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    Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    Hello men. Despite my intelligence and positive mindset in almost all walks of life, I can't get past a very basic but disgusting reality.
    How do MGTOW deal with the fact that without a child, everything we claw for in life with our blood, sweat and tears, becomes irrelevant when the casket closes? Doing the surrogate process costs up to $200K, while trying to find a real woman to have a child with, in today's era, is more than a nightmare.

    So what's the answer? Has anyone found it? How can a man have a child without potentially giving up his life savings, due to surrogacy costs and divorce costs, and not deal with a woman who will dump him like yesterday's garbage whenever she pleases?

    Bottom line, I want to continue my legacy, but I can't figure out how. Please help!

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    Re: Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    The only legacy you can possibly leave is delusions in your head about your legacy ...

    Despite your intelligence
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Please read the sticky post in the introductions section titled "How to Intro" and write a proper introduction. If you do not do this before posting further, a mod WILL contact you and ask to do so. This is a necessary step for you to be a registered member on this forum.

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    Re: Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    Quote Originally Posted by logicdoesnotapply View Post
    Hello men. Despite my intelligence and positive mindset in almost all walks of life, I can't get past a very basic but disgusting reality.
    How do MGTOW deal with the fact that without a child, everything we claw for in life with our blood, sweat and tears, becomes irrelevant when the casket closes? Doing the surrogate process costs up to $200K, while trying to find a real woman to have a child with, in today's era, is more than a nightmare.

    So what's the answer? Has anyone found it? How can a man have a child without potentially giving up his life savings, due to surrogacy costs and divorce costs, and not deal with a woman who will dump him like yesterday's garbage whenever she pleases?

    Bottom line, I want to continue my legacy, but I can't figure out how. Please help!
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    Hi!

    Please run - don't walk - to the new member intro subforum and make a post as per the "now to intro" sticky post.

    On the other hand, if you simply wish to undercut the idea of MGTOW, restrict your comments to the "opposing views" subforum.

    In fact, I think I'll move this post there now. I see Unboxxed is right on it … but I'll do it anyway. Just to let people know I'm still around .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Hi!

    Please run - don't walk - to the new member intro subforum and make a post as per the "now to intro" sticky post.

    On the other hand, if you simply wish to undercut the idea of MGTOW, restrict your comments to the "opposing views" subforum.

    In fact, I think I'll move this post there now. I see Unboxxed is right on it … but I'll do it anyway. Just to let people know I'm still around .
    Oh, ok! But I think I should re-open the thread so the discussion can continue in Opposing Views.

    If he doesn't provide a valid Intro this week, I'll close his acct and the discussion will still be there in Opposing Views just like any other non-member's thread.
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    Re: Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    LDNA, your worried about nothing.

    This mudball we live on cant hardly support the people it has now, let alone the ever increasing population we will eventually get. What good will kids do you when they run out of everything and die like fly's? Sorry, but the world cant take what we're doing to it.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    If you're worried about a genetic legacy as a MGTOW, there's a very simple solution: Donate to a spermbank. You'll never know your progeny, but you can be safe in the knowledge that it'll exist, given the shortages of willing donors. But before doing this, be certain that you can remain anonymous. If in the EU, use the "right to be forgotten" legal clauses to force the spermbanks to erase your data once you terminate your association with them.

    But to call a simple example of why a genetic legacy is not the only way to leave a mark: Tesla had no children.
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    I feel like Jake Owens' song "Down to the Honky Tonk" when it comes to my legacy...if I'm going to have one. I'll leave behind a book, two self published albums, and people will remember how I made them feel. Maybe I'll inspire some young kid to go invent the cure for the common cold or something. At any rate, I figure when I'm gone I won't know about any of it, or will I? Hmmmmm. Who needs kids? I've got nieces and grand nephews. They're just as good..
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    Re: Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    The Definition of Legacy: The dictionary would define Legacy as a gift or a bequest, that is handed down, endowed or conveyed from one person to another. It is something descendible one comes into possession of that is transmitted, inherited or received from a predecessor.
    1/ It would appear that a man would have to have something worthy to hand over.
    2/ Unless said man is going to take an active part in his child's upbringing than what is he really handing over or leaving after him? His surname?
    3/ What is man's child grows up to be the exact opposite of him and his beliefs? Is this still a legacy?
    4/ Overall the idea of a legacy is a rich man's luxury, nothing for a working class man to concern himself with.

