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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    Well yes, it's very ironic that feminists attack our "toxic masculinity", but when they try to shame us into doing something or into behaving in a certain way, they attack in a way that insinuates a lack of masculinity, that apparently should be a part of us after all.
    ironic isn't the word..... I think "paradox" is more fitting...
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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    I am tempted to say what makes a man a man is simply having a penis, but then I thought of Caitlyn Jenner.

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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    The biological definition is to have a Y chromosome, male genitalia and to have finished puberty. That makes an adult male, which we call a man. As far as I am concerned, anything else is just made up by society. And recently, the "anything else" is starting to get ridiculous.

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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Dear Chbedok,

    I REALLY like what you wrote. I REALLY REALLY relate to what you wrote. And I respect what you wrote.

    Your training was righteous. Your training was powerful. Your training gives you strength that few have. Your training gives you not only insight, clarity of mind, but confidence too. Powerful! Formidable, to say the least!

    But, your training also makes you a Slave. A servant. A person that can be lead around by your honor, & your assigned duty.

    Who is a Man? A leader? or the slave?
    Who is a Man? A planner? or the follower?
    Who is a Man? The schemer? or the blind ideologue? (the term tribalism comes to mind.)

    You have the mind, skill-sets, the honor, as well as clarity of mind to become MORE than a useful servant, a "useful" samurai.

    At the end of your life, or better said: part way through your life, do you want to look up and say: "I used my skills, my sword, for WRONG!" - "My honor made me a useful idiot for those less honorable than I" No? I didn't think so. And while I seriously doubt I am making myself clear, I will say: I know of MANY, MANY, honorable men that look back and are disgusted with the fact that their sharpened skills, their finely honed blade, which easily cut down weaker arguments, were primarily used to aid a perverted cause.

    May I recommend studying philosophy? Both Eastern & Greek?

    In my opinion, a Man is NOT fully a Man, until he understands why he makes the decision he makes, and ALSO understands the "game" that he has been thrust into.

    Clarity of mind & good intentions do NOT replace Truthful Intelligence of the situation. Nor does it give one a "free pass" on Honor.

    What do you think?

    here is a link that some may find interesting, even if it does weaken my points as it focuses only upon ideology:
    .. https://lporiginalg.wordpress.com/20...cal-tribalism/ ....


    Highest regards,




    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    As a Christian, what being a man for me is simply;

    Micah 6:8 says, “He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

    But on a personal note perhaps, if you are not a Christian;

    Being a martial artist, I am particularly drawn to the culture of bushido or the warrior way of the samurai. I prefer eastern warrior codes compared to the chivalric codes because in the east, male and female gender roles were very clear and strictly enforced and as a result, relationships are stable and values are enforced. Which leads to a stable life and governance for the country as a whole. But I digress.

    One of the things that define samurai is service. To be a samurai is to serve, and it can be seen in this phrase;

    'death is lighter than a feather, but duty is heavier than a mountain.'

    Basically, being a man is about one's duty.

    Choosing a cause, or lord to serve and serve to the end. Regardless of what others say or debate. The worth of a man, or samurai, is seen then not in his deeds, but who his deeds serve? Is one serving a worthy lord? Or an unworthy master. Translate this to the thread and one could say that;

    Being a man is serving one's duty to the end. Duty is owed to a cause or lord, and the worth of a man is defined by what cause he strives for, or who he chooses as his lord. Would you choose for your lord the pussy? Or would you choose the way of self-betterment and enlightenment as your lord?

    All in all. Who you serve is what defines you as a man. Serve a woman, become a woman. Serve a man, become a man. Serve God, become God. Serve the way, become the way.
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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    Dear Chbedok,

    I REALLY like what you wrote. I REALLY REALLY relate to what you wrote. And I respect what you wrote.

    Your training was righteous. Your training was powerful. Your training gives you strength that few have. Your training gives you not only insight, clarity of mind, but confidence too. Powerful! Formidable, to say the least!

    But, your training also makes you a Slave. A servant. A person that can be lead around by your honor, & your assigned duty.

    Who is a Man? A leader? or the slave?
    Who is a Man? A planner? or the follower?
    Who is a Man? The schemer? or the blind ideologue? (the term tribalism comes to mind.)

    You have the mind, skill-sets, the honor, as well as clarity of mind to become MORE than a useful servant, a "useful" samurai.

