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    Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Looking over the Marriage Strike rules - "do not marry, do not cohabitate, do not procreate" - I realized they're a couple of cards short of a full house. They are the core of MGTOW, but they aren't enough by themselves. What was missing? The idea of living a self-directed life, rather than one directed by others or by Society.

    There's something that propels the vast majority of people down the Blue Pill Highway, and I think it could be summed up as "the quest for approval." So much of what we do is motivated by our desire for approval - I'll make a case that it was Mommy's approval that got us toilet-trained! We first went to school for Mommy and Daddy's approval; we worked for good grades for the teachers' approval; we took our friends' dares for the sake of their approval; we spent our money on our Honey for her approval ... and so ad infinitum.

    There's a strong hunger for approval in each of us. It's part of being a social being, and we evolved as social beings, from the jungle to the savannahs, to the forests, to the farms and the cities, even here in cyberspace. But the problem is that we can, all too damn easily, let others' approval - or the possibility they'll withdraw their approval - get us off track from Our Own Way, pull us away from our own goals, and route us back onto the Blue Route.

    Well - John Galt answered that, countered it, with the oath he offered at the end of his famous speech: "I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

    In mind of that, I've added two more items to the Marriage Strike rules, for a total of five ... like the Five Precepts of Buddhism, the rules-to-live-by for that religion (kind of like the Judeo-Christian Ten Commandments):

    • Do not marry.
    • Do not cohabitate.
    • Do not procreate.
    • Rid yourself of gynocentrism.
    • Follow your own dreams.

    I offer these in hopes they'll be solid, fundamental guideposts to the MGTOW life.

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    Note - 29 Mar 15 - I revised the fourth and fifth precepts. The original list is below:

    • Do not marry.
    • Do not cohabitate.
    • Do not procreate.
    • Do not base your self-worth on the approval of others, or of "Society."
    • Live your life for your own sake, not for the sake of others, or of "Society."
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    Re: The Five Precepts Of MGTOW

    another excellent post BeijaFor.
    No matter how attractive a woman is. No matter how beautiful she is. Somewhere, out there, some guy is sick of her shit.

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    Re: The Five Precepts Of MGTOW

    Excellent post, BeijaFlor. When you stop and take a hard look at the world around you, you see just how many things are done solely to garner the approval of others. To make a certain amount of money, to live in a big house, to drive a fancy car, to dress a certain way, to attend a certain school, and so forth. Women, in particular, have an insatiable need for approval. And modern “tools” like facebook are the ultimate enablers of a woman’s need for approval. Take a glance at any facebook news feed on any given day and it is littered with “LOOK AT ME!!!” posts about what an incredible, interesting, and enviable life I have. Don’t you wish you were me???

    When you swallow the red pill and no longer need, want, or care about the approval of others it’s like a huge weight has been lifted off your shoulders. You can do what you want, when you want, and not give a shit about what others think. This one simple realization is worth more than all of the self-help books, therapy sessions, team building exercises, or group retreats combined. Fuck all that. Do what YOU want to do, and justify it to NO ONE.

    I remember meeting this one woman for a coffee date at Starbucks. I ordered my usual simple black coffee. She ordered some expensive café-latte-frappuccino-waterford-crystal kind of fucking drink. Hey, whatever, to each his own. But then she questioned my choice.

    Entitled Bitch: “Is that all you’re going to drink???”
    Inspector Callahan: “Yes, that’s what I like. I always order this.”
    Entitled Bitch: “You really need to try different things. Expand your horizons.”
    Inspector Callahan: “I don’t NEED to do jack-shit, sweetheart.”

    I finished my drink, thanked her for meeting me there, and then left. Do not tell me what I NEED to do, especially after having just met me. Sorry, but that’s a show-stopper in my book.

    Do what makes you happy, gentlemen.

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    Re: The Five Precepts Of MGTOW

    • Do not marry.
    • Do not cohabitate.
    • Do not procreate.
    • Do not base your self-worth on the approval of others, or of "Society."
    • Live your life for your own sake, not for the sake of others, or of "Society."
    It's be nice if the last two were a bit more compact.


    • Γνῶθι σεαυτόν.
    • Non serviam.
    Perhaps a little obscure.

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    Re: The Five Precepts Of MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    It's be nice if the last two were a bit more compact.

