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    Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Hello everyone,

    I wonder if it's just like feminism, racism/antiracism, islamophobia, white male shaming...you have groups of people complaining against others based on criteria that have nothing to do with whether someone is decent or not.

    I think we don't have a problem with decent women who want to be good and we value family as an institution, it's also difficult to believe that honest /dishonest , liar/truthful has to do more with a person's sex than many other relevant things . Maybe with all feminism and slut culture women become vulnerable but it still needs debate..so it's sometimes shocking to read on mgtow forums women are ... women are...I also have to admit that it's not natural nor healthy to be on our own, but i agree on boycotting relationships and working on ourselves till we find a person who is worth it.

    My main point is that we don't need a movement that sounds like men against women but rather a movement that is decent men and women and any group against corrupt elites who are behind destruction of society, family values ,economy ,and have interest in people fighting each other so they never rebel against them... we also don't need to dwell on the ethnical or religious group or sex of those elites if found any

    Thank you

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    My main point is that we don't need a movement that sounds like men against women but rather a movement that is decent men and women and any group against corrupt elites who are behind destruction of society, family values ,economy ,and have interest in people fighting each other so they never rebel against them... we also don't need to dwell on the ethnical or religious group or sex of those elites if found any
    No need to change MGTOW, there is a movement like that already:
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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Noob, don't come storming in here posting your drivel. We're not a movement and we don't seek to change anything. Go join the MRA for that, you're at the wrong address here. If you want to have any further discussion about this, feel free to use the "opposing views" section.
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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    I like your enthusiasm.

    That said, in a way you are right. But, you are also mistaken...

    If I didn't have to worry about getting unfairly screwed by the law, I'd consider going back to the plantation because it is a great ideal.

    But, it is just that: an ideal –a fairytale...

    There is more risk than I am comfortable in dealing with, than rewards...

    It's a gamble and men are selling themselves out to play with the odds stacked heavily against them...Men are ending up ruined, insane, dead, or wishing for death...

    Because of real threats: Biased courts, biased laws, biased law enforcers, that were taught by biased teachers, that learned from biased books, written by biased people, with biased ideas...

    Sure, everyone has an opinion or an ideal but, nobody speaks for me but ME...

    Also, MGTOWs are not all the same. And, it's not all about cutting away from women but, society itself. Most importantly, the parts that are hindering to our own personal happiness...

    Are we not free? Are we, men, not allowed to have standards?

    What really bothers you about the fact that we are able to see a truth that has been covered in lies for so long?

    I too am noticing all of the divide and conquer shit in this world. There are tons of casualties, it's a war really...

    He who benefits from the calamity is potentially the perpetrator...

    No calamity here, though...just a few guys sharing similar stories, helping each other see through the lies, and at the end of the day, chosing what's best for ourselves...

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by miawmiaw View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I wonder if it's just like feminism, racism/antiracism, islamophobia, white male shaming...you have groups of people complaining against others based on criteria that have nothing to do with whether someone is decent or not.
    The system in place allows and encourages disruption of relationships and families.
    Women are incentivized towards destruction of relationships.
    The false equivalency is utter bullshit.

    Maybe you have a problem with people, men in this case, choosing to live their own lives the way they choose without becoming yet another sacrifice to the system and the women it encourages.

    Your concern trolling isn't going to get me or others to step back onto the plantation.

    Quote Originally Posted by miawmiaw View Post
    I think we don't have a problem with decent women who want to be good and we value family as an institution, it's also difficult to believe that honest /dishonest , liar/truthful has to do more with a person's sex than many other relevant things .
    As stated before, women are incentivized by the system/government to do just what it is they are doing. Your opinions are just that. opinions... that you have a different opinion and have difficulty believing some things, is your problem - not mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by miawmiaw View Post
    Maybe with all feminism and slut culture women become vulnerable but it still needs debate..so it's sometimes shocking to read on mgtow forums women are ... women are...I also have to admit that it's not natural nor healthy to be on our own, but i agree on boycotting relationships and working on ourselves till we find a person who is worth it.
    1. Women's vulnerability is not my problem. Your attempt to engender some kind of white knight attitude because women are vulnerable is unimpressive to say the least.
    2. What you find shocking doesn't change the reality of the world we live in
    3. It's perfectly natural and healthy to be on our own. That you state that it is not healthy or natural is more trollish bullshit.
    4. Finding a person who is worth it?? Nope. No cohabitation. No marriage. No one is worth losing my freedom and stability.

