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    The Male Mother Need

    Written by Kyojiro Kagenuma
    Reviewed by Jagrmeister, BeijaFlor March 4, 2014
    Edited: March 5, 2014

    As a Herbivore man that took the Red Pill, I dived deep into the Rabbit Hole and discovered many hard but undeniable truths. Some truths are harder to swallow but those are the ones that truly liberate and expand the mind.

    This is exactly what happened to the world when Galileo Galilei courageously proclaimed that earth was in fact, not the center of the universe to the Church in 1615. He was persecuted by the Roman Inquisition for his thoughts on heliocentrism but he would later achieve the acclaimed title of being the Father of Modern Science.

    The progress we make as thinking men is one where we continually challenge the status quo and discover truths regardless of the overwhelming public opinion. In my humble opinion, there is one truth that is the bitterest pill to swallow but it is the foundation that is needed first and foremost, in order to reject and retaliate against gynocentrism and misandry all at once.

    My aim is to give a compelling argument for the need to recognize and address the topic. If it sparks dissent, debate and discussion that would be welcomed and I urge people to speak their mind and provide convincing arguments for their points so that we may all learn and better ourselves.

    Defining the Male Mother Need

    I would like to start that this notion is not new; many psychologist have postulated that men often project to their partners the idea of them being the mother-figure in the relationship. I will state here that Male Mother Need is not an Oedipus complex; men do not see their partners as mother-figures. I posit that what men truly seek is not another mother but an ideal woman and depending on how far a man allows this ideal to manifest and fester in his thoughts and psyche, different kinds of perversion may result.

    Barbarossaa, in his video “Male Mother Need and Civilizational Draw Stifle Male Individualism” defines Male Mother Need as

    "The propensity for men to believe that there exist his own personal angelic, warm and serenic soul mate and is the cause of much male suffering …"


    What men really seek is their own personal angelic, warm and serenic soul mate. Someone who understands you; who comforts you warmly after a bad day; who lifts your spirit with soft, gentle smiles and kind words of encouragement; who whispers to you how important you are to her, that her life is better because of you and that she is grateful to have you in her life; who acknowledges the arduous work you do and rewards you and only you with her mind, body and soul.

    Yeah, ‘she’ doesn't exist. Herbivore Men simply have an awesome imagination.

    All living beings have a biological imperative to reproduce but as humans we have the ability and capacity to reason and rationalize our behavior and our surroundings and it is this unhealthy idealization of women that brought about the misery that has afflicted us today.

    Whether this ‘ideal’ is natured or nurtured is irrelevant; most men yearn for a mate that matches his own fantasy and he meanders through his life ever searching for that which only exists in his mind. Like it or not, we are biologically predisposed to seek out a partner who we foolishly convince ourselves could fulfill our individual idealistic notion of comfort and affection.

    And until each man confronts this within him, he is in danger of being repeatedly manipulated and deceived by women and the Gynocracy.

    continued
    Last edited by Kyojiro Kagenuma; March 5, 2014 at 6:15 AM. Reason: Edit out Bernard Boursicot

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    The Pussy Pass

    In a more relevant example, we can see the manifestation of this Male Mother Need particularly in two groups of men that are of interest to us; White Knights and Manginae. Both these men are in fact, slaves to their Male Mother Need and project that need onto the various women they hold dear.

    The White Knight, armed with his code of chivalry and gallantry, rides to the rescue of his Fair Maidens whom he sees as pure, wholesome, sinless and righteous. (The Society of Phineas, 2012). White Knights are defenders of women's honour. The Mangina is the wretched servant of the Evil Queen, so enthralled by her beauty and power that he ignores her wickedness and agrees with her every decree. Manginae are collaborators who intellectually support Feminism (Fidelbogen, 2012).

    The White Knight's ideal woman is the Maiden while Mangina's ideal woman is the Queen, regardless whether either or both of them are fair or evil. I would even go so far to say that every man on the Blue Pill has a Male Mother Need that is embedded deep within them wanting to believe their own women – their mothers, sisters, friends and lovers – are the personification of classic Disney Princesses whilst ignoring that they may be or are in fact, Wicked Witches and Evil Stepmothers.

