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    A question on immigration.

    I've been watching American news(?) media for a while now and am aware, at least to some extent that there is much controversy over your southern border.

    I just seen a report on a ruling given here on the same topic.

    A High Court judge, in a significant decision, has ruled the "continuous residence" requirement in citizenship applications means an applicant for naturalisation must have "unbroken" residence in the State for an entire year immediately before the date of their application.

    The Minister for Justice's discretionary practise of allowing applicants six weeks out of the country, for holiday or other reasons, and more time in exceptional circumstances, is not permitted by law, Mr Justice Max Barrett ruled.
    That "might seem unfair" in a world where many people travel abroad for work and take foreign breaks more than once a year but it is what the relevant law requires, he said
    The full report can be read here:

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...es-937705.html

    In short, the judge made his ruling based on what the law states and did not bow to public opinion.

    I do not wish to disparage the legal system in the U.S. in any way, but from some of the reports I've seen many of the judges seem to insert their own belief systems into their rulings.

    Again, I am not trying to judge in any way, I am merely trying to seek an objective point of view.

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    Re: A question on immigration.

    You won't find a objective point of view about immigration in the states. Or on this forum, for that matter. As usual, American's want it both ways. We get outraged when our sacred border gets violated, but sneak in about 20 billion illegal's every year just the same. Somebody's got to work the farms, let alone all the rich folk who need their nanny's, pool boy's and landscapers. Those rich fucks aren't going to mow their own yards.

    The Mexicans began working summers here a long time ago. As years passed, many quit returning south when the seasons work was over. Some remained illegal, but most eventually became citizens. They and their kids are now as American as any of us. Where there's work they like, whole community's spring up. I'm all for it, but am very much the minority on this issue.
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    Re: A question on immigration.

    When I started working forestry contracts for Smokey Bear, Most planting crews were hippies. Then the business changed and the remaining hipsters got tired of planting trees. This left the field open for the Mexicans, first with whitebread leadership, then under Mexican owned company's. With a unlimited supply of illegal labor, these company's were soon rolling in clover. Now the planting industry's about gone, and the Mexicans (who are mostly legal now) do other jobs. If you had a Christmas tree from a farm last year, Mexicans planted it, trimmed it, cut it down and then put it in a sling load for a chopper to haul off. Winery's, nursery's and most other farm job in Oregon are all done by Mexicans. Big farms east of the mountains use their services too.


    I worked with who knows how many illegals over the years, though I could seldom tell who was who. The craziest one by far though, was an Irishman on one a the hippie crews I had. Visiting London as a lad, he got the chance to extend his trip to America. Instead of hanging out awhile and going home, he worked his way across the country where he ended up on one a my planting crews. Being white, the immigration people never dreamed he was a "wetback." He was sure funny, him and his friend had the inspector in stiches most of the day. Last I heard he'd become a naturalized American and was a carpenter. Don't think he ever went back it Ireland, even after becoming legal. Guess he's an American now.
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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I've been watching American news(?) media for a while now and am aware, at least to some extent that there is much controversy over your southern border.

    I just seen a report on a ruling given here on the same topic.

    A High Court judge, in a significant decision, has ruled the "continuous residence" requirement in citizenship applications means an applicant for naturalisation must have "unbroken" residence in the State for an entire year immediately before the date of their application.

    The Minister for Justice's discretionary practise of allowing applicants six weeks out of the country, for holiday or other reasons, and more time in exceptional circumstances, is not permitted by law, Mr Justice Max Barrett ruled.
    That "might seem unfair" in a world where many people travel abroad for work and take foreign breaks more than once a year but it is what the relevant law requires, he said
    The full report can be read here:

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...es-937705.html

    In short, the judge made his ruling based on what the law states and did not bow to public opinion.

    I do not wish to disparage the legal system in the U.S. in any way, but from some of the reports I've seen many of the judges seem to insert their own belief systems into their rulings.

    Again, I am not trying to judge in any way, I am merely trying to seek an objective point of view.
    You're comparing the USA to something you read about another country. The USA does not have Ministers of Justice.

