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    What's the point?

    I am effectively a ghost with only recently realizing there was a concept that describes what I am. First off, I am truly impressed with people that can truly disengage from society and still find happiness or contentment. For me it is all about social darwinism, i. e., if the external world doesn't acknowledge or validate you based on who you are or what you have to offer, then, in a way, you are nothing. It is silly to walk around thinking "if only people knew what a truly unique and original individual I am". One's own self assessment has to be validated by external reality, otherwise it is a delusion. In regards to women, which this forum derives it's existence from, it's the same thing. If women don't want you, that's the external reality and no amount of banging hot thai women, prostitutes, or whatever, will change that. Every man, and woman, wants a relationship built on, amongst other things, mutual desire for one another, but that clearly is not a possibility for a lot of people. My question is why not just self-delete? If one doesn't have the qualities which allows one to thrive in life AND external reality validates those qualities, then what's the point? Career, self improvement, hobbies, blah blah. If the only way one can survive with their sanity intact is to completely disengage from society then what's the point? Our ideas of who we are mean nothing if they can't survive the scrutiny of the real world. Society has already killed you off in a way yet you remain a walking corpse. Why not just finish the job that society started? I'm not here to disparage anyone because my lIfe is complete shit.

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    Re: What's the point?

    Please go to the intro forum and write an introduction before posting elsewhere:
    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-intros/

    Here is a thread on how to do a proper intro:

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-intros/intro-27/
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    Re: What's the point?

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    Re: What's the point?

    I don't understand what that is supposed to imply. I'm a single 46 yo male and I wrote an honest post.

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    Re: What's the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by badusername View Post
    I don't understand what that is supposed to imply. I'm a single 46 yo male and I wrote an honest post.
    If you're still lurking, there's nothing particularly wrong with this post. However, if you blatantly refuse to post an intro as required, call the forum policy "weak" and then demand special treatment on your say-so that you're "not a troll," you'll be banned.

    I am a patient man, but this kind of game-playing doesn't fly.
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    Re: What's the point?

    Can we put this thread in opposing views? Just because he walked into the legion with his hat on doesn't mean he's a goof, just ignorant.

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    Re: What's the point?

    You could have posted this in the opposing view forums instead trolling attempt seems futile but something for lurkers to learn from.

    Anyways you are making multiple arguments and I will split it up into two areas:

    1. Social darwinism is the concept that if isolated long enough social interactions and customs will become different over time from mainstream social and cultural norms. Ghosts are not interested in social interactions or customs or even changing them by isolating themselves or even forming their own communities. Ghosts are singular men going their own way but with a more low key tone and maybe with more skepticism. Arguably from the school of philosophy of cynicism.

    2. External validation only matters if you are interested in procuring more resources. This is the human female reproductive strategy of utilizing external validation to procure resources, and why female peer pressure and support groups rely on this very validation as social currency. Men do not procure resources from external validation primarily in comparison, but through hard work which does not rely on social currency. Some business dynamics may involve social stratification and social validation which may lead to a pay raise for a man. But from the view of men, it is hard work that ultimately decides your pay raise or additional resources generated.

    But then that leads to the natural question? How many resources are necessary for a human being to survive? If you do not have a family to support or children than the amount of resources necessary drives considerably down. This is why ghosting is not exactly a minimalistic lifestyle but it definitely can be, because of increased options when you can spend more time on yourself and not work as hard.

    You kind of hinted around the genetic point of view of things, but ultimately we are all from the same gene pool so technically we are family and also all genetic success if we are alive. Your concern about genetic lineage ending seems illogical from my view, because everything must end. Even our sun, our solar system, etc. But the truth is the genetic lineage we have still lives on in others.

    Failure to me is to seek external validation without rewarding your internal validation first.

    Any man that is happy can not be a failure at life. A man that is not happy at life is the one seeking external validation in the hopes that happiness can be found by others and not by himself. Or in other words you must return your mindset to a child like state and start to love yourself again.

    If loving yourself as a man is a failure at life than I am happy to admit I am a failure.

    To lurkers out there you have a future if you believe in yourself as a man. All things pass. Patience is the social currency a man should leverage not external validation.

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    Re: What's the point?

    I wonít address all the points you made since that has already been done by a previous commentator. However, I will make one more observation: You obviously suffer from depressionófrom a morbid and gloomy disposition mixed with low self-esteem. I suspect, therefore, that much of your world-view is an attempt to project or rationalize what you already feel inside. Perhaps then, you should try taking something to increase you brainís level of serotonin and/or dopamine. After all, itís easy for something which may be chemical in origin to appear like an existential crises.

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    Re: What's the point?

    Translation: "You MGTOWs should just kill yourselves".

    Find a pole and fuck it, Mr Badusername.

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    Re: What's the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by badusername View Post
    My question is why not just self-delete?
    I don't know what that means. Suicide? Are you looking for lazy solutions?

    Quote Originally Posted by badusername View Post
    If one doesn't have the qualities which allows one to thrive in life AND external reality validates those qualities, then what's the point?
    MGTOW do have the qualities which allows one to thrive in life. So, your "if" is no good. I don't know what "external reality" means but it sounds very general such that all that one can create is a no-win reply to it. There is a reality that does validate MGTOW, though, and that's enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by badusername View Post
    If the only way one can survive with their sanity intact is to completely disengage from society then what's the point?
    Well, to have sanity, of course. Here again, though, your "if" and "only" are very limiting, as is your word "completely". No wonder you seem in despair. You paint yourself into a psychological corner, blocking all the exits.

