the 1800's, actually? Does increasing technology increasingly interfere with even a basic minimum level of connectivity to other people that we may require to be humane and compassionate? Is technology a distraction more than we think? Is there such a thing as too much of it? Have we already passed the checkpoint for Koyaanisqatsi, Life Out of Balance?
    Exactly my thinking. Coming from an era where much of today's technology was non-existent I am quite happy to allow much of it to simply pass me by. For example I have a cell phone (or mobile phone as they're called here) but for all intents and purposes it is no different to me than a landline. If I go out socialising it stays at home unless I'm expecting an important call, and if I do need to use it I apologise to those I'm with and take myself aside.

    As for the gimmicky articles, well the series is sponsored by Volkswagen so you would expect a certain amount of them, but that's why I chose this rather than a more scholarly article of which there are many. These are typical of the things that are going to be pushed onto society rather than really useful stuff and I just wonder, as you say, what effect these and others like them are going to have on human interactions.

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    Re: Technology debate?

    Its like everything else, good bits and bad bits as Billy Shakespeare put it:

    "for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so"

    Hamlet, Act 2 sc2.

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    A goodly one, in which there are many confines, wards, and dungeons, Denmark being one o' th' worst.
    ROSENCRANTZ
    We think not so, my lord.
    HAMLET

    Why, then, ’tis none to you, for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. To me it is a prison.
    However, bollocks to having your teenage revelries, idiocies and drunken fumbles behind the bales recorded forever for everyones mirth and ridicule.

    Also, I don't know.

    I guess its easier to whistle-up a gang of pals.

    Its definately easier to communicate but that could be a good or bad thing.

    I don't think I'd still be around but for Google showing me MGTOWforums.

    Too much reliance upon tech and electricity?

    When you hit your 50's you realise that 100 years isn't such a long time and 100 years ago it was still horses and carts, a hole to shit in out the back, a bucket and well, and slates to learn to write upon for a lot of folks who now live better than any other generation ever lived before.

    Is everyone happy?
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    This is an interesting debate. Technology, how much is too much in your life ? How much progress is too much progress for human society in general ?

    In my personal life, I deal with technology just like I deal with food, or with ideas on internet. I come into contact with new idea, I try to learn about it benefits and problems, and then make a judgement. Computer programming, and particularly graphics/games programming is one of my skills. And at this time of writing, I am learning some of really cutting edge stuff out there (Rust language, Vulkan technology, etc). But then on the other hand, I am a modern ghost, I dont have any facebook, twitter, instagram, snapchat or whatever account. This site is the ONLY place where I interact with people on internet who are not my real life friends !!! I also dont use smartphone, I have a "dumbphone", it cant run any apps whatsoever, and its about a decade old. It doesnt have touchscreen. But its quite sturdy !!!

    So among my friends I am kind of an anomaly. On one hand I learn stuff way before than it becomes mainstream in market, and on other hand I abhor so many gadgets which people just assume you have. But its really very simple for me, every new technology or gadget or whatever, I make a judgement call and then go with it. Sometimes I do give a try to things (like smartphone), but then reject it if it doesnt seem to offer any advantage for the maintenance and risks. The other day a friend got his smartphone snatched by two people on a speeding bike. I was like.. if they steal my phone and try to sell it, it wont even cover the cost of fuel they used (in other words, nobody gonna buy it lol).

    On human society level, I am tilted towards more technology, because I see technology as knowledge or applied knowledge. Its worth the risks and problems, and I think those problems are inevitable. Consider a solar panel producing clean electricity. But to build the first solar panel you need some tools, to manufacture those tools you might need to get electricity from some source which is not clean. And that is not even considering the whole process of human civilization figuring out the need to have electricity or clean electricity in the first place.

