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    Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    ...

    and the dating guru subscribers.

    This thread is just for us.
    Use your neg powers and status to prove what you say.
    Or, use your cognition and talent to state a better case and like something
    which empowers you.

    For the record.

    I believe the seventh rule of Fight Club must prevail on
    this thread.

    I don't recommend fighting, but I will admit the inevitability of it.
    Sperm will always compete. That is a law of nature.
    How sperm compete is a law given only to other men, by other men.

    Much respect,

    For the Mods and The Jagr,
    Let the dating gurus have their say,
    so long as they profit nothing here.

    In opposing views, one must fight.
    This is the eighth and final rule.

    In the end, truth must out,
    If we all behave like Gentlemen, it can work out
    well for all of us.

    Please, speak your PEACE.
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    At least make the prize worth the struggle. Whenever I see men pursuing women here in the West, I’m reminded of a flock of seagulls who are fighting for scraps of rancid food inside a trash bin. Are we expected to joust for some globby heap of tattooed putrefaction who has lost any vestige of sweetness or femininity?
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    Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    At least make the prize worth the struggle. Whenever I see men pursuing women here in the West, I’m reminded of a flock of seagulls who are fighting for scraps of rancid food inside a trash bin. Are we expected to joust for some globby heap of tattooed putrefaction who has lost any vestige of sweetness or femininity?
    I've met one such globby heap this year. Short, overweight, not at all attractive, tats and piercings but she didn't smell awful. We were in line chatting a bit.
    She seemed nice at first. Then out of the blue she offered this tidbit of feminista programming.

    "Fat shaming is going away." She said, and looked at my beer gut.
    When she returned my level stare I replied in an even tone and slowed down my words so that she wouldn't miss a single one:

    "The shaming of men will never stop."

    She seemed to consider this point for a moment and her mouth stopped moving all the while.
    The conversation continued, scattered and without direction. She brought up topics only a womens' studies major
    would think were valuable. All controversial media talking points which had nothing to do with productive value.

    I have learned that Feministas and SJW's hate discussing productive value.

    None of the dating gurus (I've read mountains of their writings over the last decade) mention "conversation cullers"-
    you know. Ways to turn off a woman who is clearly trying to get you out of your jeans but doesn't have the guts to
    reach for your zipper.
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    Still waiting for a dating guru to show up on this thread and say anything at all.

    Anyone?
    Anyone at all.

    Any Cake Women want to chime in?
    Come on, you know you want some real honest conversation.
    I'll wait for it, but I won't hold my breath.

    You can post to this thread anonymously, you don't have to join the site.

    I wouldn't call this "Asking for a date", so neither can you.
    Nobody is watching, nobody cares, so go crazy.

    I want you to hit me as hard as you can.
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    Dating gurus are people whose target audience are blue pill men who worship the pussy and would pay anything for it. I think of them as PUAs, except where PUAs specialize in getting you between a woman's legs, dating gurus claim they can help you get in to a relationship. Why would a dating guru waste his/her time on here? Judging by the kind of stuff we post, I think most of us are either Level 4 MGTOWs or a few steps away from being one. As far as I can see, no one here is even remotely interested in getting into a relationship.

    Supply and demand, basically. We aren't demanding their stuff, so they won't supply it to us.
    Marriage is like Russian Roulette. Except your wife put in two more bullets and the death the bullets deliver won't be quick or painless.

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    If you really desire to wage war with the dating gurus , it seems to me that you first have to define the battle lines. What exactly is your point of contention with them?

    Do you believe that “game” is a useless practice because it cannot actually increase a man’s capacity to seduce women? Or do you consider it a waste and dissipation of energy (regardless of the outcome), and that men should focus their attention upon more noble endeavors. Or is it your conviction that PUA culture is fundamentally gynocentric, and thereby keeps men enslaved to women on a physical, emotional and existential level?

    Of course, it’s possible to believe all these things simultaneously. However, for the purpose of debate, there does have to be some clearly defined issues which are being contested.