    From the article:

    The case concerned the interpretation of Section 15.1.c of the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 2015.
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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    You're comparing the USA to something you read about another country. The USA does not have Ministers of Justice.
    The other country in question is the one in which I live, however I agree that's exactly what I'm trying to do i.e. compare another country's judicial system to my own.

    You see the only thing I have to go on is what I see in the media, and we all know how much trust we should put there.

    By the way we have our own problems here as well with young thugs running round the streets with more than 50 convictions under their belt and never having spent a day in jail to name just one.

    It has always been my belief that judges are there to interpret the law as it is written, not to bend it to their own will or viewpoint. If a law is wrong change the law don't just ignore it.

    In today's world of social media it seems many judges don't wish to incur the wrath of SJWs and so make some dubious decisions.

    As for the USA not having Ministers of Justice, I'm unsure why this is relevant. Surely the basic principles are the same in both countries in so far as laws are created in parliament / congress, enforced by gardai / police, and dealt with in the court system.

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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    You're comparing the USA to something you read about another country. The USA does not have Ministers of Justice.

    From the article:
    True, Unboxxed, but some of our judges think that's exactly what they are. This thing going on now isn't immigration in the strictest sense. This fiasco currently at our border was designed by people here to try to stage some kind of half-ass coup. Don't try to understand American politics...like women you can be entertained by it or loathe it. There seems to be no in-between.
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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Our ministers of justice are called The Supreme Court.
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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    The other country in question is the one in which I live, however I agree that's exactly what I'm trying to do i.e. compare another country's judicial system to my own.
    Got it, thanks.

    As for the USA not having Ministers of Justice, I'm unsure why this is relevant.
    I understand now. But, just to explain what my editorial critical thinking was:

    In reading your message cold, here's essentially what I thought to myself:

    "Hmm... he is offering an Irish article as a preface for asking about the USA. Huh? Does he realize that? What does one have to do with the other? He does points out to say American news(?) with a question mark so is he saying he's not sure if what he linked was American news? He wrote, "but from some of the reports I've seen many of the judges seem to insert their own belief systems into their rulings." but the only report he referenced here is Irish. Sounds like he's talking about Ireland. He doesn't acknowledge he is making this shift of country, he just makes an unannounced shift. And what do Irish rulings have to do with America?" So does he know he shifted?

    See, personally, I wouldn't need your Irish article to answer a question about America. Along with the other things, it threw me.

    At this point, I thought you were uncertain if your article was American or not, so I wanted to point out that the reference to Ministers of Justice would have been a clue.

    That's why I wrote that! I apologize if that now appears condescending. I did not mean it to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    True, Unboxxed, but some of our judges
    Well, I don't know what country you are from so I don't know whose judges you are referencing. Who is "our" judges? Ireland? I'd disservice your opinion without this information.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    Our ministers of justice are called The Supreme Court.
    Ok, now I think you are in the USA. Glad to catch this comment.
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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Judges following the law in the states? Part of the time, the rest of the time they make it up as they go. It is very common here for any judge anywhere to legislate from the bench. Or interpretation of the law in ways not written into the law. More common on higher level, federal more then state, state more then local.

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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by 743 Roadmaster View Post
    Judges following the law in the states? Part of the time, the rest of the time they make it up as they go. It is very common here for any judge anywhere to legislate from the bench. Or interpretation of the law in ways not written into the law. More common on higher level, federal more then state, state more then local.
    We Americans call it legislating from the bench.
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    Re: A question on immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by 743 Roadmaster View Post
    Judges following the law in the states? Part of the time, the rest of the time they make it up as they go. It is very common here for any judge anywhere to legislate from the bench. Or interpretation of the law in ways not written into the law. More common on higher level, federal more then state, state more then local.
    Well this is where I get confused - seems to happen more and more often to me these days. I was under the impression that State Law superseded County or Local Law, and Federal Law superseded State Law, but this doesn't seem to be the case. I cannot give any examples because most of my info comes from watching news articles that I haven't had the foresight to make note of, but it seems that sometimes lower courts (e.g. State Courts) can sometimes overrule higher courts (Federal Courts).


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