    So my opinion is that its worth every bit. Sure some bad things will happen, but its unavoidable. Its not different from exploring unknown lands in ancient times. You might find yourself getting to places like Antarctica and getting royally f'd up because there is nothing but ice, or you may find a lush continent to expand the civilization (or to colonize). That being said, I am really not in favor of getting careless with it. We should not go straight to mass producing that new experimental drug which seems to cure something magically with no apparent side effects. Getting careless will result in things like Minamata incident (a large scale mercury poisoning in Japan some decades ago).
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    Re: Technology debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    This is an interesting debate. Technology, how much is too much in your life ? How much progress is too much progress for human society in general ?

    In my personal life, I deal with technology just like I deal with food, or with ideas on internet. I come into contact with new idea, I try to learn about it benefits and problems, and then make a judgement. Computer programming, and particularly graphics/games programming is one of my skills. And at this time of writing, I am learning some of really cutting edge stuff out there (Rust language, Vulkan technology, etc). But then on the other hand, I am a modern ghost, I dont have any facebook, twitter, instagram, snapchat or whatever account. This site is the ONLY place where I interact with people on internet who are not my real life friends !!! I also dont use smartphone, I have a "dumbphone", it cant run any apps whatsoever, and its about a decade old. It doesnt have touchscreen. But its quite sturdy !!!

    So among my friends I am kind of an anomaly. On one hand I learn stuff way before than it becomes mainstream in market, and on other hand I abhor so many gadgets which people just assume you have. But its really very simple for me, every new technology or gadget or whatever, I make a judgement call and then go with it. Sometimes I do give a try to things (like smartphone), but then reject it if it doesnt seem to offer any advantage for the maintenance and risks. The other day a friend got his smartphone snatched by two people on a speeding bike. I was like.. if they steal my phone and try to sell it, it wont even cover the cost of fuel they used (in other words, nobody gonna buy it lol).

    On human society level, I am tilted towards more technology, because I see technology as knowledge or applied knowledge. Its worth the risks and problems, and I think those problems are inevitable. Consider a solar panel producing clean electricity. But to build the first solar panel you need some tools, to manufacture those tools you might need to get electricity from some source which is not clean. And that is not even considering the whole process of human civilization figuring out the need to have electricity or clean electricity in the first place.

    So my opinion is that its worth every bit. Sure some bad things will happen, but its unavoidable. Its not different from exploring unknown lands in ancient times. You might find yourself getting to places like Antarctica and getting royally f'd up because there is nothing but ice, or you may find a lush continent to expand the civilization (or to colonize). That being said, I am really not in favor of getting careless with it. We should not go straight to mass producing that new experimental drug which seems to cure something magically with no apparent side effects. Getting careless will result in things like Minamata incident (a large scale mercury poisoning in Japan some decades ago).
    Funny, my first career was in I.T. maintenance and I studied Software Engineering (which never really went anywhere) and I've always had an interest in I.T. and technology in general. I also use a "dumbphone" as you call it (I like that) and my smartphone gets used mainly as a timer when cooking and as an alarm clock!!!

    It seems to me that most of the people I have spoken to in the field of I.T. are the least likely to utilise gadgets in their personal lives and I find this oxymoron interesting. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that for the most part we see these things coming and by the time they get here we have already considered their usefulness to some extent and we're not so excited about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Funny, my first career was in I.T. maintenance and I studied Software Engineering (which never really went anywhere) and I've always had an interest in I.T. and technology in general. I also use a "dumbphone" as you call it (I like that) and my smartphone gets used mainly as a timer when cooking and as an alarm clock!!!

    It seems to me that most of the people I have spoken to in the field of I.T. are the least likely to utilise gadgets in their personal lives and I find this oxymoron interesting. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that for the most part we see these things coming and by the time they get here we have already considered their usefulness to some extent and we're not so excited about them.
    I guess its not just that we see things coming, but we also get to see the ugly side of technology, the crappy quality of software. I still remember when I heard this "bug-to-bug compatibility" for the first time and it amazed me. For people who are not aware of jargon, that refers to intentionally introducing a flaw in your code to counter the flaw in some other part of code which you have no control over and cant fix. And it doesnt end there. When there is a long lasting bug in some core component of a large software, many components higher up the chain do this bug-to-bug thing, and then few years down the line when you sit down to fix the bug in that core component, you realize you cant do that !!! You cant do that because you will break so many things. This is why Linus Torvalds says about some bugs in the linux kernel : "they are not bugs, they are a feature".

