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    "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    Stop the world, I want to get off ...

    An e-mail from CAFE (equalitycanada.com) about a gender-equality discussion they entered on Tête-à-Tête led me, by paths I probably shouldn't have followed, to this:


    Labor Of Love: The Story Of One Man's Extraordinary Pregnancy


    TL-DR: Female-to-male transsexual Thomas Beatie re-gendered to male, and married a woman who, as it turned out, couldn't have children. Thomas still had all his female plumbing, and he chose to give birth to their child - amidst great controversy, the first time through; quietly un-noticed during his second and third pregnancies.

    When I first saw this, my response was:



    But after I boiled over ... I'm still like WTF, but ...

    I started this in Rant, but I'm moving it to Opposing Views in hopes Tarnished will weigh in.

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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    my head exploded when bruce jenner told everyone he/she is a she. why do that, it defeats the whole point. i knows trans guys who deny they ever knew me before they started taking their chemicals to get round bodies.

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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    One man's extraordinary journey. Not quite. One woman's extraordinary journey, sure.

    A woman with a haircut and a double mastectomy and on a daily diet of T has a baby via artificial insemination.

    Restated, a woman diddles with her body. She'll never be a bio-male or that newest of hip terms: cisgendered.

    She's still a woman to me, just uglier. Here are other women who diddle with their bodies:

    xkremes.jpg

    P.S. Beatie filed for divorce in 2012. In Nov 2014 she was charged with felony stalking of her ex-wife. Some things you can't change with cosmetics.
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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    Quote Originally Posted by wool.wizard View Post
    my head exploded when bruce jenner told everyone he/she is a she. why do that, it defeats the whole point. i knows trans guys who deny they ever knew me before they started taking their chemicals to get round bodies.
    I guess this is proof that being around the Kardashians is hazardous to one's mental health....
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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    One man's extraordinary journey. Not quite. One woman's extraordinary journey, sure.

    A woman with a haircut and a double mastectomy and on a daily diet of T has a baby via artificial insemination.

    Restated, a woman diddles with her body. She'll never be a bio-male or that newest of hip terms: cisgendered.

    She's still a woman to me, just uglier. Here are other women who diddle with their bodies:

    xkremes.jpg

    P.S. Beatie filed for divorce in 2012. In Nov 2014 she was charged with felony stalking of her ex-wife. Some things you can't change with cosmetics.
    i wonder if she had to stop taking T during her pregnancy?

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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    Quote Originally Posted by wool.wizard View Post
    i wonder if she had to stop taking T during her pregnancy?
    You know, I was wondering that myself. Let me quickly grab some info from two websites:

    Though during the first few weeks of fetal development your baby's internal and external genital structures are the same, the organs will eventually change. Your baby's gonads will either become ovaries or testicles. The phallus will become either a clitoris or a penis, and the genital folds will become either labia or scrotum. This all depends whether or not testosterone is present. Testosterone will be present in embryos with a Y chromosome, and male sex organs will begin to form. If testosterone is not present, female organs will develop, making female the "default sex" for human beings.
    Testosterone, when released in the womb, causes the development of male sex organs (at 7 weeks) and acts upon the hypothalamus which results in the masculinization of the brain.
    So, if an embryo has an X chromosome while the mother is taking T, is her T being "released in the womb"? Brief googling did not provide me the sex of her three children as well.

    Hmm.. if ingesting T is all it took to produce a male child, wouldn't we have known that by now? For instance, through knowledge of countries like China who prefer male babies?

    Or did you mean something less specific, like refraining from T during pregnancy to avoid ANY possible weird effects?
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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    It really bugs me when people are referred to by the wrong gender pronoun.

    A woman who has some sort of gender reassignment surgery or treatment or whatever is no more a man than I would be an ape with some radical body-hair growth treatment and plastic surgery to my face.

    Saying a "man" has carried a baby to term is dishonest. It's as dishonest as making me resemble an ape and then saying an "ape" has learned to speak just as any human can.

    She's not a man. She's pregnant because she's a woman doing what women can do. Just like I wouldn't be an ape, I'd just be a human doing what any human can do.
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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    I thought it would mess things up.

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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    Quote Originally Posted by wool.wizard View Post
    I thought it would mess things up.
    It already has, seems to me, if her latest felony arrest is any harbinger. Sorry to say, but I risk a guess that Beatie's life will be unsatisfactory to her over the years.
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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    There are six billion people on this planet.

    This is one person.

    On the scale of things that matter, it doesn't.

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    Re: "Trans man" gives birth, not once, but three times

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Stop the world, I want to get off ...

    An e-mail from CAFE (equalitycanada.com) about a gender-equality discussion they entered on Tête-à-Tête led me, by paths I probably shouldn't have followed, to this:


    Labor Of Love: The Story Of One Man's Extraordinary Pregnancy


    TL-DR: Female-to-male transsexual Thomas Beatie re-gendered to male, and married a woman who, as it turned out, couldn't have children. Thomas still had all his female plumbing, and he chose to give birth to their child - amidst great controversy, the first time through; quietly un-noticed during his second and third pregnancies.

    When I first saw this, my response was:



    But after I boiled over ... I'm still like WTF, but ...

    I started this in Rant, but I'm moving it to Opposing Views in hopes Tarnished will weigh in.

    Presented for your entertainment ...
    Thank you for that, Beijaflor.
    Sorry for not stopping by so much as of late, working 60+ hours a week has been draining, and even led me to put my blog on a hiatus for a bit. Still trying to get the MGTOW word out, though...

    Alright, about this topic:

    What the fuck?

    Seriously, it makes very little sense, but perhaps my gender dysphoria is stronger than this person's. I cannot even imagine giving birth once...much less 3 times. The entire concept of pregnancy and childbirth is, quite frankly, terrifying to the extreme and would result in so much dissonance and body-horror that I'd likely off myself if the morning after pill weren't available. Luckily my FwB is vasectomized, so there's no threat of this ever occurring. It's also the reason I plan on having a tubaligation as soon as I turn 35 (most doctors refuse to do this while a woman is in her childbearing years as it is extremely invasive and difficult to reverse, so I've at least 5 more years to wait). I'd sooner have a hand amputated than be forced to live through 9 months of pregnancy. No joke.

    I'm not the type to say that trans-men are the same as cis-men. I understand and acknowledge that no matter how much I could alter my body to look masculine (which I don't do for the sake of my FwB or family, but would very much like to) my chromosomes will still be 2X. I'll still have a clitoris and fallopian tubes and skein glands rather than a penis and vas deferens and a prostate. Hey...not my fault I was born this way, nobody asked me.

    However, what such an alteration *would* do, if successful and not an utter train wreck as some have haphazardly done, is allow me to present as a male. Probably a young and somewhat "pretty" man, but a male nonetheless. This is what my end goal would be...to be treated as a man by the world, with all the joy and pain it brings. Having a real body that matches my brain would be a godsend. Having a body that successfully presents as my brain would be the next best thing.

    The trans-man above could have very good reasons for getting pregnant rather than adopting or using a surrogate like any other heterosexual couple would. However, willingly getting pregnant...a state of being that is solely for the female of our species...numerous times just seems weird. How does he deal with donating so much of his supposedly male life to pursuits of childbirth and ob/gyn visits and just pregnancy in general? It’s highly confusing and more than a little suspect.


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