    It is because of the Male Mother Need that such men can accept simplistic and naïve excuses such as ‘Not All Women Are Like That’ and ‘That’s Just the Way Women are.’ And women have played men based on this need. Claiming the ever helpless victim, they thrived on the White Knight’s chivalry and the Mangina’s sympathy to rally to their side even when obvious wrongs are perpetrated; a phenomenon known as the Pussy Pass or the dismissive attitude towards female dysfunction (Bar Bar, 2011).

    The Male Mother Need in these men actually encourages the hypoagency of the Fair Maiden and rewards the solipsism of the Evil Queen. How else do we explain the double standard that when a 27 year old man has sex with a 14 year old girl, he is a rapist and receives 11 years imprisonment but when Debra Lafave, a 27 year old woman has sex with a 14 year old boy, she is merely labelled a sex offender and the prosecution dismissed all charges against her (Goldberg, S 2006).

    How do we explain Rape Shield Laws that protect the false-rape accuser who convicts men based solely on her testimony such as the case of Crystal Mangum and the Dukes Lacrosse Team in 2006? How do we explain the continuing demonization of the falsely accused by members of the public when their innocence had been proven? (Applebome, P 2007) Why no one thought that perhaps Crystal Mangum was a liar who would later went on to murder her boyfriend? (Goldstein, S 2013).

    Green Grass


    “Attachment is in many ways comparable to addiction, a compulsive dependency on external objects or experiences to manufacture an illusion of wholeness. Unfortunately, like other addictions, attachment becomes more intense over time.”
    Mingyur Rinpoche


    For the Herbivore Men, they recognize that the attachment to the ideal women fantasy brought on by man’s inherent Male Mother Need is an addiction. They have seen vagina worshippers and pussy beggars who are no better than addicts, appeasing women for the uncertain and meagre reward of sex to their own self-detriment that may result in work-related deaths and responsibility-driven suicides.

    By being aware and mindful of this inherent need as an apparent addiction, Herbivore Men go through a process of gradual cessation by severing the connection between his happiness and his carnal pleasures. I think it is worth nothing that this is neither a spiritual nor a religious process but rather a strict mental exercise that requires discipline and logic.

    The effect of this cessation, when the need for sex is removed, is that Herbivore Men can truly evaluate the actual value of women base on their intellect, character and behavior without being clouded by chivalry, sympathy or fornication. As women's distasteful attributes become more apparent through fresh insight, it further affirms the Herbivore Man’s resolve to nullify his Male Mother Need and motivates him to reject women and their malfunction.

    Women then would ceased to have control over the Herbivore Man.

    Red Pills


    Women have picked up on the fact that men will accept any form of dysfunctional courtship from women and that has created an environment where females have completely removed the possibility of female perversion from the general consensus.”

    The MGTOWs perspective is to continually disclose women’s malfunction and to denigrate them for their perversion. MGTOW presents to the public that women are capable of and are acting out terrible deeds. The goal is to prove to the rest of men that the idea of the warm, angelic and serenic soul mate is a fiction and an affliction. As further evidence of women’s malfunction and dysfunction surfaces and given the spotlight, it will encourage more men to break free from their own Male Mother Need.

    News such as the one In Texas, where 25 year old Melinda Lynn Muniz was arrested for killing her fiancée’s 2 year old daughter (Kemp, J 2014). Emma Wilson of England who was unanimously found guilty of murdering her 11 month old son (BBC, 2014). Julie Corey of Massachusetts was found guilty of first degree murder for strangling and beating her pregnant friend to death, cutting the baby out of the womb and claiming it as her own (Nye, J 2014).

    With stories like the above, the public will see the true nature of females and men will wake up and wise up to all their ugliness. These examples of female dysfunction need to be made known and widespread to help other men shatter the ideal women fantasy.

    No longer will women get by from a Pussy Pass.