    Regarding software engineering, I have found it to be the one of the most useless parts of IT education. The concept sounds good in theory, it just rarely works in practice. Software industry isnt human body or something which stays static in terms of structure for the most part, it keeps evolving. New techniques come and go, and sometimes old techniques make a comeback. Most of the practices taught in Software Engineering courses are often some FOTM technique, like agile or pair programming, etc. And most schools dont focus on the most important part : practice. Just learning software engineering and expecting to build a great software from the get go is like expecting to lift heavy weights by just learning proper posture from a book. Aint gonna happen overnight, no matter whatever is written in the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Regarding software engineering, I have found it to be the one of the most useless parts of IT education. The concept sounds good in theory, it just rarely works in practice. Software industry isnt human body or something which stays static in terms of structure for the most part, it keeps evolving. New techniques come and go, and sometimes old techniques make a comeback. Most of the practices taught in Software Engineering courses are often some FOTM technique, like agile or pair programming, etc. And most schools dont focus on the most important part : practice.
    When I decided to study Software Engineering I was in my 20's, some 25 / 30 years ago. Having done a few computer courses and even having developed some commercial software of my own (using dBase III, I kid you not) I seen this as the next step on my career. Software development was still in its early years as far as education went - hell we had BASIC, COBOL and FORTRAN modules, and Software Engineering was a new thing trying to bring some form of unified thinking to a very diverse field. It seemed to be 'the thing', but as you say in I.T. things change very quickly.
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    Re: Technology debate?

    Back in the day I worked for the I.B.E.W. ( Electricians Union)...35 years worth!
    I have worked on govt projects like Missile Silos , federal prison units, On line Nuke plants, and a couple Data centers with 01 an 02 USSC validation clearance . Plus several other nondescript projects not worth the mention ( i can not divulge that).
    The Tech was top line cutting edge,....your taxes paid for it!

    Anyway way back in the late 70's and early 1980's we were installing "PLC" type of logistic equipment with proximity and infrared awareness modules at selected facilities that could sense body temp, heart beats,and even urine!, Not even including sound frequency receptors ,that was when civilian industry was just starting to go with solid state. .
    During that time I had the opportunity to work on 1st generation retinal scanners for admission access to U.S. Govt. (......) bunkers way out in (........) Nevada.

    We were splicing Fiber Optic cable years before the famous TV commercial of "Can You Hear Me Now?...Good!" That was before John Q Public ever heard of the word "Fiber Optics"

    I also had one of the first auto bag phones back in 78.... what a heavy piece of shit that was.....but it was able to dial out from the badlands of NM.....kewl as hell!!

    Cutting edge tech was the shit brothers! New R&D items were coming on the scene nearly each month if not each week, or so it seemed.

    I worked that field up to 2007, saw and had my hands on things that would amaze some folks even today.


    Now cut to August 30 2019!!!
    I have an old desk top PC,...well I do run PCLinuxOS, but still,..it is an ancient Desk top!
    I do not own an Apple,...Ipod,..Notebook,...or any other type of Smart device (Traceable!) and my cell phone is an older Kyocera flip phone that would make Cpt. James Tiberius Kirk Proud.! Well just beam me the fuk up Scotty!

    Tech has reached pinnacles in ability and adaptation for the modern world that is beyond even our comprehension to believe. But let me say this,....all of it is just more cheese for the PTB's rat trap to track and "Hang" some poor sumbitch with a bad social score..or worse!

    Don't get me wrong,.. I am not a Luddite. But to me all this shit has now become over saturation , the matrix is real brothers! I opted out!! Oh yes they can still track and find me if they wish......but why make it easier for them?


