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    Re: Immortality

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    Isnt it the irony of life that we complain about how dreary,cruel and repetitive life is and yet we desire to extend it to considerable lengths. Sometimes I wonder if what people really seek is not so much immortality as it is a life long enough to become disillusioned with the craving for extending ones existence.
    I think you have a point. Toddlers don't want to go to bed because they're still full of the wonder of life and want to keep experiencing everything they can, even if they're so tired they're miserable.

    Maybe a time will come when I'll be too tired of life that I just want to lay down and rest in the earth. But today is not that day.

    As far as misery? Why do men keep dating women, even knowing the misery? Because they have hope regarding what it could be.
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    Re: Immortality

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    Isnt it the irony of life that we complain about how dreary,cruel and repetitive life is and yet we desire to extend it to considerable lengths.
    When many people speak of attaining immortality, I think they are implicitly saying that they desire eternal bliss. However, is such a state possible—even in an ideal universe? How could we experience any phenomenon—any state of mind—if we never encountered its antithesis? How can light exist without darkness? How can anything exist in complete isolation? Do not all phenomena only exist in relation to each other? If the universe were ever reduced to a monistic state, then it would essentially cease to exist.

    While I hate to admit it, the same general principle must also apply to our conceptions of ‘joy’ and ‘suffering’. If some being only experienced joy throughout his entire existence, he would essentially be dwelling in a vacuous state. In other words, without some form of suffering, the experience of joy would not be possible. Without opposition, all of our concepts—and more importantly all of our experiences—would be devoid of reality. To experience the same state forever, without some fundamental variation, would be a null and empty form of being.
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    Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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    Re: Immortality

    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    I think you have a point. Toddlers don't want to go to bed because they're still full of the wonder of life and want to keep experiencing everything they can, even if they're so tired they're miserable.

    Maybe a time will come when I'll be too tired of life that I just want to lay down and rest in the earth. But today is not that day.

    As far as misery? Why do men keep dating women, even knowing the misery? Because they have hope regarding what it could be.


    True about children having that excitement due to the novel nature of things... I have known 2 people who lived over a hundred and the consistent thing I noticed is the pleasures they sought became fewer and far between. Usually they would even be the ones raising up discussions of how they want their funerals to be arranged,it would have been morbid if it wasnt that they seemed not to View it as something to dread.



    I think in the long run hope is the one factor that has made the human race succeed most and also have the worst failings when overindulgence in wishful thinking is regarded as being hopeful...I think to a large extent the acceptance of reality is what makes hope meaningful but humans prefer to create their own fantasies and pin their hopes on them and eventually when the end comes be it the end of life or the hoped for outcome one can only let go grudgingly because we have hardly any claim to satisfaction from the time spent chasing a fantasy...for at that point I would guess one understands that life has been unfulfilling because one chased illusions...just like cotton candy might be nice but it cannot replace a good meal....I would guess that's the difference as one has to have actually participated in reality to leave without grasping.....just some random thoughts and opinions..

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    Re: Immortality

    Good point about people actually desiring not immortality per se but a state of eternal bliss... but that leads me to wonder as you rightfully pointed out that since the nexus between all variations of pleasure and pain or sensations if you will ,can only be perceived ironically through the instrument of physical existence ,then by virtue of that death that people claim not to desire is actually the only state wherein one can be free from the sensations that accompany embodiment...that being the case if death is akin to sleep as is said in some religious traditions then all stands explained...patterns gradually reach a point of extinction and then are reestablished as a point in a continuum of a recurrent pattern called bodily existence...bliss is not being tied to the constraints of any laws which is mildly experienced in sleep but truly experienced when consciousness is not confined by a particular point of reference enforcing separation and thence conflict...sorry went a bit pseudoscientific hope it's not too incoherent..

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    Re: Immortality

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    I do not wish to start a debate so anyone who is religious or believes in souls or the afterlife please stop reading...

    I started thinking the other night about immortality and how it could be achieved through Science. I believe that the human body has no soul. The only 'soul' it has or is, is simply a series of brain connections. These brain connections create a spark. This 'spark' is the essential 'you' which cannot be pictured in the imagination. This spark was created by your brain in all of its complicated brain connections. I do not believe in 'souls' because if we did really have a soul that moved from body to body wouldn't it be justifiable that we would 'remember' these past bodies and experiences?

    Now if all we are is brain connections then we are essentially a organic machine. We are not our body or our brain..the only thing we are is those brain connections which created ourselves. What if before we die our brain was preserved and fed oxygen and blood and everything else it needed - couldn't we be kept alive until we had the technology to do a body transplant ?

    Ok - taking it a step further what about finding those 'brain connections' which make us up. couldn't we somehow transfer those connections to another brain when technology permitted it ? Could we then achieve immortality ? When you think about the body and Science you understand that the body and brain is nothing more than a machine. What if after death those 'connections' were turned back on - we would essentially come back from the dead.

    Taking it a step further one more time.. what if once we have those brain connections which are 'consciousness' what if we found some material or liquid which can preserve and keep it in a timeless state - then once the person is ready to come back to life it is simply connected into a new brain.

    Any thoughts?

    While much is made about the connections and neural pathways that makes the brain the brain. I feel that the original point of origin to a person's consciousness is overlooked. A flow chart, or mind-map for example, must always start from a set point of thought, before branching outwards as necessary. Similarly, there has to be a point where the human consciousness 'starts', before branching outwards as dictated by circumstance and environment. This 'start' is what is most important, a skeleton or format that experiences can be built from and interpreted accordingly.

    It is perfectly possible, theoretically, to recreate a person's neural patterns upon his death and transplant it across bodies. Off the top of my head, nanotechnology and bio-engineering could devise methods to weld the 'circuitry' that makes up a person's personality. The same technology can surely be applied to powering said circuitry. Which I'm sure would be far easier than trying to recreate, down to the strictest neuron, a person's life.

    However, the issue is the programming behind the circuitry. And that is where the most effort must be put; understanding the basic codes which is able to produce an infinite number or reactions, perceptions and experiences against the stimuli of the world. This is the difference then between producing an automaton, and achieving a probable immortality.


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