    Conclusion


    Gentlemen, the source of gynocentrism and misandry among men is the Male Mother Need. We need to address it if we hope to bring about the downfall of Feminism and the Gynocracy. By learning to detach ourselves from our own Male Mother Need we are then able to expeditiously identify female dysfunctional behavior while retaining our wits. By keeping abreast of current news and affairs and then continually and vocally exposing women’s malfunction we can condemn and penalize their perverse behavior as well as combating the armies of Gynocracy from their excuses and deflections.

    continued
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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    Reference:
    Applebome, P 2007, After Duke Prosecution..., The New York Times, April 15 2007
    Bar Bar, 2011, Dismissive Male Attitude Towards Female Dysfunction, Youtube, August 11, 2011
    Bar Bar, 2012, Male Mother Need and Civilizational Draw... – Youtube Jan 12, 2012
    BBC, 2014, Callum Wilson Murder: Mother Emma Wilson Jailed For Life, BBC Jan 24, 2014
    Fidelbogen, 2012, The Notorious ‘M’ Word; Mangina! – Counter-Feminist, June 18, 2012
    Goldberg, S 2006, Too Pretty For Prison, The Guardian, March 24, 2006
    Goldstein, S 2013, Crystal Mangum…, New York Daily News, Nov 22, 2013
    Kemp, J 2014, Texas woman killed fiancee’s toddler..., The New York Daily News, Jan 29 2014
    Nye, J 2014, Woman WhoKilled Her Pregnant Friend…, The Daily Mail Feb 13, 2014
    The Society of Phineas, 2012, Defining White Knights and Manginas, Dec 1, 2012
    The Telegraph, 2009, Shi Pei Pu - The Telegraph Jul 3, 2009
    Wadler, J 1993, The True Story of M. Butterfly..., The New York Times, Aug 15, 1993
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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    I think you have a basis for careful analysis of "The Male-Mother Need". Let me get some petty shit out of the way first:

    OH GOD WHAT CITATION FORMAT MAKES YOU CITE THINGS LIKE THAT!

    I'm being beaten to death by the MLA7 format, and intermittently people kick things that look like APA format at my head and think I give a fuck. We probably should look into standardizing a format for MGTOW 101 parent posts. That sounds weird, but whatever.

    I think I want to caution people into rereading The Curious Case of Bernard Boursicot. That's a hard one to initially digest, and took me a little bit in mental gymnastics to properly comprehend. Jesus fucking Christ! That is certainly a powerful need, but I think it goes back a little bit further into a general need of acceptance by women. It's something I've seen recently exaggerated in one man but particularly in all, even myself at times. Couple this with the lubricating bullshit we're fed about one another's internal cultures (sugar and spice vs snips and snails), and you have a cocktail for complete and misinformed judgements.

    In other times, we were generally warned to keep out of one another's lives. The concerns of boys lives lie only with their fathers, as the girls the mothers. However, that is a way to keep a strong family; Strong families thrive on relatively minor strifes in differences and no strifes or differences on major concepts core to propelling the family forward. Structure, but not "helicopter parenting". Strong families are also very difficult to breach, and often represent the most disruptive forward-looking changes in all of history. Strong families are a danger to greedy people. Greedy people seek to exploit the highest forms of control - law in men and... I'm sure there's something that women are ultimately controlled by, but I'll let the women tell me what that is - to drain others to have more for themselves simply to be a conqueror.

    Greedy people are conquerors. They seek to have it simply so it is theirs and no one elses. Strong families are a danger to greedy people. The Male-Mother Need feeds easily to those who are conquerors, whispering that the riches are right there for you to take and then kick it away from you. The conquerors are those who subscribe to this idea that they are the best and no one else is necessary. Feminists are conquerors. They drain their populations only to live ridiculous lifestyles, and teach everyone that to have it their way, all you have to do is the things that they do, which often required disgusting things no regular good human being would do. This perpetuates itself further into a culture if left unchecked, and can rot out an entire culture.

    The answer is the most difficult pill to swallow. Beyond bitter, it simply does not sit right, but is the right solution. Discipline. Not just in yourself, but in your children as well. Look, we're not talking planning your day in 10-minute increments or heinous forms of child torture here. Whoever does that, either one, are both evil and stupid. But it is not unreasonable to have repetition in your day. It is not unreasonable to make a reasonable expectation of the repitition you set up. Reasonable. Like, 15 minutes. Seattle traffic sucks, I give people a slop time of a half hour because it gets that bad, and Seattle's only 30 square fucking miles! It's not unreasonable to keep a schedule. It's unreasonable to try to keep it judiciously within short increments, life doesn't work like that. Bed, wake, homework, chore, curfew and family times are not unreasonable things to expect of a child (as long as you give them all the patience you can to work them into it). Corporal punishment for men and boys [the latter by their fathers only] are a plenty effective method of control when used sparingly and at adequate times.