    P.S. If and when they develop an Autonomous AI love babe that never talks back and only wants to fuck, cook and clean dishes,......count me back in!!!

    May the force be with us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    When I decided to study Software Engineering I was in my 20's, some 25 / 30 years ago. Having done a few computer courses and even having developed some commercial software of my own (using dBase III, I kid you not) I seen this as the next step on my career. Software development was still in its early years as far as education went - hell we had BASIC, COBOL and FORTRAN modules, and Software Engineering was a new thing trying to bring some form of unified thinking to a very diverse field. It seemed to be 'the thing', but as you say in I.T. things change very quickly.
    Ah the good ol' days when CPUs were horizontal and monitors were fat !

    I was introduced to computers when I was around 7 or 8 years old in school (I am 32 today). We were taught LOGO, where you move that little "turtle" around the screen drawing lines and stuff. I fondly remember when our teacher taught us loop command and demonstrated us to use that to draw a square by going forward and turning 90 degrees, and doing that 4 times. And then told all of us to copy it and try it. After I was done with that, I thought why not change the angle to something small and change the number of iterations to some hundred... and then entire screen filled with lines !! That was my first nerdgasm you can say !

    Some 2 years later I learnt BASIC (GW-basic), and then 3 years later I learnt C++, which I still use today. By the time I reached C++, the CPUs became vertical, dedicated GPUs became a thing, and LCD monitors were there in the market. And today, in the age of touchscreens and all... ppl look at desktops as if they are ancient technology. That is, unless you are buying some high end GPU in a shop, and all the kids around in the shop will get an erection looking at the box !!
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    A post on another thread gave me pause for thought:

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...01/#post146001

    Feelings of loneliness can be a powerful motivator and it is set to get worse – maybe.

    With advances in technology it seems we as a species are destined to live lonelier lives as many of our social interactions are through the workplace or at least originate there. As technology improves the need for human intervention in the workplace will diminish if we even have working lives at all. We are beginning to see it already. Yes there will be a need for humans to keep the machines working in the short term, but it won’t be long in the grand scheme of things before they’ll have machines capable of doing those tasks as well. And with that many more of us are going to become dependent on the State for our basic needs.

    However, it may not be all bad. Much of today’s older population have little ability to utilise all these new-fangled things like smart phones and computers. The younger generations however, seem to have adopted them as a kind of second nature. They will not be as cut off from the rest of the world as many are today. Granted it is no substitute for actual human contact, but it may just be enough to dispel the feelings of isolation that so many of our senior people feel today.

    What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    A post on another thread gave me pause for thought:

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...01/#post146001

    Feelings of loneliness can be a powerful motivator and it is set to get worse – maybe.

    With advances in technology it seems we as a species are destined to live lonelier lives as many of our social interactions are through the workplace or at least originate there. As technology improves the need for human intervention in the workplace will diminish if we even have working lives at all. We are beginning to see it already. Yes there will be a need for humans to keep the machines working in the short term, but it won’t be long in the grand scheme of things before they’ll have machines capable of doing those tasks as well. And with that many more of us are going to become dependent on the State for our basic needs.

    However, it may not be all bad. Much of today’s older population have little ability to utilise all these new-fangled things like smart phones and computers. The younger generations however, seem to have adopted them as a kind of second nature. They will not be as cut off from the rest of the world as many are today. Granted it is no substitute for actual human contact, but it may just be enough to dispel the feelings of isolation that so many of our senior people feel today.

    What do you think?
    Loneliness is a state of mind. By design men are solitary and sovereign creatures, masters and commanders that chart our own course and refuse to harbor an insubordinate crew member according to our inherently ingrained code of ethics, honor, and integrity. Wallowing with pigs is not the remedy but rather the recipe for personal disaster.

    What is the value of time spent with good and honorable friends, vs. time spent with a low-life creature not interested in mutual reciprocation? It become a relationshit of parasite and host.

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