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    Watching my father pass away implies that I am the legacy carrying the torch but what is there to carry forward? I don't have generation wealth to pass on or big ideas that I will be remembered for. So all that is left is a genetic legacy and most of it will be unnoticed within a 100 years.

    Hard red pill to accept but this is what sucks about knowing the truth.

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    Re: Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    You have to step back before considering a legacy.
    Either one is a nihilist or a religious/purpose guy.

    A man that has nihilistic values would not care about a legacy, because that implies a meaning and a purpose.

    A religious man will care about his "name" and family name. But if he thinks about this, its a form of pride and worldly attachment. Thus you have to value the things of the world, and not take religion very seriously...

    But in my opinion the main question relating to leaving a legacy is if you feel accepted and this society is important to you. In that case it makes sense to contribute to its future, to make it an even better place.

    Unfortunately this society is going down the drain, and I personally no longer feel anything for it. For my descendants I only feel sorry, and try to equip them to deal with this shitty time.

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    Re: Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    Quote Originally Posted by logicdoesnotapply View Post
    How do MGTOW deal with the fact that without a child, everything we claw for in life with our blood, sweat and tears, becomes irrelevant when the casket closes?
    Pfft. Ultimately, we are all worm-food. You can't let that get you down. I mean - the average ancient roman: maybe by chance they happen to have a living great-great-50-generations-great grandkid. Is that the thing that makes the life they lived 2000 years ago worthwhile?

    For that matter, a lot of those married men who think they are passing on a genetic legacy would be unpleasantly surprised if they did the ole DNA test on "their" kids.

    Quote Originally Posted by logicdoesnotapply View Post
    Doing the surrogate process costs up to $200K, while trying to find a real woman to have a child with, in today's era, is more than a nightmare.

    So what's the answer? Has anyone found it? How can a man have a child without potentially giving up his life savings,
    If you really want a kid, there's no point counting the cost. Children (not to mention a wife) consume everything you have. Every single person who became a parent couldn't afford it.

    Quote Originally Posted by logicdoesnotapply View Post
    and not deal with a woman who will dump him like yesterday's garbage whenever she pleases?
    The fact that there's no way around that is kinda the whole point and message of this site.

    Quote Originally Posted by logicdoesnotapply View Post
    Bottom line, I want to continue my legacy, but I can't figure out how. Please help!
    Build an orphanage? Discover a cure for cancer?

    Granted, you can't do either of these things. Neither can I. It's actually a very rare man who manages to leave an enduring mark on the world. I ain't one. You probably aren't, either.

    If life seems empty and meaningless, perhaps find a hobby you enjoy?

    I would also suggest that if you ever do manage to have kids, that you not tell them that you had them because you wanted to leave a legacy. I mean: people would prefer to imagine that they are a product of their parent's love for one another. No one wants to know that they are mostly a product of their parent's vanity.

    Actually: I think that's the salient point. Isn't it just a tiny bit vain to imagine that the world really needs a legacy from you? How different are you from that dude who ran a fertility clinic and was discovered to have been giving all the women his own sperm?

    PS: Jesus. No kids. How about them apples?
    Last edited by Mr Wombat; March 6, 2019 at 2:15 PM.

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    Oh, incidentally - I'm pegging this LDNA as a woman. "My childrunz what I made from my own body is the be-all and end-all of my life, the only worthwhile thing I have ever done!" is distinctly female. Check out any single mother's dating profile for confirmation of this well-known fact.

