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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    Right on, Brother!!!!
    Can i call it a counter-culture instead? It sure as hell ain't a sub-culture; as we are rising ABOVE it all; and add to that we are going against (counter) to the sheepeople.

    Actually, MGTOW is a gradiated response. It has grown over time in (slow) response to several cultural shifts and many policy shifts in government which supported those cultural changes. Some of those cultural changes were positive, but profit motive and wealth transfer and extraction by industry plays a larger part in government supporting the destruction of families. Government policy has given incentives to women to do so, and to reap benefits. And so they do so to get their due reward, and they get to do so while retaining their claim to victim status too.

    MGTOW is Awareness, Recognition, and Acknowledgement that there are other choices for living one's life . Why be a willing slave to a structure and system which supports servitude and misery for those who chose to enlist? Marriage is but the first step. The contract itself is not worth anything. It is the dossolution of the contract in which financial benefits will be reaped by those who pursue the dissolution of the marriage contract via (in general) wealth extraction from the male. The marriage contract is at best, an opt in for financial indentured servitude for a period of time, and can be much worse because it can make one a financial slave for life.

    When one chooses his own path and rejects marriage and the paths that lead toward servitude in a system set against men to the benefit of women, others may refer to it as a lifestyle. It is a lifestyle choice at that point, and a dangerous one for women and the system which supports them.

    For those who clal it a philosophy, well, they are somewhat off base but as long as you muddy the waters, have it it. Call it what you want. Others don't have to subscribe to how you label it. If by philosophy, you mean a way to live one;s life and thus back to a lifestyle choice, then perhaps so, it's just more labels.

    More than awareness, or recognition, or Acknowledgement, MGTOW is a response. It's simply teh next logical step which has taken it's sweet time in the cultural repsonse to the shifts which occurred decades ago. The initial pains were minor, and they grew over time. Overreach occurred and for those who have lived through the period, they now see, either in hiindsight, or as a glaring undeniable truth with the need for hindsight, that the system as it stands as supported by government for relationships (marriage) is a sham. It's a system of slavery and more men than ever before are refusing to sign up or opt in to that system of control.


    Men have been removed form their families, and then blamed for leaving them. That's no incentive to want to start a family. Women threw off their oppressive gender roles and we've heard nothing about those roles but how the patriarchy hurt women. But their system depends upon men adhering to those same male classic gender roles. Women removed their part of the agreement but expected men to keep theirs. For the most part, and for a very long time, men did. That is changing now. Those entrenched in the established system are threatened by men making different choices. That was always the problem. They knew men making the same choices, and be willing to make the same mistakes. They went too far in their effort to shame men over time that in so doing, they accidentally taught boys and men to actively think about and dislike what they were going through and why. They over used the victim stance for women. They tried to make boys and men feel shame for simply being male. And then they are surprised and shocked when men decide to do something else with their time, and their lives.

    Men making these choices for themselves is nothing but an overdue logical response. That response is based on awareness, recognition and acknowledgement. That response is causal in men choosing different ways to live, with different lifestyles than the standard one proscribed by the current system. It has caused men to think differently, act differently and see other options.

    And right there is part of the anger we've seen the entire time over the last few decades - the knowledge that the choices of MEN would maintain or break the system they had set in place.
    Women don't owe men anything. Not a smile. Not sex, Not even empathy or compassion. Men don't owe women anything either. Not interest. Not resources. And definitely not commitment or children.
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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes View Post
    Actually, MGTOW is a gradiated response.
    Agreed!!

    - Personally, I believe that many, if not all MGTOWs are philosophers. (the people; Not that the movement has a single philosophy). It doesn't take a deep philosopher to see the fakery, lies, and enslavement. But it still takes a philosopher, as that person must be able to think rationally & against the constant pressure & overwhelming influence of the culture.
    - What you call a reaction a response to culture (of which i totally agree) can also be called a counter-culture, as it is in opposition to the culture at large.

    Question:
    Or, do you believe we are not large enough to be considered a culture?
    Or is it the simple fact that everyone is doing it differently; not bonded together on any one point? Or is it something else?

    Point in fact, as we are each our own philosophers (which you have already proven) this discussion has merit; if for no other reason than personal growth.

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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    Thank you for the wonderful forum.. I found this from red pill on Reddit and was sad when the old forum was shut down, very happy i is back.

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    Great going and keep it up

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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    Can I ask a question in this thread?

    How well does "The Four Agreements" fit into your Personal Principles of MGTOW?

    Link: The Four Agreements: a Practical guide to personal Freedom


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    Sounds very good.