    Also, you might consider firing the first salvo yourself—in this case a provocative essay attacking game culture (published either here or elsewhere). I’m afraid that few people will “hit you as hard as they can”, unless you manage to give them sufficient provocation.
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    Using PUA for dates....
    Seems as practical as trying to douse a fire with gasoline.
    At least that's my take
    Last edited by Eiji; December 14, 2016 at 10:25 PM.
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    If you really desire to wage war with the dating gurus , it seems to me that you first have to define the battle lines. What exactly is your point of contention with them?
    "Wage war" is a bit strong. I was looking for a lively debate, my main point of contention is the purpose of the dating and courtship rituals we men in the west have long endured, the supposition that those dating and courtship rituals have any required destination or outcome implicit in their forms and customs, and to inquire about the origins of those forms and customs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    Do you believe that “game” is a useless practice because it cannot actually increase a man’s capacity to seduce women? Or do you consider it a waste and dissipation of energy (regardless of the outcome), and that men should focus their attention upon more noble endeavors. Or is it your conviction that PUA culture is fundamentally gynocentric, and thereby keeps men enslaved to women on a physical, emotional and existential level?

    Of course, it’s possible to believe all these things simultaneously. However, for the purpose of debate, there does have to be some clearly defined issues which are being contested.
    Excellent points throughout, MR.

    About game. For a man- as David DeAngelo terms it, "a mans' deep inner game" is extremely valuable to his own life, purpose and deep contentment.
    I have no problem with this advice as it works for MGTOW as well as blue pill types. I consider David a positive dating guru because I have
    found deep contentment from his teachings. As a ghost, this is meaningful and relative to me going my own way.

    From what I gather, "having game" does create some attraction wherein the woman can have a piece on the board and a stake in the outcome.
    The trick to bachelorhood I learned from him was the nature of the game, from any womans' perspective. For example:

    Does she have something to offer him, is the game playful and fun, does she stand a chance at winning, are the type of
    questions going through a womans mind, thus through the mans' "game", therefore she has a chance to demonstrate her value
    by playing his game and introducing hers. This seems to increase sexual tension.

    This set of implied requirements does not work well in game theory, unless employed in a conquest modality or
    the inclusion of hypergamy. Lose/Lose.

    Most girls already had their deep inner game homework finished before they went to kindergarten.
    That is the reason their game is so shallow, simplex, and failing miserably.
    That is why they act the way they do. Women rarely experience any contentment at all.
    That is why they count on, demand from, tax, degrade, defile, harry, harass, shame, and abuse men.

    Women are needy but don't want to seem disabled in their neediness, thus if the
    man needs them first they are automatically deemed worthy. Social status for nothing.

    Personally I consider dating a total waste of time. Others will naturally disagree.
    I'm ok with disagreement, dissent, and free speech, so long as free speech remains
    an equal claim under any law, no matter who wields the power of free speech.
    What I see women do with free speech is disheartening most of the time.
    Small wonder the PUA community exists at all! What else could have occurred?
    All women have the will of a child. Men exist to make children.

    To me, there is no doubt that PUA culture has a set goal in mind, a method of achieving that goal and a scoreboard. It's supposed
    to be perceived as androcentric however it follows a conquest modality which cannot do other than leave hapless victims in its' wake,
    to be gobbled up by socialist and feminist miscreants. Remember gentlemen, house cats are predators posing as pets who are mostly
    unwilling to hold any station for long. They will play you for everything they can get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    Also, you might consider firing the first salvo yourself—in this case a provocative essay attacking game culture (published either here or elsewhere). I’m afraid that few people will “hit you as hard as they can”, unless you manage to give them sufficient provocation.
    I considered the SPLC mislabeling MGTOW as a "hate group" to be the first salvo. I expect others will follow the pithy example set by the SPLC to their doom,
    wielding logic in much the same way that a fish rides a bicycle.

    I did not join this forum to teach hate. I did join this forum to teach, learn and comprehend the wisdom and experience
    of other men who were slighted in similar ways, rose above their circumstances and became their own ideal,
    despite all odds stacked against them by those who wield hatred of others and call it love, law and equality,
    media and justice. No such things exist in truth until men make it happen for themselves, first.

