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    Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    Every few months someone recycles the simplistic notion that MGTOWs ought to go their separate ways and not congregate. It stems from a misapprehension of what MGTOW is.





    There are times when uninformed observers comment on MGTOW in a way that is bereft of judgment. It is typically a glib remark that wholly misunderstands what MGTOW is about. But when it is repeated ad nauseum, I need to say something. In this case, it goes something like "Well, I'm fine if people want to be MGTOW. But if they were truly going their own way, why do they need to talk about it all the time online."

    This observation stems from a total misunderstanding of MGTOW. Here's what is happening: they interpret the acronym literally - as men entirely disconnecting from society and other human beings. A very simplistic assessment of what MGTOW is, and one that is fundamentally wrong.

    MGTOW does not mean living a solitary life in a Unabomber shack. However, MGTOW is not a movement. It's not an organization or a group. So, then what is it.........?

    MGTOW as Observation, Philosophy and Life Skills
    A key reason MGTOWs congregate is to examine the world as it is, women as they are, relationships as they've become. Every day we add to our own awareness of the actuality of women as they are, and the changing nature of relationships. It's done through observation and analysis. We discuss society's bias, approval-seeking behavior by other men, misandrist behavior by corporations, pop culture. A MGTOW community is the antidote to a culture saturated in blue pill BS. MGTOWs
    are just about the only men who can objectively observe the descent of female behavior, due to feminism, because we're just about the only men who've tamed our sexual instinct. All other men are either too consumed by their sex drive to fault women (PUAs), following their sex drive into a bad decision (blue pillers) or trying to rationalize the bad decision they already made (guy with GF, married man).

    What our well-meaning but confused observers call 'complaining' is explaining. The culture is the water we swim in. Even if we ignore its dictates, feminist talking points find their way into everything from movie plot lines to signs at work. We observe, critique, and minimize the negative influence of an often ridiculously biased culture against us. MGTOWs are observers of culture; and its this keenly observant nature that allowed us to see the off-ramp from mainstream idiocy. We continue to keep our eyes open; that's the only way to navigate a world where 90% of the people (men and women) around us are sleepwalking with blue-pill feminist programming running through their minds.


    MGTOW is Awareness...leading to a Unique Lifestyle
    It is an awareness that something is very wrong with women today, for reasons we discuss, and that, in response, a man can live a fulfilling life by bucking social norms, defining his sense of self-worth in his own terms (a measure uninfluenced by "success" with women), and pursuing his life goals and interests fully without the compulsion to spend handfuls of time searching a for a "soul mate" that likely doesn't exist in the age of feminism. It is an awareness of the true nature of women and the changing nature of relationships. From this awareness, a culture or lifestyle develops. That is what we discuss. What shape does the culture take? It varies as widely as the participants but includes things like "What is an ideal travel destination for a bachelor?" or sharing ideas on male hobbies or discussing ideal sexual strategy for men in this camp- economizing female options through Recreational Game. MGTOWs are a unique breed- we are men who are unattached and uninterested in becoming attached. As such, we have unique preferences.

    We discuss the topics one would if one's life was unencumbered by mothers-in-laws or arguing over who drives the kids to day care -- philosophy, books, comedy, movies, filing patents, surf trips, lazy weekends. Unlike married men, we actually get to watch movies we enjoy, not whichever movie can you can negotiate your wife to also watch. So we go deeper into these areas.

    To be fair to our critics, much of this living happens offline - something our critics can't see (and therefore lazily don't mentally process) and therefore they focus only on the discussions we have online - which they myopically assume is the totality of our existence.

    To recap, critics mistakenly believe that MGTOW is leaving society and everyone else behind, whereas in reality it is about disregarding society's pressure that a man needs a woman. When we make that singular decision, a different life follows. Though we are all different and take our own path, there is plenty of intersection because we all got off the same off-ramp. And there is much we can share and learn from each other.

    Living Outside the Default Life Script
    Society is set up for people who follow the default life script. That is why there are tons of service providers, travel planning, HR policies for men with families; there are tons of dating/adventure travel options for singles (I use "singles" in terms of men who are unattached but looking to get attached), bars for single people to meet up, dating sites, magazines for young men who are interested in overpaying for the right sunglasses that women are into. When you ignore this life script, you necessarily live an alternative lifestyle- and that requires discussion in order to best navigate it because there aren't well worn contours. We are building that lifestyle and culture thorough our investigations and then sharing it with the wider community.

    For lurkers, here's my "cartoon drawing" example if it's not clear by now. Let's say you broke with a social norm. Let's say you decided to only eat breakfast every meal of the day. Society is set up to serve steak and sushi for dinner, not omelettes. But if you felt there was nothing AM'ish about bacon and waffles, and it was fitting any minute of the day, you may want to share tips with other breakfast-addicts as to which restaurants actually have breakfast options at 9 PM, what places have the best syrup, etc. You would have to talk about it because the standard mainstream restaurant review sites like Yelp largely wouldn't.
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    There are those who don't want MGTOWs to congregate because they don't like what we have to say. It's too painful to hear. There are others who suffer from simple-mindedness and assume the only organizing principle for men is political. But MGTOWs will continue to enjoy one another's camaraderie, share theories & advice, and examine life as a man in our times.