    This discipline and the respect for corporal punishment's role in raising men has been lost since greedy people sought to destabilize this matrix so that they may draw their carnal pleasure from it. Without having the respect they're supposed to have from their mothers and fathers at home, they try to replace it by placing others in its place. The Male-Mother Need is a partner to Sandman's True Patriarchy (That's where I heard it from, right?), where the real crime is not just in female acceptance, but in elder male acceptance as well. However, to break both of these requires discipline that is usually best taught in an environment with some form of structure, a structure a family is supposed to have. We are not being taught these disciplines anymore. The hardest pill to swallow is learning your own discipline.

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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    Just a little comment about referencing; I already discussed this with College MGTOW in private but for all readers concern, I’m using the Harvard Referencing system that is used in Australia and U.K. and is basically the APA format in the U.S. I actually looked into MLA7 and I don’t mind using it for my future writings but I think the APA/Harvard style is more known(?) so I’m sticking to it for the time being until I get 2 more people asking me to change.

    Next bit

    College MGTOW brought many truly marvellous points that I intend to go through carefully and give my thoughts on them but first, a little foreword.

    My aim for this article is to create a wider awareness in men about the Male Mother Need or as I call it, the Ideal Women Fantasy. A lot of people dismiss it or ignore it and because of that, we don’t correctly deal with this problem in ourselves and society. Of course, as MGTOW pointed out wonderfully in his reply, the Male Mother Need is not the only motivation that drives men; it is more complicated. However, if people walk away acknowledging that the Male Mother Need is real after reading the above article then definitely it has served its purpose.

    I think I want to caution people into rereading The Curious Case of Bernard Boursicot.
    Thank you for this. I was alluding to it in the paragraph before about how psychological can be a load of crock. Bernard Boursicot is an extreme case and readers shouldn’t read too deeply into it. Boursicot is a case study of the dangers of immersing in our own Ideal Woman Fantasy.

    That's a hard one to initially digest, and took me a little bit in mental gymnastics to properly comprehend. Jesus fucking Christ!
    Lol. I know right?

    That is certainly a powerful need, but I think it goes back a little bit further into a general need of acceptance by women.
    Ah see I think it’s the other way around. There exists a general need of acceptance by women because men cling to the Ideal Women Fantasy.

    I think all of us can agree that one of the strongest Biological Imperative of any living being is Reproduction. I also stated that humans have the ability to rationalize their behaviour and surroundings. We have an urge to mate and to get the woman to agree to mate with us, we negotiate and compromise. The Ideal Women Fantasy stems from this urge to mate while the general need of acceptance by women is the negotiation and compromise that we make.

    If we didn’t have this urge to mate, we won’t negotiate or compromise with women

    The general need of acceptance by women is the resulting behaviour we see in White Knights and Manginae. The White Knight always strives to gain the favour of his Fair Maiden; he wants his women to accept him. The Mangina obeys the instructions of his Feminists monarch for the same goal and I believe the reason why they do this is because they have rationalized their own warped fantasy of the women in their life that comes from the urge to mate and be loved by their women.

    White Knights and Manginae wouldn’t have the need to be accepted by women if they simply didn’t idealize and idolize the women in their life and just see them for what they are.

    However, you raised another good point about “the lubricating bullshit we're fed about one another's internal cultures (sugar and spice vs snips and snails), and you have a cocktail for complete and misinformed judgements.” Dude this is gold, seriously. This is the example of the rationalization we give ourselves and to each other due to our Ideal Women Fantasy. It is bullshit because we want our mate to be sugary, spicy and nice but it’s not what women are or want to be.

    This is the thing that we truly need to eliminate.

    The concerns of boys lives lie only with their fathers, as the girls the mothers.
    Well, not in Asia but your point stands.

    However, that is a way to keep a strong family; Strong families thrive on relatively minor strifes in differences and no strifes or differences on major concepts core to propelling the family forward. Structure, but not "helicopter parenting". Strong families are also very difficult to breach, and often represent the most disruptive forward-looking changes in all of history.
    Dude seriously, another gold mine. This is a great commentary on traditionalism and non-traditionalism and Asia is big on traditionalism.

    Greedy people are conquerors.
    Yes.

    Strong families are a danger to greedy people.
    Yes. Manwomanmyth made a series of great video regarding this.

    The Male-Mother Need feeds easily to those who are conquerors.
    Yes.

