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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyAustrian View Post
    No, after 4 decades of feminism men can cook, clean, iron their own shirts and understand even less what the women around them were always complaining about that hard "housework"

    Forget it, women kicked themselves into their collective butts with feminism and only showed us how horrible useless they all are.

    Except for bearing children (they suck at raising them) .. which, with ap. 3 billion people on the globe that would really like to come here is not a function that is needed much.
    Mostly men invented "machines" (washing machine, dishwasher, vacuum cleaner, electric iron, 'modern' kitchen equipment etc.) to do the housework fast and without sweating. For shopping they are driving with a car to a supermarket. Or they can order by internet online shopping.

    Their complaining is a charade! These "modern" women haven't (probably) enough time for Facebook or meeting with other women while men are working.

    As a freelancer I am sometimes doing the supermarket shopping at 12 o'clock very speedy. Then I can witness many many "super hard working" housewives. In a slowly manner they are watching this and inspecting that product. Or sitting with other women now to chat and eat ice cream or they are constantly using their stupid phones (to 'play' Facebook).

    Later a newspaper article will describe the modern housewife with a workload of 12 hours a day ...and demands appreciation. Let us award women with the purple heart. Hahahaha

    I remember an episode of Al Bundy. A newspaper demanded 70.000$ (?) for housewives. Then Al Bundy returned from work and Peggy slept on the couch with a remote control in her hand.

    By the way: A neighbour died with a remote control in her hand, while her husband was at work. She always looked like one of Al Bundy's female customers. She was even too lazy to take her dog for a 15 minute walk...

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Sara stopped reading because your responds make too much sense for her to comprehend. If she doesnt like the answers, then she can't wrap her mind around the reasoning, the logic, the truth.

    It is quite likely that pbisque is correct: That (people like) Sara believes that Men don't really have Civil Rights, Free Will, or Free Speech; And that Women, by default, deserve anything & everything that Men produce, without even having to ask for it. And when Men refuse, they will use Government as a weapon and STEAL from Men.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Sara,

    We absolutely do generalize that all women are the same.

    Now get out there and prove us wrong!
    Yeah.. show us there's no depraved indifference on part of females
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Sara, MGTOW is not gender studies for men at all. What MGTOW is happens to be a reaction to what feminist have done to men through laws and courts. MGTOW is more of a survival reaction than anything else. Now yes you are right that all women are not feminist, however all women do benefit from feminist. So yes even you Sara benefit from feminism.

    Now why is MGTOW different from feminism or gender studies is because of what MGTOW does, actually is in the name, hence Men Going Their Own Way. MGTOW is not even trying to get laws changed or anything like that. Truthfully MGTOW is just guys that figured out that women, like you are not worth the trouble. We don't care if laws are changed or not or whatever else women do. We just want to be left alone, that's it. We really don't care if you agree or disagree with us, we just don't want you in our homes, our life, our wallet. Since I gave up relationships with women I have been able to keep and use more cash on myself than I ever thought possible. Another thing is that I have gotten laid by more women (thanks to the cash) than I ever thought possible. Now aside from these two major perks, I've gotten a lot of other benefits from being MGTOW.

    Feminism and MGTOW are night and day compared to each other. Feminism tries to control other people and is a political movement. MGTOW exercises one right that you fucking feminist have not taken and cannot take, which is the right for a man to tell you "NO". Yes you can make up all the laws you want, however in the end a man still has the right to say "no" to you. Now this may surprise or even upset you dear, however men can live happily without women. No, really it's true. In fact men can live long and happy lives without women. So next time you come up with a comparison like you did, do some research and make a more creditable and logical argument. Most of us won't waste our time like I have on a simple accusation that has it's foundation in pudding.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Sara, I'm not Mr. Right but I'll gladly f*** you until he gets here.
    Oh, I'm sorry I didn't read what you wrote. Was it about shoes?
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by sara View Post
    MGTOW is literally gender studies for men. You guys know that not every woman is a feminist right? Most of us aren't even feminists and against it as well. You are just like feminists generalizing all women and acting like it's biology with no proof.
    [quote]Out of 8,000 male and female participants, 86 per cent of men said they wanted the women in their lives to have equal opportunities - compared to 81 per cent of women, who said they wanted gender equality for themselves.{/quote]