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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    Those are some very good insights Jag. A MGTOW community does matter for the reasons you listed and more. Let's take your "waffle" example to the next step. Let's say that this guy that only likes to eat breakfast is not only finding a place to eat at in the PM difficult, he is also getting ridiculed for eating breakfast at dinnertime. Now this man may become depressed by this, maybe he avoids going out, whatever the case may be he is made to feel less than. Eventually even the most confident man will break down if he is under constant attack by what people perceive as abnormal. However this is just one simple example of a much larger reason. Our world changes everyday, new laws, new norms, changes all around us. The one thing in life we can expect as being constant is change. A MGTOW community is able to pass along information to each other about these changes, both good and bad. Someone that says "if your going your own way then go and shut up about it" obviously is very short sighted or scared.

    Silence is golden, if no one talks then no one can hear. Take any court room in any country and you only need one thing to control the outcome. That is having the power to control what evidence is admissible or non-admissible in the court. If you can control the evidence then you can control the outcome. Same thing applies to MGTOW or actually anything similar to MGTOW. If I stop posting here and just "go my own way" and live isolated then both myself and MGTOW as a whole will miss out. What happens if Chairborne finds out about a new law in my area that says a woman can claim any man as a father even if she has never met him? Now if I am unaware of this law, I can be really screwed since I did not take any action to prevent this. The thing is that MGTOW is not so much about bitching how bad women are. It is more about sharing information with each other, things to do, hobbies, idea's and the like. To tell someone to shut up and go their own way is the perfect way to divide and conquer.

    If someone comes to any MGTOW site and only sees complaining about women, they are being short sighted and judging a book by it's cover. We all know that not all women or evil, we also know that not all women do evil acts. The thing is that we do know that all women are capable of doing evil acts. MGTOW is about that awareness and understanding how it applies to us. To simply state "go your own way and shut up" is a misdirection of intent and is operating with tunnel vision. Like I have said before, information is power. It is the power to protect yourself and succeed in life. If one woman takes advantage of me then I might mistakenly think she is just a bad apple. However if I know that all women can take advantage of me if they choose to, then I have information I can use to protect myself however I see fit. Any MGTOW community will always come under attack, this is because of the information we share. Most people probably don't care if we are just sharing about hobbies and things like this. However they do care when we share about repeating the same action over and over again, expecting a different result. To me this is one of the root things that MGTOW as a whole does, breaks the cycle of repeating the same action. Now someone without education may say "Well dummy just pick the right woman", however that woman is not at the root of the problem. The root of the problem is the laws and society as a whole that always views women as a victim even when they are the predator. To silence MGTOW is to stop the spread of this information that "any woman can do this to you". Think about it, no one would ever say take the MDT's and radios out of the cop cars so that they cannot report or respond to crime. However they will cheerfully tell us to stop talking to each other. This is the same reason collage campuses have become so anti-male lately. By cutting off information and education you can keep the slaves on the plantation where they belong.
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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    What happens if Chairborne finds out about a new law in my area that says a woman can claim any man as a father even if she has never met him? Now if I am unaware of this law, I can be really screwed since I did not take any action to prevent this. The thing is that MGTOW is not so much about bitching how bad women are. It is more about sharing information with each other, things to do, hobbies, idea's and the like. To tell someone to shut up and go their own way is the perfect way to divide and conquer.
    I agree 100%

    A MGTOW forum/association is about the only way that more experienced guys can pass their knowledge onto younger guys.

    Try doing this offline.

    Firstly, where are the spaces where men can associate without women being present? Oh that's right, they have been extinguished by law.

    There are still pubs, but they are dropping like flies due to the rigging of the market via pub companies, the smoking ban, and the absurd amount of duty on alcohol.
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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    The MGTOW philosophy is dangerous.

    "Chernobyl" level dangerous.

    Once the idea becomes more popular, expect the NKVD/KGB to clamp down on our ideas.

    Internet censorship, anyone?

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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    Nice, could you make this a sticky? This is a gold mine when explaining MRA about MGTOW because clearly MRA don't have a clue nor does the general public.
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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck View Post
    Nice, could you make this a sticky? This is a gold mine when explaining MRA about MGTOW because clearly MRA don't have a clue nor does the general public.
    Yes, we've made it a sticky.
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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensch View Post
    The MGTOW philosophy is dangerous.

    "Chernobyl" level dangerous.

    Once the idea becomes more popular, expect the NKVD/KGB to clamp down on our ideas.
    I'm surprised the fems have not tried this already.





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    Excellent point about society being set up for those who follow the life script given to them by society, Jag. The MGTOW forums are a gold mine for those of us who have decided to live life different from the pre-packaged life script programmed into every one from a very young age.

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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    I agree 100%

    A MGTOW forum/association is about the only way that more experienced guys can pass their knowledge onto younger guys.

    Try doing this offline.
    Absolutely! Young men need to be made aware of how dangerous it is today to even associate with women.
    “Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather – to call things by their names – total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .” – Cato the Elder

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    Re: Repost: Why a MGTOW community matters

    Quote Originally Posted by djc View Post
    Absolutely! Young men need to be made aware of how dangerous it is today to even associate with women.
    I'm not sure how much danger there is in "associating" with women. We associate with them all day long; as co-workers, as part of our social circle, as part of our family. It's about a balance. It's my hope that MGTOWs learn the actual nature of women and then use it to their advantage in all phases of life with women. A skilled MGTOW knows how to be effective with women in the workplace, is not blindsided, knows not to confide or trust them, doesn't take sides when they play their usual politics, is able to get them to see him as a leader. He does not project defensiveness. He has a growing sense of confidence to see around corners, a self-assuredness that comes from having a common sense (that is today uncommon) about women. That's how I see it anyway.

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