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    Issues at work - need some advise.

    Gentleman,


    I have been working at this company for several years.
    I realise may be over-thinking, but I feel anxious nonetheless.


    I currently have customers in several countries. There are several staff who do the same job as I do, and we all get assigned a particular country/region to cover.


    One country which I have been covering for several years is now being 'shared' with another member of staff. The other member, I feel is doing better than me and may steal my clients. And I also feel my manager *maybe* aiding him in stealing my clients.


    This country which we have started 'sharing' is a tough market, and our products have not penetrated very well. I have been assigned this country for several years and due to tough economic circumstances and unresponsive clients which were given to me, I was unsuccessful at selling our company's products.


    The other salesman has been successful and to be fair, he is a dynamic character. But he is able to do that because he is based in a different office where he doesn't have to deal with my manager (who is anxious about every single detail at work!).


    As you can imagine, this makes my work very difficult. Imagine if you had to CC your manager in every single email and have them interrupt your workflow because of some unfounded anxieties about this or that issue. You won't be able to flourish as easily as someone who is placed in another office, where he has more freedom to manoeuvre.


    So obviously, I feel anxious about my territory being taken away from me. I have already handed him over one small region for him (due to my own stupidity) in the past.


    I also often sabotage myself, where I share every little detail with my manager because I think that makes me a 'better employee'; when in fact the bottom line is, I need to continue selling more and more and some things are better off not shared.


    This should be my focus, but it's hard when you have a manager who is highly anxious about every single detail.


    Anyway, I am wondering about this issue, if any of the gentleman on this forum have experienced something similar and if they have any advise to offer?


    I personally think itís do with jealousy and she wants me to do well, but not too well. She is a busy body and wants to be involved in absolutely every single detail at work.

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    Re: Issues at work - need some advise.

    Go over her head with an anonymous letter with evedence that her department is failing compared to others. Put the blame on her and take her job!

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    Re: Issues at work - need some advise.

    Oh shit, sales. Were I as bad at riding as selling, I'd be dead. But I think I know what you need. How to get it without looking like a snitch or an asskisser is the problem. It will probably take some creative thinking, but there's a way.

    You need someone equal to or above your boss in the organization to speak up for you when the shit eventually hits the fan. That's really your boss's job, but she obviously won't be doing it. Then before they throw you under the bus, your advocate can say "Yeah, the new guys good. But Opaque was given an unproductive market, and has to spend half the day holding his boss's hand. He's not the loser you think he is." Or something like that.

    This might or might not save you. But without someone on your side, your sure to take the blame.
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    Re: Issues at work - need some advise.

    Thank you for the advise Frog. I plan to develop a better relationship with my general manager who is also her manager. I will do this in an ingratiating manner so as to not arouse suspicions.

    Any other advise would be highly appreciated.

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    Re: Issues at work - need some advise.

    Hey Opaque, may I suggest you watch the movie "How to succeed in business without really trying" (circa 1967) allot of it really hits home! It's right up there with it's a mad mad mad world!


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    Re: Issues at work - need some advise.

    When I was a kid my first boss's were WW II vets. Some were fair, some were mean, but at least most of them knew what they were doing. All were hard ass's rather the employee needed it or not.

    As those guys got old, the new management crop became a mixed bag. Plenty were the same old slave drivers, but some a the smarter one's began to use the carrot more than the stick. Being loyal to those who treated us right, those boss's got a lot a work rather they were watching or not. Thing is though, the luck of the draw with supervisors started to affect your career. Being a good employee wasn't always enough.

    I did work hard for Smokey and would like to think I earned my keep. Truth is though, without the help of three or four different people over most of twenty years I'd a been one of the hundreds of surplus employees. That's an awful lot a good luck no matter how hard I worked for it.

    Which is my point, sometimes luck steers your career despite your best efforts. The plywood mill didn't die cause the employees were lazy and stupid, though the mill owners claimed as much.

    Remember when things go south, there's no telling who might be watching. I think then it's best to take the high road if you can. Your more likely to look good to the rest of the organization if you not slinging mud. Defend yourself, but don't be mean. Let the other guy look like a jerk. Hope it works out for you.
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    Re: Issues at work - need some advise.

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    When I was a kid my first boss's were WW II vets. Some were fair, some were mean, but at least most of them knew what they were doing. All were hard ass's rather the employee needed it or not.

    As those guys got old, the new management crop became a mixed bag. Plenty were the same old slave drivers, but some a the smarter one's began to use the carrot more than the stick. Being loyal to those who treated us right, those boss's got a lot a work rather they were watching or not. Thing is though, the luck of the draw with supervisors started to affect your career. Being a good employee wasn't always enough.

    I did work hard for Smokey and would like to think I earned my keep. Truth is though, without the help of three or four different people over most of twenty years I'd a been one of the hundreds of surplus employees. That's an awful lot a good luck no matter how hard I worked for it.

    Which is my point, sometimes luck steers your career despite your best efforts. The plywood mill didn't die cause the employees were lazy and stupid, though the mill owners claimed as much.

    Remember when things go south, there's no telling who might be watching. I think then it's best to take the high road if you can. Your more likely to look good to the rest of the organization if you not slinging mud. Defend yourself, but don't be mean. Let the other guy look like a jerk. Hope it works out for you.
    That's some solid gold advice there! Put your thirst for justice (along with your anger for injustice) in an iron clad box and just add more clad and rivets until your personality and demeanor is mellow and tolerable. A gentleman is a man whom has tamed his anger and tempered his spirit against all surprise, assault, and aggression. It doesn't mean he's weak, the silent are usually deadly.
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