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    I Like Your Reputation

    Is there a sticky anywhere explaining the allocation of Likes and Reputation Points? If not could one maybe be started? I have been looking but have yet to find one (there are quite a few stickies to get through).

    While this sort of thing probably comes as second nature to most this is the only site Iíve ever posted on, and while I think I get the general idea I do have a few questions.

    Likes:

    At first glance this seems quite obvious: if you like a post for whatever reason, be it because you find it informative, thought provoking or simply humorous, give it a Like. However it seems to me that there is something missing here. I like nearly every post I read here, even the ones I donít fully agree with (sometimes especially those as they are often the most thought provoking). So I find myself wanting to click the Like button on nearly every post. Does that not defeat the purpose? If I click Like on every post then whatís the point? Am I making any sort of sense here at all?

    Reputation Points:

    I assume that I should only allocate/award reputation for more important reasons, but what are those reasons? How many should I allocate? Is there a limit or scale? Are there pre-defined categories?

    I also assume for the most part that they are awarded for:

    Showing some sort of understanding of MGTOW philosophy.
    Demonstrating that you are indeed living the MGTOW life and not just regurgitating things youíve read somewhere.
    Bringing relevant information to numerous threads even if you are not the original author (and not claiming to be).
    Spreading the MGTOW word either in real life or on other MGTOW / non-MGTOW platforms, taking up the mantle as it were, although Iím unsure of how other members would know of this behaviour for the most part.

    Maybe these assumptions are not entirely correct (or maybe wrong altogether) and Iíve probably missed quite a few. Understand that I ask these questions in the hope of becoming a more effective member here and nothing more. Please forgive my ignorance of such basic concepts.
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    I think likes give the person one rep point. Far as Rep points go, I think it's up to you to decide who and what's deserving. The rest of us don't know who you give rep points to anyway. The payphone probably knows, but I doubt he cares. If you wondering, give me a bunch! Just kidding. At any rate, Mr. Wombats rep is over 20K, the rest of us got some catching up to do.
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    At any rate, Mr. Wombats rep is over 20K.
    Yeah because he is a little brown noser! (hahaha! Just kidding! You know I'm a smart ass!).

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    Hi Jackoff,

    Your questions/concerns are good ones. I, too, do not find on the site any specific information collected into an easily-found place. I've been here 5 years and, having started out as a regular member, I've been socialized into an operational understanding of how/when to use Likes and Reputation. Other mods may have additional info and insights. Here's what I'll say:

    Likes - There has been a member here, or two, who seemed to Like every post he read. I assumed he used the Like key to note for himself any post he had already read. That's too bad, because when opening a thread that has been viewed before, there is a button "View First Unread" which takes the member to where he last left off in that thread:



    I am not one to Like too much stuff I read on this site, not because they are not good reads, but because I prefer to save this feature for comments that make me think, or are eloquent, or insightful, or had personal meaning to me, or provided good/great info not yet provided, etc., getting my attention in these ways. Or, in the case of the obvious jokes, they make me laugh. If you overuse the feature, like that member did, I would tend as their recipient to dismiss your Likes as having little value to me. If you Like everything, it loses meaning. In contrast, receiving Likes from members whom I perceive use discretion in their Liking tends to make me value this feedback, perhaps telling me that I said something that made someone think, or was eloquent, or insightful, or had personal meaning to that member, or was good info, etc.

    I learned from watching other members here that, if someone compliments me in words in a post, I can either post in reply to say "Thank you" or, if it does not disrespect the degree of his compliment, simply Like what he said about me and, when he sees that Like, it will be understood by both of us that I saw what he wrote and I appreciated it. Or, if I do post a brief "Thank you", he can Like it instead of posting "Your Welcome". So, sometimes, the Like feature is a brief acknowledgement.

    As I have been on the site awhile, I can kinda learn about a member by the things that he Likes, even if I don't try to do this!

    I'd offer to you as a starting point, to click Like on comments that stand out to you in ways that would be a minority of what you read. (A minority still could be up to a whopping half of what you read.) It is not wrong to Like a post for other than the most meaningful of reasons and perhaps this helps keep the site friendly and enjoyable. Decide where your Demarcation Line will be so that you don't over-Like. Don't look at it that not Liking is an insult or represents a lack of approval, even if others are Liking that post. Myself, I like thinking every Like I get is sincere and not an OCD fullfillment. LOL.

    Reputation - Yeah, so what is a reputation? Online Merriam-Webster says this:

    1a. overall quality or character as seen or judged by people in general
    1b. recognition by other people of some characteristic or ability

    This, then, is something less casual that Liking. Each of us can influence the Reputation Level of other members, and other members influence our Reputation Level. I do not use this feature capriciously or artificially.

    Here is an antiseptic description taken from an online vBulletin Administrator's Manual:

    User Reputation in its simplest form is a ranking of your user's benefit to your forum. Its basis comes from the opinions of all of your forum users that choose take part in it.

    Users gain and lose reputation based on how their posts are scored by other forum participants. Users with the ability to affect reputation, will either give or take away points by approving or disapproving with a post's content.
    Bland, eh? Doesn't tell you much for the user-level application. How about this:

    If you are impressed with someone's show of character, you can add points to positively affect his Reputation Level, as you feel.