    At the end of your life, or better said: part way through your life, do you want to look up and say: "I used my skills, my sword, for WRONG!" - "My honor made me a useful idiot for those less honorable than I" No? I didn't think so. And while I seriously doubt I am making myself clear, I will say: I know of MANY, MANY, honorable men that look back and are disgusted with the fact that their sharpened skills, their finely honed blade, which easily cut down weaker arguments, were primarily used to aid a perverted cause.

    May I recommend studying philosophy? Both Eastern & Greek?

    In my opinion, a Man is NOT fully a Man, until he understands why he makes the decision he makes, and ALSO understands the "game" that he has been thrust into.

    Clarity of mind & good intentions do NOT replace Truthful Intelligence of the situation. Nor does it give one a "free pass" on Honor.

    What do you think?

    here is a link that some may find interesting, even if it does weaken my points as it focuses only upon ideology:
    .. https://lporiginalg.wordpress.com/20...cal-tribalism/ ....


    Highest regards,

    The issue you are raising I think, is the issue of blind honor or faith. And while that is a risk, blindness is a result of CULTURE compared to TRAINING.


    Training is merely a tool, swinging a sword, throwing a punch or a person, is all a matter of physics and bio-mechanics. But it is culture that distinguishes between one person's way of EXPLAINING and EXPRESSING, physics and bio-mechanics from another. It is a paradox or irony really; That to become skilled, culture and technique must go hand-in-hand. Only by combining the two can one transcend technical expertise and grasp mastery of oneself. However, there is a difficulty to separate culture and training when passing on the knowledge to others, which results in blind following and faith as a result, leading to failure to explain or justify one's training when challenged. But training BY ITSELF would not lead to blind faith or honor. It must be coupled with a societal culture and values before it can lead to that. On a side note, this is why a samurai's or any warrior class's training would include studying of philosophy and literature as well. To avoid this blind following and faith in technique without being able to justify why a technique works. But as the literature read would be culturally accepted literature, this would further lead into blind honor. Ironic really.


    All men in general serve something. Once again, culture defines what is 'good/socially acceptable to serve' as it were. So instead of following what is dictated by cultural and societal norms, a man should choose to serve his own purpose. And that, like you say, requires intelligence and understanding of self and one's self in relation to others.


    In all, I disagree on the part that training makes slaves of men. Culture does that, but training alone I believe, empowers men to make their own decisions independent of others.


    I however agree that a man must be able to understand and clearly describe why he chooses to make a certain decision, however that must be placed in relation to a purpose served. After all; 'If one does not stand for something, one falls for everything."

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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    The issue you are raising I think, is the issue of blind honor or faith. And while that is a risk, blindness is a result of CULTURE compared to TRAINING....


    Training is merely a tool...


    All men in general serve something....


    In all, I disagree on the part that training makes slaves of men... Culture does that..

    I however agree that a man must be able to understand and clearly describe why he chooses to make a certain decision, however that must be placed in relation to a purpose served. After all; 'If one does not stand for something, one falls for everything."
    Very well said. Except:

    - ALL training has a culture. ALL of it. There is NOT one without it. This is why self study is REQUIRED, to rise above the group indoctrination.

    . US Marine corp: massive training; warrior head to toe; massively insular culture (all about being beta, useful tools)

    . Taekwondo: moderate training; high intensity; like other Korean martial arts I studied, they really stress loyalty to the dojo .... and, yes you guessed it: to the Korean Flag!!! (fuk that, you won't see me bowing to the National flag of S. Korea.)

    . Chinese arts: Founder worship (loyalty to the style) as well as ancestor worship. Required subjugation to "before born"

    Again, I agree with you.... BUT, all training, ALL TRAINING, is indoctrination. And, because of the HARDSHIP, and massive Discipline, this indoctrination is far far far WORSE than any other kind of training. It can be (though not necessarily) FAR worse even than the 12 years of indoctrination one receives in public education.

    One can not really know how bad the indoctrination is until is is completely broken. Only then can one choose for themselves how right or wrong their loyalties were, and whether to take them up again.

    Yes? No? Maybe?
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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    Very well said. Except:

    - ALL training has a culture. ALL of it. There is NOT one without it. This is why self study is REQUIRED, to rise above the group indoctrination.

    . US Marine corp: massive training; warrior head to toe; massively insular culture (all about being beta, useful tools)

    . Taekwondo: moderate training; high intensity; like other Korean martial arts I studied, they really stress loyalty to the dojo .... and, yes you guessed it: to the Korean Flag!!! (fuk that, you won't see me bowing to the National flag of S. Korea.)