    If this is a salvo, I do not yet know what gauge.

    My deep inner game is not fun. It is not entertaining. It requires work ethics and continual self improvement.

    If women expect to be the center of my eternity, I must be guaranteed sole proprietorship.
    If I slide a dollar into a vending machine, something will come out of it.
    Who does that item belong to?

    Anything less is derelict of duty on behalf of humanity.
    Life comes out of a man first, and must be voluntary to have any power.

    MR- Thank you for throwing the first punch.
    Eiji, thanks for the backup.
    Can we spar together and duke it out without malice?

    Anyone else want in on this?
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    The first terrible, shock and awe level salvo, As requested.

    Just for the dating advice peddlers.


    What if any and all advice about women can only lead a man toward a
    woman who can no longer be adored nor desired?

    What if the mindset of your newsletters and courses is only a repetitive,
    self reinforcing delusion of grandeur of slut banging, bourgeois, status seeking
    among women who we have observed treating us with disdain and contempt
    for delivering exactly what women asked us to provide, over and over? Is this
    precisely what women want from men? Success with women?

    Women scornfully laugh at us for attaining this status among them.

    We have seen it with our own eyes, brothers. The more we succeed with women,
    the more we fail to identify with our own purpose. They hand us our own asses every
    time we play their game.

    Make all you want from it. Go ahead.
    I won't have any of it, so take all you need.

    The PUA perspective suggests I use women because women use men.
    It seems fair at first, but only as long as everyone gets a cookie.
    What happens when everyone doesn't win? Socialism. It's not fair. SJW's
    with all of their bad logic and poor as piss maths. Then, ultimately-

    Competition. The nature of women and the female programmed modality in men,
    reacting in knee jerk fashion to the most urgent of all questions.
    If I do this, will it get me laid? Yes=do, No=don't.

    Contempt must occur on one side or the other, because either one, the other, or both took a side.
    It keeps us fighting for something, rather than making something excellent of our lives, and the lives
    of everyone around us. But for those who have only some pithy Keynesian economic model of
    repetitive consumption to sell, I say this: "Good Luck." According to this ideology and philosophy-

    Doesn't matter who won, the man or the woman. The game was played.
    Only the game matters then. And more games and more players. More for everyone.

    That is one hell of a good selling point.
    Trouble is, it's not working anymore.


    Old men are finding their own way, and teaching young men to do the same.
    It cannot be stopped, inasmuch as it cannot be ascertained and recorded.


    Oh my holy shit, now what?

    Scott, David, et al, and the PUA gurus-

    Now would be a really good time to show up and say something.

    What happens when anybody's' deep inner game accumulates to a zero sum
    which requires decades of work and effort and no substance to show for it?

    I'll wait, but if you don't answer, I need to ask another question honestly-
    Will somebody just punch me in the face already?
    Just tell me to shut the fuck up.

    I can do that too.
    For anyone who can prove that dating is more than a zero sum game.

    Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait. Just post something that proves this
    is wrong. I gave you a positive assumption to kick off the debate.
    The ball is in your court now.
    Let's go!

    LP
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    Re: Just for the Dating "gurus"...

    Quote Originally Posted by LastPriory View Post
    Most girls already had their deep inner game homework finished before they went to kindergarten.
    That is the reason their game is so shallow, simplex, and failing miserably.
    That is why they act the way they do. Women rarely experience any contentment at all.
    That is why they count on, demand from, tax, degrade, defile, harry, harass, shame, and abuse men.
    Women's "game" as defined by Esther Villar

    Women have planned a future for themselves which consists of choosing a man and letting him do all the work. In return for his support, they are prepared to let him make use of their vagina at certain given intervals. The minute a woman has made this decision she ceases to develop her mind.



    Quote Originally Posted by LastPriory View Post
    We have seen it with our own eyes, brothers. The more we succeed with women,
    the more we fail to identify with our own purpose. They hand us our own asses every
    time we play their game.
    Nice Quote!
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