    Do as you will. Maybe you'll get lucky, but don't come here preaching at everyone else about what we should think and how we should live. You want to sacrifice yourself to the system (US, Canada, Australia, UK, etc.), then you go for it and enjoy the suffering while you're at it.

    Waiting for someone to blow up my life on a whim is not how I will choose to live no matter how much some asshole tells me my choices for living my life are unnatural and unhealthy. Fuck right off with that bullshit.

    Quote Originally Posted by miawmiaw View Post
    My main point is that we don't need a movement that sounds like men against women but rather a movement that is decent men and women and any group against corrupt elites who are behind destruction of society, family values ,economy ,and have interest in people fighting each other so they never rebel against them... we also don't need to dwell on the ethnical or religious group or sex of those elites if found any
    1. This isn't a 'movement'. MGTOW is a natural intelligent response, not a movement as some people try to describe it. It's also not a 'strike'.

    2. Fighting the elites...be a sacrifice and take a chance on a 'good' woman, and if a man gets with a bad woman, he just chose wrong (we all know that one). And no thanks.

    Fighting the elites is already underway. BREXIT is a method of fighting globalism, and hopefully we'll see more of that kind of thought and response from people. There's Globalism, Sovereignty, and Democracy. You can have two, but not all three. That people are rejecting Globalism is a good thing. Either way, the elites and the powers that be already control everything, so just enjoy the decline.

    3. Whatever people decide to discuss, they will damn well discuss, even if someone sees that discussion as dwelling on a certain thing. No topics are off limits - freedom of thought - freedom to discuss and address what people damn well choose to.

    Maybe English isn't your first language. Maybe you didn't expect a negative response, but reread the drivel and attempts at shaming others that you posted...and maybe you'll understand your error(s).

    If you really want to change something. Go change it. Don't come here preaching, all because you have a hard time believing some things or are shocked by certain opinions - pfft. Whatever.
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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by miawmiaw View Post
    Hello everyone,
    Please go to the New Member Intro section and write an introduction.
    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-intros/

    Instructions on how to write and introduction are here:
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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    feel free to use the "opposing views" section.
    I agree, and I moved the thread. Let's see if he does an introduction.
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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    We are the disconnects.

    Occasionally we reconnect to the matrix, but on our own terms and purposes.

    OP sounds like he/sheze is inviting us on the same old skydiving trip, where we are likely to be robbed, arrested for a crime that doesn't exist, or SOL because the parachutes still fail half the time.

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLien View Post
    We are the disconnects.
    Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding !

    The only "movement" I see is the movement to raise my middle finger for a salute towards society.

    Done, enough calories spent


    This, exactly this, is what makes MGTOW one of the most dangerous movements in history and the biggest threat to SJWs and all other groups.

    Because .. you can not blame and shame people that do not care anymore.
    Worse ... there is nothing, nothing more pacifist than a solid "do not give a fuck" attitude.

    "We need a law to punish MGTOWs, they are dangerous to society"
    "What do they do ?"
    "Ermm .. well... they do not care, they do not gather in public, they organize no demonstrations, basically they do .. nothing outside of their personal interests and lives "

    "Well, doing nothing is really hard to sanction"

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    MGTOW isn't a movement. We're like settlers. We just want to make our own lives according to our own rules. We don't build institutions or make laws, we just load up our wagons and go out into the wilderness and go about taming it. Those who want to build institutions or make laws will come in once we've made it relatively safe for them to do so.
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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by miawmiaw View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I wonder if it's just like feminism, racism/antiracism, islamophobia, white male shaming...you have groups of people complaining against others based on criteria that have nothing to do with whether someone is decent or not.

    I think we don't have a problem with decent women who want to be good and we value family as an institution, it's also difficult to believe that honest /dishonest , liar/truthful has to do more with a person's sex than many other relevant things . Maybe with all feminism and slut culture women become vulnerable but it still needs debate..so it's sometimes shocking to read on mgtow forums women are ... women are...I also have to admit that it's not natural nor healthy to be on our own, but i agree on boycotting relationships and working on ourselves till we find a person who is worth it.

    My main point is that we don't need a movement that sounds like men against women but rather a movement that is decent men and women and any group against corrupt elites who are behind destruction of society, family values ,economy ,and have interest in people fighting each other so they never rebel against them... we also don't need to dwell on the ethnical or religious group or sex of those elites if found any

    Thank you
    Hello.