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    Ok, let me tell you a couple of three things, like they said in the Sopranos, which no woman watched because the scene with Ralphie and Tracee was just too much for them to handle, but when fucking Bianca tells AJ to go fuck himself and he tries to commit suicide, that was totally fine, because they think men are fucking weak pussies who are fucking worthless anyway. If that doesn't prove I've got a dick between my legs and not a pussy, let's go further.

    A Legacy is a multi-dimensional entity, which doesn't just mean fucking money, or houses, or one's last name, or any one such specific shit. It's a combination.
    Balls to the wall, here is the motherfucking problem:

    I'll continue fucking working like a jackoff, accumulating my savings, buying fucking expensive watches, all that good shit, and enjoying it too, why the fuck not? I'll be 65 when I retire. Cool, so at fucking 80, I'll lay in the fucking hospital bed looking at 2 doctors asking me if I have any last words. And what happens next? All the fucking money, houses, watches, etc., will be fucking auctioned off at an estate sale while the fucking vultures buying my shit at 5 cents on the dollar going through my possessions will have a beer that night, and say: "Here is to this fucking moron, the piece of shit who worked his whole life like a fucking idiot, thank goodness for people like him, we now have enough money to not do shit for a year. Hopefully next year another fucking idiot just like this one comes along too."

    If I had a son, I could leave everything to him, instead of throwing it all away. Now the flip side. Why fucking worry about it when I can just retire at 50 and burn through all my money so when I'm dead I'll have nothing anyway so it won't be a problem? Very good, but how the fuck do I know when I'm going to die? How do I know when to start spending like a moron for the ultimate purpose of making sure that when I die, I won't leave shit to anyone?

    If I could pay a surrogate $50K right now to have a son for me and be done with fucking shit, I would. But this shit goes all the way the fuck up to $200K. I could right now but I won't. 10 years later maybe. But I'll be 50. How the fuck is it going to look when a 67 year old fat fuck from Jersey tries to play basketball with his son in a public park? Exactly. Therein is the problem.

    Hopefully this post clears up the fact that I got a dick between my legs, and not something else.
    But back on point, all that shit is good shit but back to the business at hand, with everything I said, what the fuck do you think I should do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Oh, incidentally - I'm pegging this LDNA as a woman. "My childrunz what I made from my own body is the be-all and end-all of my life, the only worthwhile thing I have ever done!" is distinctly female. Check out any single mother's dating profile for confirmation of this well-known fact.

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    Re: Leaving Behind a Legacy As a Man - Depressing

    Quote Originally Posted by logicdoesnotapply View Post
    If I had a son, I could leave everything to him, instead of throwing it all away. Now the flip side. Why fucking worry about it when I can just retire at 50 and burn through all my money so when I'm dead I'll have nothing anyway so it won't be a problem? Very good, but how the fuck do I know when I'm going to die? How do I know when to start spending like a moron for the ultimate purpose of making sure that when I die, I won't leave shit to anyone?

    The thing is, once you "transition to the other side", I doubt you will have such mundane considerations as worrying about who gets the money you left behind.

    There are two attitudes you may have in life towards people: you may want good things to happen for them, or you may want bad things to happen for them.

    Neither of them is particularly useful because we conditioned our own happiness to whatever happens to other people. And the side effect of this is trying to make others do things the way we want, and being unhappy for people acting like people instead of the way we want.

    It is better to be selfish and worry about yourself and what is good for you. So, why worry if others get the spoils from your life? Why give away your possessions to people that dont deserve it? How do you know who deserves it?

    It is best not to worry about it, like a bad tourist visiting a bad third world country that he could not care less: leave your trash behind and trash the place, as long as you dont get caught...

    Lets say that you die and leave your precious possessions to the church and your car to a kid from the neighborhood. Is it better than to leave it to your ungrateful kids and give your car to your obnoxious granddaughter?