    . Chinese arts: Founder worship (loyalty to the style) as well as ancestor worship. Required subjugation to "before born"

    Again, I agree with you.... BUT, all training, ALL TRAINING, is indoctrination. And, because of the HARDSHIP, and massive Discipline, this indoctrination is far far far WORSE than any other kind of training. It can be (though not necessarily) FAR worse even than the 12 years of indoctrination one receives in public education.

    One can not really know how bad the indoctrination is until is is completely broken. Only then can one choose for themselves how right or wrong their loyalties were, and whether to take them up again.

    Yes? No? Maybe?

    Can't disagree. Training and culture go hand in hand. Can't separate one from the other. But I would say that it is better to have training anyway.

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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. You are the man -- Literally!

    Those skills, that capability can not be stolen from you (unless they physically break your body, your bones.)

    But, millions, no BILLIONS, of people "give" that power, their personal & individual power away.

    That is what the Red Pill is about: changing that equation.

    My point: Waking up (red pill reference) is only the first step.

    Again: I'd recommend studying: Eastern philosophy; Greek philosophy; Kelly Jones00; & maybe some Henry David Thoreau for good measure. It takes a long - long time for the meaning of this stuff to sink in. For it to get in through the cracks of our cultural indoctrination.

    just my opinion; but who am i?

    Highest regards!



    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    Can't disagree. Training and culture go hand in hand. Can't separate one from the other. But I would say that it is better to have training anyway.
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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    p.s. I add that part about Kelly Jones00 as she immediately breaks through the bullshit of the female imperative
    (and the damage it has done to the world, to honor, to dignity, to freedom, to rational thought, as well as cultural behaviors, & gender specific laws.)

    link: https://youtu.be/-IkDJbjDiUA?list=PLF41ED42B2C499835
    (youtube playlist titled Misogynistic Literature)
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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Don't care. I'm just not interested in being a Real Man™, no matter who is proposing a definition of manhood that I'm supposed to live up to.

    I'm happy at "functioning adult". It's My Own Way, and I'm Going it.
    Totally agree.I have never been accepted as a "man",and dont have any alpha-traits,
    but since Im a MGTOW and a GHOST, I dont give a fuck about the validation of either,
    men or woman.

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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskorteprinsen View Post
    Totally agree.I have never been accepted as a "man",and dont have any alpha-traits,
    but since Im a MGTOW and a GHOST, I dont give a fuck about the validation of either,
    men or woman.
    People have mixed reactions to me, but the bros don't give me any "man points" because I don't care about sports, cars, or ranting about which women I want to bang.

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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    the same qualities of 'being a man' are qualities of having a job, income, or resources to survive.

    need muscles? possibly.
    need brains? yes.
    need friends? possibly.
    need skills? possibly.

    need food? yes.
    need money? possibly.
    need clothing? ...yes.
    need shelter (from the elements)? yes.

    need offspring? no.
    need wife? no.
    need mistress or prostitute? possibly.

    need something to do to 'pass the time', aka a hobby? yes.

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    Re: What makes a man a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    With today's many misconceptions about what makes a man a man I'm curious as to how this forum regards what constitues a "real man".
    A man (of either sex) is someone who:

    - Stands on his own feet.
    - Can fix, repair, or at least replace anything he owns without assistance.
    - Can put a dying animal out of its misery, though it troubles him deeply to do it (psychopaths aren't men).
    - Can be insulted without returning sentiments.
    - Doesn't require nor prefer "safe spaces".
    - Has a sense of fairness (ie would never want to win by handicap or accident).
    - Strives to maintain integrity and character.
    - Never goes back on his word (which consequently means he shows up on time).
    - Is able to admit when he is wrong.
    - Does not submit, follow, obey except to God and reason.
    - Takes risks. If he's scared of heights, he climbs the ladder.

    In summary, a man does the thing that is most difficult.



    In contrast, a woman (of either sex) is someone who:

    - Depends on others.
    - Can't fix shit (see above).
    - Couldn't kill a spider.
    - Is spiteful.
    - Has no self-esteem, requires constant reassurance, compliments, and "safe spaces" to shield her fragile ego.
    - Is a moral relativist. What's good for the gander is only what's good for the goose.
    - Concerns herself more with image than integrity.
    - Is never on time.
    - Is never wrong (fragile ego).
    - Submits to authority and jumps through hoops.
    - Prefers a safe alternative.

    In summary, a woman chooses the easy route.



    And that is why women (of either sex) should not be in government, including the government of the family.


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