    The conquerors are those who subscribe to this idea that they are the best and no one else is necessary.
    Yes but I think this is actually part of solipsism which I’m still researching. I’ll get back on this.

    Feminists are conquerors.
    Evil Queens, Wicked Witches and Evil Stepmothers; Yes.

    They drain their populations only to live ridiculous lifestyles, and teach everyone that to have it their way, all you have to do is the things that they do, which often required disgusting things no regular good human being would do.
    Yes, this is part of that rationalization hamster and solipsism that I want to cover.

    The answer is the most difficult pill to swallow. Beyond bitter, it simply does not sit right, but is the right solution. Discipline.
    Booyah

    This discipline and the respect for corporal punishment's role in raising men has been lost since greedy people sought to destabilize this matrix so that they may draw their carnal pleasure from it.
    Fuck, this is another good point and one that I don’t have an informed thought yet.

    The Male-Mother Need is a partner to Sandman's True Patriarchy (That's where I heard it from, right?)
    I haven’t come across that actually, which video is it?

    We are not being taught these disciplines anymore. The hardest pill to swallow is learning your own discipline.
    Awesome.

    To close, I think it’s an appropriate to compare Male Mother Need to Alcoholism and Romance is the Male Mother Need’s equivalent of beer and liquor. When we consume intoxicants and get that buzz, we need to remember that the buzz is temporary and is artificial. We can partake and savour in it but we need to remember that indulging to much in it may cause irreparable harm to one’s future. Not to mention the splitting headache you get from next morning’s hangover.

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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    The Male-Mother Need is a partner to Sandman's True Patriarchy (That's where I heard it from, right?)
    I haven’t come across that actually, which video is it?
    Augh, I don't want to be a dick and misattribute this to someone in any direction. I can't quite recall if it was one of Sandman's videos, but the concept centered around the fact we, to become verified as men, must actually be given that title from the elder man we look up to, whoever that role may be. Vis a vis, girls become women as soon as a biological state change happens, which is nearly guaranteed to happen. This concept defines "True Patriarchy" in the strictest dictionary sense of the word: The Rule of the Father. It's got to be either one of these MGTOW videos or one of these MRA videos I've seen recently. I'll go dig around.

    MGTOWs have the option to reject even this system, and build our own self-worth and meaning entirely independent of all. We break the system even further, as even male shame becomes worthless. If male shaming and female shaming don't work, and there ain't gonna be no corporal punishin' around these parts? We very nearly become our own "Neo"s. And that does not make them happy.

    It totally sounds like it could have come from Sandman in my head, but that's because there's few with quite a composure like he keeps.

    Follow the white rabbit.

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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    A good start on the topic, which perhaps is the most paramount one (and why MGTOW is the only solution compared to what the MRAs are doing, philosophically). Traditional feminism (feminism is feminism, no matter what time it was started) ingrains these things into men from birth, that the thing of paramount importance is the approval of women, degrading of self before women, and utter and total service to women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyojiro Kagenuma View Post
    If we didn’t have this urge to mate, we won’t negotiate or compromise with women
    It's not so much "negotiation or compromise", it's the thought that men were born onto this earth to service women. Marriage is considered an entitlement birthright in the eyes of these women and supplicating men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyojiro Kagenuma View Post
    The general need of acceptance by women is the resulting behaviour we see in White Knights and Manginae. The White Knight always strives to gain the favour of his Fair Maiden; he wants his women to accept him. The Mangina obeys the instructions of his Feminists monarch for the same goal and I believe the reason why they do this is because they have rationalized their own warped fantasy of the women in their life that comes from the urge to mate and be loved by their women.
    Actually, the White Knight seeks a woman's favor by degrading himself in unconditional service and death. In the White Knight's mind, 1000 of him don't even compare to the worth of one woman. The Mangina seeks a woman's favor by degrading himself in becoming like her. The more feminine he can become, the better off he is in his mind before a woman. Both are from feminism and both are death to a man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyojiro Kagenuma View Post
    White Knights and Manginae wouldn’t have the need to be accepted by women if they simply didn’t idealize and idolize the women in their life and just see them for what they are.
    Actually if man would have self-actualization outside of what others think, this would solve the problem. I'm not here to please a woman, a group of women, or even other men. You decide what you want to do and then if other people don't like it, fuck 'em. This is the essence of MGTOW. Getting men to realize this and untrain themselves out of the cycle that their existence in life is predicated on pleasing a woman, and that success or failure in life isn't measured by whether you're getting your dick wet or not.