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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    Thank you for creating this. I didnt know MGTOW sites exsisted when i 'opted-out' of relationshits, and felt very alone and condemned {by female family members, of course} for choosing this path. Now i feel comfort in knowing there are others like me.

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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    ChukleHed,
    You're coming in loud & clear. There are millions of us. Tens of millions.

    And within the family units, it is not uncommon for the so called "Alpha" male (who is doing the bidding of females within the group) to do the blatant / overt manipulation on us MGTOW.

    I know this for a fact; I know this first hand. And these useful idiots label themselves as "learned" Pitiful is what they are.

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    May Peace & Joy fill all your days, Brother!

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    p.s. I, personally, really relate to LAW (life after women) channel on YouTube. He has been ran "through the wringer" , like many, but has recovered with massive Grace & Peace.

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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    Thanks for creating this site!!!!

    - Hoping that any Manly debates are healthy, & are conducted rationally, logically, without name calling, or false labeling.
    - Hoping that while this is a site about personal issues, with all the touchie-feely thereof, that the people here retain a sense of self-control, & that we do NOT personalize the topics (hard to do sometimes!)
    - Hoping that I retain the mindset that MGTOW is a LIFESTYLE; that it is NOT an ideology

    Principles are based upon a Philosophy
    My Philosophy allows me to Go My Own Way; While valuing others Going Their Own Way - which will Differ than my way

    Peace, Enlightenment, n Joy to all my MGTOW Brothers,
    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    MGTOW has been called alternately a lifestyle, a culture, a philosophy, a way of life. In my view, it is also an awareness. Once you open your eyes to the truth about gender matters, the rest is a blank slate that no MGTOW authority can dictate. The awareness is the starting point and what binds all of us.
    Quoted for truth, Jagr and Flailor, too. Had to pull it a second time to page 2 here. Jagr, I remember you being this new guy on the old Nacho site and thinking, "this guy is the best poster ever here." Now nothing against ghosting or anything, for that is a legit lifestyle to me, but to see a bachelor who was not playing the game, who seemed ahead of an old red pill person in just making essays in how it all REALLY was, it made me think, "you know, I can do this MGTOW thing. Then the forum closed before I could join it. Anyway, like this better than the Nacho forum. Though even his closing speech had some relevant things in it for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    And within the family units, it is not uncommon for the so called "Alpha" male (who is doing the bidding of females within the group) to do the blatant / overt manipulation on us MGTOW.

    I know this for a fact; I know this first hand. And these useful idiots label themselves as "learned" Pitiful is what they are.
    Your quote reminds me about hearing how the top one percenter type of males are all pro feminism in many senses. It keeps everyone else at the bottom. I read that somewhere and it made sense to me. As out there as it can sound.

    I am lucky I never suffered my family pulling that crap first hand, Flailer. The married ones in my immidiate family. On the other hands, could not help but to notice how much white knighting these simps on a purple pill forum like the NMMNG Forum were doing for feminism or bad female behavior. Same deal as your family, Flailor. On manosphere place of all places, God dammit, ha ha!
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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    Excellent; outstandingly well-written. (I feel like an English teacher grading a report.)

    I haven't read much on this site yet but I immediately felt a "sympathy" with what I did read.
    I've never married (a homo) and felt envious of straight males for all the "benefits" they received (and receive) from society. Yet when I looked deeper into "the deal" that my straight friends were going through, I shook my head and felt conflicted. I didn't WANT to be doing what they were doing. They had to go to their jobs, support their family and kids, and then come home and do the dishes, help with classwork, wash clothes and help with all the chores AFTER working all day at a 9-5 job. And with the way many males are portrayed on media, it's not "Father Knows Best" anymore. Even though the real reason was that I was not attracted to women, the easy excuse I gave to deflect all the inquiries as to why I was not marrying was simple and valid:

    The deal was not good enough any more.

    People would be taken aback by that answer (but they wouldn't argue it either.)

    This site seems to embody my defense and what is said above:

    The deal is just not good enough anymore to warrant a male doing it.

    On the other hand, evolution does not care. The woman has the ultimate trump card: reproduction and there will always be some males out there who will "do and give anything" to be the guy to reproduce with a woman. So the choice these days seems to be to give up your "maleness" and dance to the tune of the woman or face "genetic oblivion". I think a lot of good males are now facing genetic oblivion because "the deal just isn't good enough anymore." Women have overreached.

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    Re: GoingYourOwnWay.com - Principles

    The comment from lsparli2 above confirms me in the opinion that this thread should be closed.

    This is like the Constitution of this site. Further comment is not necessary.

    If any of our Administrators or Moderators care to reopen it, that's up to them.
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