    Quote Originally Posted by badusername View Post
    Our ideas of who we are mean nothing if they can't survive the scrutiny of the real world. Society has already killed you off in a way yet you remain a walking corpse.Why not just finish the job that society started?
    I disagree. Many people have ideas of self that survive scrutiny. You make "scrutiny of the real world" sound like one overarching lens. Like the world is a single groupthink. There are a plethora of scrutinies out there. Dodge the ones you need to dodge. There is plenty of room to breathe, not self-delete.

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    Re: What's the point?

    if the external world doesn't acknowledge or validate you based on who you are or what you have to offer, then, in a way, you are nothing. Society has already killed you off in a way yet you remain a walking corpse. Why not just finish the job that society started?
    You are a femtroll trying to nicely insult and talk MGTOW men into killing themselves. It's obvious in your phrasing.. 'you are nothing', 'society killed you', 'you remain a walking corpse', etc..

    One's own self assessment has to be validated by external reality, otherwise it is a delusion.
    That's the same BULLSHIT i would expect from feminazis attempting to get us all back on the plantation. What use have i for the external telling ME where i belong and what i should be doing? Shouldnt that be my choice, as it should be everyone's?? You are advocating that we should be inquiring other men or women if we can indeed consider ourselves men. What use would i have of another person's opinion about my choices in life? Do they dictate what is a man??? Have they walked in my shoes? They have not... so they are not qualified to dictate my actions, or harass me for my choices.

    You've been spouting this line for years, and now it's time to give it right fucking back to ya, femtroll: Stop oppressing me with your traditional gender roles!
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    Not that I particularly care about your opinions but let me humour you a little...so you are saying Isaac Newton,Nikola Tesla,Schopenhauer,Neitzche, ..., Jesus,.....,Immanuel kant,Beethoven,... just to name a few should have killed themselves because a female was not being supplicated into giving them attention....now look at the world around you and try to define how this world would be if these people never existed...am sure you see how shallow you sound...a man who marries might attain a furtherance of his mortality through his offsprings but a true immortal lives on in the ideas which he gifts to humanity.


    And even if a man does not produce anything of eternal value ,who are you to estimate the worth of his input into the lives of those around him and whether he biologically reproduces or not is irrelevant. In the long run if humanity is merely a means of reproduction then humanity would have achieved nothing of value but because there is more to life than reproduction we have attained heights other creatures are incapable of comprehending.... I think it was queen Victoria who said that if women are allowed a say in society they will turn everything into a question of penises and vaginas ,quite prescient coming from someone who lived centuries ago...oh well




    PS: there are some people who shouldn't be reproducing, so choosing not to reproduce is actually a more responsible decision

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    Re: What's the point?

    What most women can not understand is that men are subjected at early ages of relying on themselves as little boys and it only magnifies as they become adult men. There is very little external validation or support for young males in most western societies. The only western society that may buck that trend somewhat are the Scandinavian countries at early ages of education, but Scandinavian culture eventually mirrors the rest of gynocentric western societies as the men reach adulthood. No wonder Scandinavian men are confused when they reach adulthood and concepts like equality they discover are just buzzwords in a gynocentric system.

    I as a young boy learned I could not rely on external validation and accomplishments as most people did not care. While this was a cruel start to life as it is for many young men it actually ended up being a key benefit to me into becoming a man later in life. This self reliance and determination is what allows me to accomplish things when the chips are stacked against me and all external accomplishments are primarily for me first. If I want to share or help out others that is my choice, but not a choice forced upon me due to societal pressure.

    Women are coddled and showered with external validation at an early age of adolescence, thus when they reach adult hood and they meet some adversity they tend to buckle and rely more on medication or external validation from peer support aka friends.

    It is ironic despite the efforts of society in general to put down young boys and elevate young girls that the boys still rise to a standard that they deem worthy of themselves and not what society thinks. And then despite surviving this adversity they are mocked in turn? Not surprised, but also shows the contempt people have for men just having their own happiness that doesn't include anyone else.

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    Re: What's the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by badusername View Post
    Every man, and woman, wants a relationship built on, amongst other things, mutual desire for one another, but that clearly is not a possibility for a lot of people.
    This sentence is the point where projection derails everything.

    The assumption that one person wants this, does not mean that EVERY person wants this.

    If you can give up assuming that everyone is the same as you are, then it's extremely helpful for understanding different points of view -- such as the point of view that external validation is meaningless words!
    Pain is unavoidable. Suffering is optional.

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    Re: What's the point?

    Basically he is implying that women don't want mgtow men and that we should kill ourselves. That's an outdated rhetoric, honey, get new material.

    Also, from the covert indirect way she types, it's differently a woman.
    Sad, but one day our kids will have to visit museums to see what a lady looks like.

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    Re: What's the point?

    He already got banned with that username .he cant write an intro.

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    Re: What's the point?

    The first thing that stuck out like a sore thumb in that post was depression and a projection of their own misery. I wish you happiness, hope you overcome your depression and I hope that the darkness you feel becomes the catalyst that propels you into the light.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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    Re: What's the point?

    Thanks for sharing


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