    This said, College MGTOW lands the punch on this one with "In other times, we were generally warned to keep out of one another's lives. The concerns of boys lives lie only with their fathers, as the girls the mothers.". Traditional feminism gave us this problem, coupled with the Industrial Revolution. People grouse on about single mothers and fathers not being in the home today, but in truth, fathers haven't been in the home since the 19th century for being in the factory for 12-16 hours a day - that's right, just about every man that's grown up since then has been raised by a single mother (to use the modern parlance). If you look into history and proper child rearing, it's functional for a boy to be away from his mother once he can feed and dress himself. While the mother provides him nothing different than she would provide her husband, the boy is supposed to be with the father and be shaped by him, in order to be away from the Mother Goddess thought process.

    Podles will inform your writing well in honing, shaping, and correcting misconceptions. Also, Esther Villar's the Manipulated Man will serve this purpose as well. To wit, quoted from the same site you got The Society of Phineas, 2012, Defining White Knights and Manginas, Dec 1, 2012 from, but a different link:

    The second commandment mentions the idea of service. Men and women both are created by God with the tendency and desire to serve and worship Him. But men are brought up from a very young age to be pleasing to women, and this tendency is used to point men towards women instead of towards God with this desire.


    Their mothers begin this in infancy as a function of convenience in service to the Feminine Imperative, and then it leads out from there into greater society. Young boys are presented with a creature that is different from them, who desires certain things from them and dispenses praise and punishment along with life provision. His mother becomes a god, in essence, and he ultimately requires separation from her to become fully actualized before God as a man.
    Esther writes herself (quoted there, p 50):
    The majority of men prefer to subjugate themselves to an exclusive deity, woman (they call this subjection love). This sort of personal deity has excellent qualifications for the satisfaction of religious needs. Woman is ever-present, and, given her own lack of religious need, she is divine. As she continually makes demands, man never feels forsaken. She frees him from collective gods, for whose favors he would have to compete with others. He trusts in her because she resembles his mother, the deity of his childhood. His empty life is given an artificial meaning, for his every action is dedicated to her comfort and, later, to the comfort of her children. As a goddess, she can not only punish (by taking away his sense of belonging) but she can reward as well (through the bestowal of sexual pleasure).
    Unfortunately, several of the so-called men's rights and MGTOW sites have frowned upon this due to wanting to get along with women and show that they aren't woman-haters, but the major part required of the emancipation of men is to reveal women for the messed-up, vile, and wicked creatures that they are. To knock the goddess down, this kind of discourse is required.

    (Note: There were a number of useful links included in this response, but unfortunately the TOS of this site does not allow me to post them. Unfortunately, as a result, you will have to dig and find them yourself).

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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    Ahh yes, deification. Now that's interesting, the concept that we need a deity to look up to. I don't know that I can comfortably call myself atheist; Rather, I'm agnostic but let's go one step further than that: I believe that I am ultimately my own deity. I only attribute to those who have, and not to those who haven't, especially hairy thunderers or cosmic muffins.

    It came about once I figured out everything everyone attributed to metaphysical happenings were nothing more than bullshit. How? Suggestion. I put myself into a state where... others were compelled for some reason to actually give weight to some of the outlandish things I said I was doing. Astral projection, witchcraft and any other happy horse-shit like that were nothing more than just manipulations. Shit I was telling people was there, when it really wasn't. If I'm capable of that, that seems to prove my omniscience. Or they're just fucking stupid. It's the latter.

    What if we became our own gods? What if we went further, and robbed them further by taking away their rights to be seen as deities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by College MGTOW View Post
    Ahh yes, deification. Now that's interesting, the concept that we need a deity to look up to

    What if we became our own gods? What if we went further, and robbed them further by taking away their rights to be seen as deities?
    Deification is perhaps the most accurate word here, but idealization can be used, as well. I think one thing most people miss, including the atheists, is that by default everyone idealizes or lifts up something. Everyone follows after something. Be it things, ideas, other people, etc. They may not realize it since they're so into it they're blind, but it's always there.