    Sure most people don't identify as feminists but majority of the public both men and women believe in gender equality which feminism claims what they are about.
    I'm a feminist really. Just like Tom Leykis claims he is. You pay for your own shit and I pay for mine own shit. You live at your place and I live at mine. That's equality. Tom Leykis does like to have sex so he is game for sex whereas me I'm asexual so a woman doesn't mean much to me. I have been celebrate for 16 years. I was tired of seeing cheating whores who wanted to sleep with me.

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by chbedok View Post
    "Literally, gender studies for men."

    More like amateur sociology. Or psychology.
    Good post. MGTOW is definitely more akin to sociology and psychology, and this KEY distinction is something I think that outsiders looking in, as well as those professing to be MGTOW but have not truly internalized the message, need to understand.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Philosophy as well, I think
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    A lot of people (like myself) know the definition of feminism, just the definition points towards reaching equality by only focusing on a single gender (female) it even shows it in the name (FEMinism). A lot of us also disagree with the objectification theory, the rape culture theory and most of all the patriarchy theory, central of feminist theory is a patriarchy, which we think (or know, whichever way you want to say it) is non-existent. Sure, there are some men against feminism who are misogynists, but most aren't.
    ALSO, feminists seem to make rape a female issue, rather than a human issue. There's also White Ribbon day where they make domestic abuse seem gendered rather than human.

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Jasmin, Welcome to the group, as part of the process of joining the forum we all go through the process of an introduction post, I have counted 6 posts so far, you really need to focus on an introduction post.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hesiod View Post
    Jasmin, Welcome to the group, as part of the process of joining the forum we all go through the process of an introduction post, I have counted 6 posts so far, you really need to focus on an introduction post.
    Is there no technical way to block a prospective member from posting outside of “New Member Intros”? It could easily resolve a reoccurring issue which only becomes worse with each passing month.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hesiod View Post
    Jasmin, Welcome to the group, as part of the process of joining the forum we all go through the process of an introduction post, I have counted 6 posts so far, you really need to focus on an introduction post.
    Women aren't allowed in the forum proper as per the rules.

    However, as long as she stays in OV, I don't really see an issue.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    As William says, no intros needed for women, but they have to stay in opposing views.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    Sara stopped reading because your responds make too much sense for her to comprehend. If she doesnt like the answers, then she can't wrap her mind around the reasoning, the logic, the truth.

    It is quite likely that pbisque is correct: That (people like) Sara believes that Men don't really have Civil Rights, Free Will, or Free Speech; And that Women, by default, deserve anything & everything that Men produce, without even having to ask for it. And when Men refuse, they will use Government as a weapon and STEAL from Men.
    It's been a while now.

    The fact sara stopped responding shows itself that she really doesn't care about men's well being and having part of the human community as a whole. Clearly she's completely clueless that feminism itself has made her the way she is, or that behavior displayed probably wouldn't have been shown.

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by Agustin View Post
    It's been a while now.

    The fact sara stopped responding shows itself that she really doesn't care about men's well being and having part of the human community as a whole. Clearly she's completely clueless that feminism itself has made her the way she is, or that behavior displayed probably wouldn't have been shown.
    Empathy requires putting yourself in someone else shoes.

    Women don't understand the male hardships because they assume that a career, hobbies, etc are things on tap for males and denied to females. But careers have always been available to females if they have the drive and hobbies are easy to pick up with little effort.

    Women rely on peer support to continue a hobby, career, etc while a man will do want he wants with or even without his friends (eg gaming, sport, hunting, fishing, carpentry, etc).

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Empathy requires putting yourself in someone else shoes.