    If you are unimpressed with someone's lack of character, you can subtract points to negatively affect his Reputation Level, as you feel.

    You will be required to provide a comment when you do either one, and it is visible to the recipient so make it helpful. Any member can see his own latest Reputations received (not sent) on his Profile under the Reputations tab. Admins can also see who sent them but I don't follow them and I don't care unless I am researching abuse of the site.

    With regard to your example of a member plentifully regurgitating things from other sites, seems to me that is where Likes are the relevant response. Hopefully, though, the member includes his personal comments each time he does this, as per our Lounge Sticky we expect that he do this. Let's say, over a period of time, the cumulative effect of all of his added comments causes you to sense in that member a quality of consistency of character in these contributions of his. You might then see he has a method that you respect, reflecting a point of character that you respect, something that you didn't see in your initial assessment of him. You may then decide to give him Reputation points using his post that brought you to this decision, and tell him why. So, you can see subjectivity in this.

    The amount of points that a member can add or subtract from another member's Level is called your Reputation Power. On this site, all new members are assigned 10 points in Reputation Power. Members are assigned additional points based on length of membership, number of posts made, and when his Reputation Level itself reaches certain numerical thresholds. A member can perform a maximum of 24 Reputations within a 24-hour period.

    Hope this helps.
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Yeah because he is a little brown noser! (hahaha! Just kidding! You know I'm a smart ass!).
    Mine and MGTOWFOREVER's rep scores added together are about half a Mr. Wombats. Course he's got seniority on us losers.

    Hitting the little triangle subtracts rep points. It's there to report violations, but has been used in the past to stink up the scores of obnoxious trolls before they get banned. Scores of minus two hundred or so were run up a few times.
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    A very good explanation ! thanx!

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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    I am kindda quite erratic, when it comes to liking... sometimes I am in "Like spam" mood, so i click Like Like Like ! And I hate that message which says I cant do any action within 3 seconds delay, though I totally get its necessity.

    .. and some other times I am in pure ghosting/lurking mode, and at that time my Like'ing is based on Unboxxed's recommendation.
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Yeah because he is a little brown noser! (hahaha! Just kidding! You know I'm a smart ass!).
    Naah - I've just been here a long time. If I was coding up a reputation algorithm, I'd introduce exponential decay, which is not hard to do: just shave 1/365th off the value every day. I believe reddit does something like that for their "what's hot" algorithm. After first applying the prog filter of course, so that no pesky and heretical red-pillers get their truths aired.

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    @ Unboxxed

    Very helpful, thank you.
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I am kindda quite erratic, when it comes to liking... sometimes I am in "Like spam" mood, so i click Like Like Like ! And I hate that message which says I cant do any action within 3 seconds delay, though I totally get its necessity.

    .. and some other times I am in pure ghosting/lurking mode, and at that time my Like'ing is based on Unboxxed's recommendation.
    I also have been acting this way and that is why I asked the question. My own inconsistency gave me pause for thought.
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    We should have a meta subforum, where we can talk about this site. Not saying about its rules and regulations, but its features and functionality. They might be questions like this, or suggestions.

    Speaking of questions, I sometimes hear a "pop" sound when on this site, which I am not sure what its there for...
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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    I don't really care about likes and reputation....sniff....sob

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    Stoicism thats what I need.



    ...or maybe get angry and piss off in a strop



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    Nah, fuck-it.

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    Re: I Like Your Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by AdTheBad View Post


    A bit off topic, but I humbly disagree with this stance on violence. Of course unnecessary violence will lead to unending retaliation cycle and should be avoided, but taking a stance that violence should ALWAYS be avoided is not very optimal.

    Consider a situation where you live in a residential apartment, where most of the time, the only thing that separates your "territory" with your neighbor is a wall (or roof/floor). And imagine someone living there playing so loud music at night that your furniture starts to shake, and they do it every night. And they are not the kind of people who you can talk to. What is the procedure to fix the problem here ? There will be violence. It may be committed by the people living in those apartments, or maybe by the police. It may not be violence but merely a threat of violence. It may be a non violent punishment with a clause that violence will be used if the punishment is not carried upon (eg: jail if fines are not paid in due time).

    I am taking a page from Propertarianism here. Violence is a tool to impose cost on someone, a heavy cost. It can be done to prevent others from imposing unfair cost upon you. If you forbid violence, then that means you are allowing other ways the people impose unfair cost upon one another, like being frauds/thieves/dishonest etc.

    Consider this very website and its moderators. Banning someone is a form of violence, a moderator/administrator has power to kick someone out. The "kicking" is not physical because a web service is not a physical entity and you are not physically here, but other than that, its no different from kicking someone out of the club. And you cannot kick someone out from any building unless you have power to do, the power which can come from authority, law or even the permission settings in a database. And not all the bans are because the person is being harsh or violent, sometimes its because the person is not following the ethics and culture of this forum and continuing his actions despite warnings.
    A clever fighter not only wins, but excels in winning with ease. His victories bring him neither reputation for wisdom, nor credit for courage. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

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