    To put it short and sweet, what emancipates a man is to stop being woman-directed and start being more self-directed, where HE is the one that defines his life, and what constitutes success and failure in his own life, absent the control of others, absent the wishes of others, who wish to co-opt and control him for their own purposes. To me, this is the essence of MGTOW.
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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    What is the difference in male-mother need between a guy who likes large women, and a guy who likes small women?

    Is the act of orgasm and the act of making-out both a submission to male-mother need?

    if big women or curvy women have more estrogen, then they are more likely to make daughters? skinny women are more likely to make sons?
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    Re: The Male Mother Need

    Id like to thank all who contribute to this thread as it seems to want to cut to the heart of what I think is the core issues surrounding us as a species and our short comings, which as we all know is how we all go about evolving.
    Now I may not have seen it mentioned or my primate brain was un-able to digest it in the manor in which was intended, I read this thread and absorbed as much as I can, either way I wanted to introduce what I think and believe is at the core of our failures or the beginnings of them, forgive if it comes across simplistic, my only defense just a knuckle dragging tool here, food shelter & sex and I'm good to go, also I've had no training as to composition or formal writing, I'm really just a simple guy trying to go his own way, please allow for this lack of proper technical expression. If it were not for spell check you would all be wondering what rock I crawled out from.
    For years I've developed my own view on this, which is often met with rolling eyes and sadly few tasteful discussions.
    I've always believed that as infants fear is the first natural primal brain instinct for response's to any stimuli that we encounter, designed clearly for protection, to try and reason away, why away why self protect, as babies you we don't even know it but our brain is working hard to keep us alive, as all organisms are designed to aspire to their highest order possible, (kill and eat it, or impregnate it)
    Instinct says "save me", our eyes lie to us and won't focus for weeks, our ears work but the brain can only be shocked at sounds, again mainly because it has no past experience by which to categorize it as safe or unsafe, these stimuli are all foreign to us as babies and the only way for us to learn and digest their meanings are from either care giver.
    The failures, unhealthy attachments, phobia, dysfunctions can either be dealt with in a healthy way or exacerbated to the kids demise or gain, it all depends on the care givers, environment, and in many cases, some genitive flaws.
    To the mother attachment: Mothers are usually the babies first experience from a caregiver, breast feeding, and over all introducing the infant to much of it's upcoming life, it's a this stage I believe the male for good or bad, develops any and all preconceived or instinctual attachments to women with out even knowing it, all the smells, texture of skin, voice, heartbeat, singing, or being held and coddled, these attachments/connections have been proven to then become the hardwired synaptic unions, brain chemicals are being allotted at this time, etc,,, no other time is as important to a fear based creature then this stage of brain development.
    Sadly I also happen to think most modern women have long ago lost most of their ability to trust their instincts and are now stupid, ignorant and blissfully unaware of their instincts as mothers, and their unknowing ill trained White Knights are not far behind them.
    So each generation of fear laden offspring sufferers a little bit more, slowly but certainly over time and unless halted, removing all of us from the long run of the golden ring of continued higher evolution.
    I always get a chuckle when I see wild animals doing a better job then us in trusting their instincts when raising their young.
    So even tho humans seem to hold the high ground on what we perceive as higher reasoning, some where along the way, due to war, disease, genetics, man has allowed his offspring to "drift" and congeal what we are today and I think it's this ignoring or mistreating abusing or improper addressing of our babies natural fear instincts that starts the ball rolling in a counter productive path.
    No man bashing here, talking theory and being objective only,, but I also think obviously, that men and women are to be held accountable, mainly men tho, as they are/were the stronger leaders, some where along the way men trusted women a bit to much or failed to instruct and teach their young.
    Slowly over perhaps 7 to 10,000 years men have been turning over to the gals to much power in raising male offspring.
    I think of 2 movies I seemed to have connected with what I think was the directors intended story.
    1. Fightclub, which I felt attempted to address how mans lack of malehood has any real impact or street cred of influence in today's concrete jungle unless we return to our violent ways.
    2. Was the bloody but provocative film 300. was refreshing to see how the very young males were portrayed as being expected to protect and kill. (no female or male agenda persay) the only reason I did take notice is because of the lack of that type of male raising you do not see on a village wide scale these days.
    Just wanted to toss in my 2 cents, hope it somehow helps someone somewhere.
    Best to us all
    This only took me 12 hours to put together, lol
    Thanks Men


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