    Women don't understand the male hardships because they assume that a career, hobbies, etc are things on tap for males and denied to females. But careers have always been available to females if they have the drive and hobbies are easy to pick up with little effort.

    Women rely on peer support to continue a hobby, career, etc while a man will do want he wants with or even without his friends (eg gaming, sport, hunting, fishing, carpentry, etc).


    I think men have to stop trying to carry the blame for female lack of agency. If we look at the roots of how education began,it probably started from tribal societies where the older men taught the younger men the tricks of survival,this then probably graduated to apprenticeship with the demand for specialisation, consequently certain men were more sought after for their skills in certain fields and hence could take on more apprentices...continue on till we come to the present day where universities are established along not too dissimilar lines from the roots. This sketch is obviously just to make a point but I don’t think its too far from the reality, even if none too accurate

    My point is in all this time why didn't the women folk start up their own apprenticeship and if they claim they did in the form of cooking, cleaning and such then why couldn't they have created a similar structure as men did down the ages? The answer is simply because they probably spent more time getting into cat fights than trying to determine whether there was any medicinal virtue to cloves. If all the structures created by men have survived and women mow clamor to be included that is not a sign of subjugation but of lack of self reflection. Why weren't women able to engage in mentorship,who was stopping them? The patriarchy I suppose? But where was this supposed patriarchy when women got together to undermine the values of their society and lead to its eventual downfall? So men were so wicked that they suppressed women when they were being virtuous but allowed them to become
    Vulgar because the armies being totally male could not have subjugated any such insurrection? Tell me another story .

    Women have always had freedom,used it irresponsibly and then blamed the outcome on the men. I never took this serious until I read 1984 by Orwell,basically the worst form of tyranny is where the past is erased and you are told to believe what never happened,reality control it was called. How apt that the feminists are doing exactly the same thing,by changing the goal posts when it suits them.

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    The Apex fallacy blinds women when it comes to discussing historical pursuits, careers, and ambitions. They look at the male conquerors or top 10% and argue they have been oppressed. But the women ignore the 90% of other men that are also oppressed by the top 10% of male conquerors along with the women or even worse the men at the bottom of the heap are dead.

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    The Apex fallacy blinds women when it comes to discussing historical pursuits, careers, and ambitions. They look at the male conquerors or top 10% and argue they have been oppressed. But the women ignore the 90% of other men that are also oppressed by the top 10% of male conquerors along with the women or even worse the men at the bottom of the heap are dead.
    Yep. But they won't listen. Apex fallacy, they say, blah blah. Then they publish articles titled "Explaining Privilege to a Broke White Man."

    I should publish an article titled "Explaining Lack-of-Privilege to a Social Justice Warrior"

    Except it wouldn't be an article. Just a blurb:

    Claiming the average man is "privileged" because most of the leaders and oppressors are men is like claiming boys on the playground are "privileged" or otherwise benefiting because the bully is also a boy. Except the bully doesn't care who he's bullying. The boy who's beaten to a pulp certainly isn't privileged, but he certainly is also hurt by the power structure.
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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    Yep. But they won't listen. Apex fallacy, they say, blah blah. Then they publish articles titled "Explaining Privilege to a Broke White Man."

    I should publish an article titled "Explaining Lack-of-Privilege to a Social Justice Warrior"

    Except it wouldn't be an article. Just a blurb:

    Claiming the average man is "privileged" because most of the leaders and oppressors are men is like claiming boys on the playground are "privileged" or otherwise benefiting because the bully is also a boy. Except the bully doesn't care who he's bullying. The boy who's beaten to a pulp certainly isn't privileged, but he certainly is also hurt by the power structure.
    Privilege is a slippery slope, because I have argued it diminishes the values of legal rights. In theory, legal rights should be more ironclad than privileges and also more valuable. This is why Martin Luther King Jr. fought for civil rights. Fighting for privileges was also part of MLK's cause, but not his primary directive, because legal rights are the pinnacle of human dignity.