    As others have pointed out MGTOW isn't a movement because it isn't trying to ask a handout from .gov or change things. If things change because MGTOW raised awareness that is fine. If nothing changes then that is also fine.

    Second, your assumption that MGTOW are only concerned about women and how they can wreck a man's life overlooks the greater threats. Those greater threats being the governments in the west that are capable of using violence to enforce their laws as well as white knight men that also utilize violence against other men.

    The goal of feminism = Female reproductive rights, supremacy in gender stratification, and superiority to controlling sexual access.

    Racisim, Islamophobia, white male shaming, etc are all tribal behaviors.. What is a tribal behavior? Remember high school where the cool kids excluded the other kids and the goths formed their own group and the skaters, and nerds formed their own respectively? That is what humanity always has done and will continue to do so.

    MGTOW isn't a group/movement doing things in unison as we as men individually go our own way. Going your own way is different for each man and for some they avoid women while others engage only in dating/one night stands. Then there are other MGTOW that don't like being around men and women or even living in a big city.
    Last edited by Azure Nomad; July 21, 2016 at 1:07 AM.

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLien View Post
    We are the disconnects.

    Occasionally we reconnect to the matrix, but on our own terms and purposes.

    OP sounds like he/sheze is inviting us on the same old skydiving trip, where we are likely to be robbed, arrested for a crime that doesn't exist, or SOL because the parachutes still fail half the time.
    Indeed! For men, marriage is like getting a bunch of guys getting invited to go on a skydiving trip by a bunch of women, where they have to pay to buy the gas, the plane crashes half the time, and there are only enough parachutes for the women.

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    MGTOW reminds me of this:

    Have you heard about these "libertarians?" It is secret plot where they are going to take over the government....and once they do, they leave you alone.

    The "game" is rigged against men. So, we are not playing.

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    We do not attribute virtues to society where they don't exist.
    Most of us do not want to be alone, but this part of the journey is a solo flight . All men should adventure in solitude but to also know they are always wlecomed back... Just like this site.
    We are exploring and finding spiritual gold.
    When people finally realize the inner creates the outer, life won't look like a cracked jar of piss.

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    It's not natural or healthy to be on your own? Yet that is exactly how many married men are...

    One of the main ways Mgtow differ from the average man, is that they have decided to see the truth as opposed to rejecting it in favour of a fairy-tale fantasy. I'd love to believe that there were decent women out there (more than 5 per country) but I watch, I listen and I learn and I am talking about online and offline in the real world. The message is crystal clear, I do not listen to what is said, I watch what is done. You either accept the truth and go your own way or keep on wasting energy searching for that glittery unicorn that will be loyal and loving.

    Once you embrace the truth, you can no longer continue to embrace the lie.
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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by miawmiaw View Post
    Hello everyone,

    My main point is that we don't need a movement that sounds like men against women but rather a movement that is decent men and women and any group against corrupt elites who are behind destruction of society, family values ,economy ,and have interest in people fighting each other so they never rebel against them... we also don't need to dwell on the ethnical or religious group or sex of those elites if found any
    Movement? Like once Al Bundy marched with his group in winter in a circle and holding some signs and shouting funny things?

    Primarily it's my very own lifestyle. I am a dictator & conquerer of my own life. And I am dividing my money and time at will.

    Strategy? MGTOW is more a polite way to say:

    Have a nice day

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    I posted an introduction of me , sorry if sounded bad for you guys
    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...360/#post89953

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    "I think we..."

    There is no we. Especially when you start off with all this "men and women" and NAWALT and concern trolling.

    Let's see if OPs intro post reveals a true MGTOW in the making or just another purple pill victim.

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    MGTOW isn't a movement. We're like settlers. We just want to make our own lives according to our own rules. We don't build institutions or make laws, we just load up our wagons and go out into the wilderness and go about taming it. Those who want to build institutions or make laws will come in once we've made it relatively safe for them to do so.
    Thats fucking beautiful. It should be QFT, nice one.

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    Re: Is mgtow part of a divide and conquer strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    The message is crystal clear, I do not listen to what is said, I watch what is done. You either accept the truth and go your own way or keep on wasting energy searching for that glittery unicorn that will be loyal and loving.

    Once you embrace the truth, you can no longer continue to embrace the lie.
    Exactly. I'm cautious, but my attitude with respect to women ultimately boils down to "prove me wrong". We all know how that goes, I'm still waiting.


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