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    Another aspect to this is that LDNA is falling into the false dichotomy trap. There are other options, such as setting up a trust that your estate funds which helps some cause YOU believe in. Whether that's helping other men who have become homeless, find homes for deserving Siamese Cats, or restoring historic buildings is your decision. Besides, in this journey of life, you find some man who needs and deserves some of your help before you shuffle off this mortal coil.
    Don't slave away all of your life but do try to plan for the possibility that you are still around at 90. Free men seem to age slower than the blue pill slaves, so you might be surprised at how lightly the years sit on you compared to the beaten down Beta Wallets.

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    Good points too, considering the son/daughter/whoever won't necessarily even appreciate all that's left to them. Hell, they could piss it all away, and I won't be able to do a damn thing about it. I can try raising them right, but fuck, in this fucking millennial bullshit society, I don't even understand half of the shit they do, nor do I think I want to, shit makes no sense - ghosting, trolling, catfishing, and a bunch of other bullshit. Leaving it all to a good cause, that is a worthy idea, and hell, my name will be on the thing, like a charity, or whatever, so it's not like I'll immediately be forgotten. Good stuff, I gotta think about this. Thanks!

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    LDNA- You left a few more bitter red pills on the table you haven't swallowed yet. That is the blue pill bullshit we are all told about, aging, sickness, and dying. Society has lied to us about all that as well.

    Just because you have kids does NOT mean you will have squat left to pass on to them. Not if the health care industry, or the state gets ahold of you for any length of time.

    The worst possible thing that could happen to you, at ANY time in life is the need for a "skilled nursing facility" for an extended stay. AKA as a nursing home. A freak accident or debilitating disease could land you there at ANY age in life. Typical cost is $8000 to $9000 dollars a month. They can bleed you dry in record time. Then they put you in a state run facility. When you finally die THE STATE get's to take your house and anything left of your cash. Your family gets jack shit.

    Even with health insurance its very easy to run up huge medical bills. Many procedures and drugs etc. are not covered. Lot's of people in that boat. Your bank account emptied is the net result.

    I'll leave it there. I could go on an on. Truth of the matter is when it's your turn to die you should hope you just burn out like a light bulb. Poof, and it's all over. A speedy death is about the only way to get out of this word with some cash left to pass along to others.

    Any type of major medical care or long term care and your money is gone my friend. Real damn fast too.
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    O.G. Very good points. Agreed, I know that I swallowed a hell of a lot of blue pills over the years, and filled my brain up with this shit.
    Problem is, I never really took the time to enjoy myself. Fucking work, study, work, and that's it, the years go by.
    That nursing home shit is depressing as hell, but is the reality. What's worse is a kid who visits his dad once a year with the "hi dad, bye dad" bullshit on Thanksgiving. I think the answer is to just enjoy life, stop fucking worrying about what's coming next, because we won't know anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by O.G. View Post
    LDNA- You left a few more bitter red pills on the table you haven't swallowed yet. That is the blue pill bullshit we are all told about, aging, sickness, and dying. Society has lied to us about all that as well.

    Just because you have kids does NOT mean you will have squat left to pass on to them. Not if the health care industry, or the state gets ahold of you for any length of time.

    The worst possible thing that could happen to you, at ANY time in life is the need for a "skilled nursing facility" for an extended stay. AKA as a nursing home. A freak accident or debilitating disease could land you there at ANY age in life. Typical cost is $8000 to $9000 dollars a month. They can bleed you dry in record time. Then they put you in a state run facility. When you finally die THE STATE get's to take your house and anything left of your cash. Your family gets jack shit.

    Even with health insurance its very easy to run up huge medical bills. Many procedures and drugs etc. are not covered. Lot's of people in that boat. Your bank account emptied is the net result.

    I'll leave it there. I could go on an on. Truth of the matter is when it's your turn to die you should hope you just burn out like a light bulb. Poof, and it's all over. A speedy death is about the only way to get out of this word with some cash left to pass along to others.

    Any type of major medical care or long term care and your money is gone my friend. Real damn fast too.


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