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    Re: Close the border

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    If an industry cannot be competitive legally, either the law is wrong ... or the industry is in the wrong place or wrongly built (bad business model).
    Now if you're talking about field work such as asparagus picking, fruit picking and the like ... in Germany this isn't done by natives either, at least for the most part. They're mostly Polish, Czech etc. workers. But they do not live here. They come for the season and then they go back to their countries. While that isn't ideal and I don't know about the legality of that practice, at least it doesn't result in net migration.
    In Australia they use work & travellers for such labor btw. Though I'm sure they have some semi-permanent workers as well. But one has to add that manual labor pays a lot better in Australia than in Germany for instance. I worked there as an unskilled stage building crew member and earned 20 AUD / day, 25 AUD /night.
    The idea of a guest worker program idea similar to how Germany does it has been floated before. I think it would work the best as agricultural is seasonal. It is the same in Italy and Greece where agriculture is seasonal and most that do those jobs are Romani, Albanians, etc.

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    Re: Close the border

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    The idea of a guest worker program idea similar to how Germany does it has been floated before. I think it would work the best as agricultural is seasonal. It is the same in Italy and Greece where agriculture is seasonal and most that do those jobs are Romani, Albanians, etc.
    Turkish "guest workers" were a lie. Most of them stayed. We were forced by America to take them. As you're probably aware, the FRoG is not a souvereign nation.
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    Re: Close the border

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    Turkish "guest workers" were a lie. Most of them stayed. We were forced by America to take them. As you're probably aware, the FRoG is not a souvereign nation.
    This is true becuase President Bush pushed for a guest worker program and he received major pushback from his own Republican party in the US. This is because many Republicans argued it would be amenesty and would lead to permanent residence status. And when President Reagan tried amnesty it proved to be a failure as well.

    As for Germany the choices they have made the last decade have been very surprising in terms of immigration and migrants. But I think they will have to learn what the US learned almost 30 years ago with Reagan's amnesty. Some hard lessons are learned the hard way.

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    Yup, just pointing out that the term is somewhat a misused one. Those temporary seasonal workers are actual guest workers. The Turks who migrated here are not actual "guest workers". It's basically the same lie as with the "refugees". These are migrants, plain and simple. And with the Turks we've already seen how bad this works. About half of them are unemployed & on welfare, crime rate is much higher than natives and their islamic bs leads to parallel societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    This is true becuase President Bush pushed for a guest worker program and he received major pushback from his own Republican party in the US. This is because many Republicans argued it would be amenesty and would lead to permanent residence status. And when President Reagan tried amnesty it proved to be a failure as well.

    As for Germany the choices they have made the last decade have been very surprising in terms of immigration and migrants. But I think they will have to learn what the US learned almost 30 years ago with Reagan's amnesty. Some hard lessons are learned the hard way.
    Thank you Azure, you did more good with two paragraph, than I did with three pages.

    They might argue amnesty and immigration, and they are valid points. But that's not the real reason. Farmers, their investors, their bankers the lawmakers that support them, when they want the Mexicans to be legal, it might happen. Till then, not likely. The big reason is, if you make them legal, you have to pay them legal. That's why they remain illegal yet they return every spring. It's ironic that the party that was started to kill slavery now sees nothing wrong with second class citizens.


    I kind of remember Reagan giving the Cuban's amnesty, and Castro emptying all his jails and nut houses with predictable results. Those assholes did cause endless trouble. But I don't remember anyone letting a bunch a Mexican's in legal. Did I miss something? I can only stand so much news sometimes.


    Would some Mexicans like to live in America? Damn right they would, you cant blame them for that. Others would prefer to go south for the winter. Would they make good citizens? I believe a lot would. They'd no doubt remain Mexican to the bone, but that's not bad. They'd beat the Turks all to hell.

    I must of had fifty different planting crews over the years. To get a good job, you need the foreman's trust. To get that I would help them when I could, rather Smokey liked the idea or not. Over the years I did these guys a lot of two bit favors, and some not so small ones every now and then. Out a fifty guys, only one Mexican foreman burned me, or failed to try and help in return. Sure, they was minding their manners at work. But those are still good odds, and the one bad one I got had learned his dirty tricks from white boys. A foreman once helped me out just cause I'd been nice to a pal of his ten years ago.


    Could you let the good ones in without getting a bunch a gutter sweeping too? Would be hard alright. Maybe if you started with ones that have been returning for years.
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    On average, Salvadorans will pay between $8,000 and $11,000 to a "coyote" to smuggle them to the U.S. They pay more for "reliable" human smugglers/traffickers with a known track record, and if they are sending their daughters. (don't want their panties to wind up on some Mexican border trafficker's "rape tree," or worse, sold to flesh peddlers.)
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    ,...it seems the media has forgotten all about the invasion force. Lucas being in California it is up to date on the topic.