    I do not consider not being able to drive a car a loss of dignity if I lose my privilege to drive a car because of a DUI. But losing the right to free speech or right to a speedy trial are far more important which is why MLK was such a visionary for his time and understood the big picture of things.

    The reason why privilege is used as a wedge tool or the apex fallacy is because people are tribal by nature and thus try to categorize people into boxes to make themselves feel better or to point out short comings. But the paradigm must shift to the key benefits inherent to everyone, which is everyone is different which is the ultimate privilege as a human being as we are a unique flicker in the strand of time.

    As a mgtow I sometimes feel sorry for those that do not "understand" but I do not see myself as better or privileged. I simply see myself at ease, with a calm of a thousand willows blowing in the air content existing with knowledge that is on tap for anyone to absorb.

    In summary, it is easier to point fingers than to listen with both ears and read with your eyes looking for truth with dignity, respect, and honesty.

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    Re: You people are EXACTLY like feminists

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    Housework is a fucking joke! Not only that but I find that both cooking and cleaning are very calming and meditative. Yes it can be a little bit like exercise as well if there's some really sticky shit on the floor but generally I'd much rather clean than do other kinds of work. But women, especially in middle and upper class households don't even fucking do that! Often times they give their kids to granny, kindergarten, school, daycare, an au-pair etc. Then they get a cleaning lady that cleans the house once a week (sloppily). Then they resort to ordering food, making (semi-)instant food, letting granny cook, getting the kids to clean the dishes etc. Basically they outsource a whole lot of shit. My mother would be the perfect show case for the entitled middle class housewife. And she wasn't even any good at being a mother. But man she's living the fucking dream. Hasn't held a steady job for nearly 3 decades now. Outsources her shit. Spends most of her time on her hobbies. Who wouldn't take that sweet fucking deal? That's why MGTOW say GTFO you fucking TRADCUCKS.

    On a side note I'll admit though that about 3 generations ago there were still women who knew what it was like to work hard, not acting like an entitled little princess and being content with what they have. One of my grandmas spent hours every day in her garden and she was in her eighties! She was also a great cook. My other grandma was essentially a WGTOW in that her husband left her and got a second family, but she wasn't lonely or bitter since she had my mom and her grandsons and tons of friends. She was the chief physician at the local hospital which is by no means a little thing. But those women don't exist anymore and even if they do the search would be too time consuming to be worth it.

    Dude my Great Grandma was a boss in the kitchen. Her husband Help build the US Highway system. California Highways back in the 50s. Lived through WW2 and was born I think just after WW1. Great Depression. All these things made those generations rely more on each other work hard and not to complain when times were good. Times can get so much worse.

    I use a lot of my Great Grandmas recipes still. My mom was trained up by her. Grandma was single and struggling in the 60s and 70s.
    Come to think of it My grandparents generation in at least my family were a bunch of shit. Divorce after failed relationship. My parents being hardened by rough childhood being tied to shitty moms made them work for their collective benefit. And are still married after 34 years and are doing well.

    My generation is fucked.

    Now to the OP. MIGTOW is more in my mind a group therapy and support/discussion movement. As to any one woman being or not being a feminist. We simply don't care. This is about making our personal lives happy. And keeping our faces out of pea troughs. Friends are great though. I have and we have woman friends. But we don't dote on them more than a dude friend. Or chase their sex or approval.

    I don't think equality should be a end goal. You don't ask a short person to reach something up high. But you would need to invent a ladder build the ladder and explain its use. That sounds way harder than to just be nice and ask a tall person to get it down. On the flip side. (as I'm a tall parson) it would not be to much to ask the short person to just reach down and get something low. Or for someone small to fit into a a small space to do a task. It would be next to impossible for a large person to fit into.

    WHAT I'm getting at is there are things everyone is a bit more better for. If that special potential was fully harnessed humanity could progress quite rapidly. As I said the inventing a ladder to solve a simple problem just makes a simple thing take longer and cost more resources.

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