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    Violence at the boarder,.....yea we need these people in country.

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    Re: Close the border

    Looks like the usual suspect is involved:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...asylum-in-u-s/
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/w...ry-killed.html

    I dont support murder,but this retard should have known better....The US,and Europe has a lot to learn about border-control,it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskorteprinsen View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/w...ry-killed.html

    I dont support murder,but this retard should have known better....The US,and Europe has a lot to learn about border-control,it seems.
    This guy was more of a Darwin winner award than a missionary, and I don't see how he couldn't of known that going in. There was no hope of surviving these guys, not a chance in hell. Guess this is one Christian who got his reward early.
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    If you don't deal with that sweet, sweet immigration, this is what you get: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-Germany.html
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    Re: Close the border

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    If you don't deal with that sweet, sweet immigration, this is what you get: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-Germany.html
    We ARE dealing with immigration. We're becoming a foreign country.Can't you tell?
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    Re: Close the border

    Some bitch on good morning britain called susanna reid was saying; they just want a better life so let them in...piers morgan of all people challenged her on it and asked her how many should be let in - her typical feelz over facts response was "i wont answer"...i just wish that all of these incompatable aliens were dumped in upper middle class neibourhoods - suddenly all these feelz dickheads would be calling for limits on immigration

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    Re: Close the border

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    If you don't deal with that sweet, sweet immigration, this is what you get: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-Germany.html
    Regarding the picture there, yeah how is immigrants in their new country but waving the flag of their country of origin NOT an invasion? How is that image not an invitation to their leaders back home to take advantage of the situation politically?

    "Hey, President Erdogan, stupid Merkel lets us in, just as we are, and so here we are, an expansion of Turkey! We love you!"

    Several years back, in the USA the Mexican illegals were marching, in California I think, proudly waving the flag of Mexico while demanding amnesty from the USA. Pictures of this in the news. Oh yeah, if I as an American citizen sneaked across the border with other Americans into a country then marched down their streets in broad daylight waving the American flag and demanding their resources, why wouldn't we be rounded up and dealt with?

    I read that their lawyers had to tell them to stop waving the Mexican flag. It didn't occur to them. Dumb fuckers. That's how numb people are to matters of citizenship, nationality, loyalty, etc. as foundations for how we live and allocate and defend resources that we make for ourselves.

    Feminists and other numb nuts try to do an end run around citizenship by amplifying the emotional element in hopes of distracting people from the foundations. Media helps greatly in this distraction while claiming they are only reporting the news.

    Our Massengill politicians are at the front of the line. Except I've been wondering why, Seattle, the city where I live, the biggest pussified city there is, probably second only to Toronto from what I hear of that city, hasn't extended their self-declared Sanctuary status to any of these approaching marchers. Seattle politicians have said nothing about it. I haven't noticed other Sanctuary cities offering themselves to these marchers, either.
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    Re: Close the border

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Regarding the picture there, yeah how is immigrants in their new country but waving the flag of their country of origin NOT an invasion? How is that image not an invitation to their leaders back home to take advantage of the situation politically?

    "Hey, President Erdogan, stupid Merkel lets us in, just as we are, and so here we are, an expansion of Turkey! We love you!"

    Several years back, in the USA the Mexican illegals were marching, in California I think, proudly waving the flag of Mexico while demanding amnesty from the USA. Pictures of this in the news. Oh yeah, if I as an American citizen sneaked across the border with other Americans into a country then marched down their streets in broad daylight waving the American flag and demanding their resources, why wouldn't we be rounded up and dealt with?

    I read that their lawyers had to tell them to stop waving the Mexican flag. It didn't occur to them. Dumb fuckers. That's how numb people are to matters of citizenship, nationality, loyalty, etc. as foundations for how we live and allocate and defend resources that we make for ourselves.

    Feminists and other numb nuts try to do an end run around citizenship by amplifying the emotional element in hopes of distracting people from the foundations. Media helps greatly in this distraction while claiming they are only reporting the news.

    Our Massengill politicians are at the front of the line. Except I've been wondering why, Seattle, the city where I live, the biggest pussified city there is, probably second only to Toronto from what I hear of that city, hasn't extended their self-declared Sanctuary status to any of these approaching marchers. Seattle politicians have said nothing about it. I haven't noticed other Sanctuary cities offering themselves to these marchers, either.
    At least the US is not taking part in the global pact for migration, which aims to legalize forced legalized mass immigration from the third world into first world countries.
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