    Perhaps a little obscure.
    #1, I don't read Greek; #2, can you link the sources?
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    Re: The Five Precepts Of MGTOW

    I revised the list after reading Ballista's "Will The Real MGTOW Please Stand Up?" His "Reject gynocentrism" was the phrase I needed. And "Follow your own dreams" is a better close.

    I hope this will be useful for keeping MGTOW clear and on-track.

    (Now that I've looked up your suggestions, Mr Wombat, they're excellent, too ...)

    Oh, and I've published it on my blog.
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    On reflection - and further reading of later articles here, especially Jagr's "Feminist Thought Control Runs Deep" - I realized that "Reject gynocentrism" is not quite correct. "Reject gynocentrism within yourself" is what I meant. "Rid yourself of gynocentrism" is simpler.

    We are aswim in a sea of gynocentrism; it pervades our culture. We imbibe it with our mother's milk - when we're infants, Mama is the center of our world. We learn it from our earliest socialization - "Girls are special, be nice to them, don't hit them," etc. We're fed it in story-books, in cartoons, in the media, on TV, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera ... We get more of it in a school system where the authority figures, the teachers and administrators, are mostly women; IIRC, my first male teacher was in "shop" class in 7th grade. And, of course, we get the full double-whammy-whopper dose of gynocentrism in puberty, when girls change from "annoying" to "exciting" and lust enters our bloodstream with the testosterone surge of our coming-of-age.

    We are programmed to put "ladies first," even as women are programmed to accept that as their birthright. The programming runs deep. I believe it builds on our evolution as hunting apes, where the males did the hunting and foraging while the females cared for the young, but the programming goes far beyond the call of evolution. We are conditioned to cater to the women, to vie for their approval, to regard their affection as the Ultimate Prize, to put them and their needs (wants, desires, whims) at the center of our own lives.

    That's the gynocentrism I'm calling for you to reject - the inner conditioning, the automatic impulse, to put women first.

    It's not a matter of ranting and railing against women-in-general and putting them down in everything you write in this forum. (I know, I use the insults too, but I try to use them as "spices" rather than as the meat of my posts.) It's not a matter of hating women, or habitually treating them hatefully, though the rage of a man who has been court-raped is understandable - and he needs to get through it before he can go on. I don't see it as a matter of "being hateful" to women, either. It's a matter of removing women from the focus of our lives, removing our attention from their claim on it, and putting our own well-being ahead of their wants and needs. It's a matter of breaking our addiction to their approval, and practicing indifference toward them. It's a matter of liberating ourselves both from the desire we have for them and from the anger we feel about having been brainwashed and exploited to serve them.

    Then you can devote yourself fully to the fifth precept - Follow your own dreams.
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    The sixth precept of MGTOW: any day skiing is better than a day not skiing.

    (note also that boating, shooting guns, motorcycles, et cetera can be substituted for skiing)
    do not impregnate, do not cohabitate, ​do not marry

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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Rid yourself of gynocentrism.
    Probably the hardest part of reconditioning yourself. I'm currently in this phase. How do you get past this? I feel like there's a part of me that is still dependent on female validation. I'm finding this bridge a tough one to burn.
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    Probably the hardest part of reconditioning yourself. I'm currently in this phase. How do you get past this? I feel like there's a part of me that is still dependent on female validation. I'm finding this bridge a tough one to burn.
    Joking answer: As for the part of you that's about six inches long and about 1 1/2 inches thick (your measurements may vary), it can help a lot if you'll just take yourself in hand. (/joke)

    Serious answer: Addiction to female validation is, indeed, a tough habit to kick; the conditioning is deep, it starts almost from birth (look up "mother need" on Google), and it's reinforced constantly in our culture. There are quite a few suggestions on other threads - and a wealth of anecdotal evidence about the inner nature of women - their duplicity, their vine-swinging, their hypergamy, the rationalization-hamster, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera; studying and reflecting on that can help. Pursuing your own dreams, not for others' validation but for your own excitement and fulfillment, can work synergistically with that study and contemplation; plus, they'll leave you too busy, too excited, too personally-fulfilled, to be worried about whether you're getting any female validation.

    Going Your Own Way is the best treatment I know for female-validation hunger. Take it far enough, and you can "addict" yourself to making your life the best it possibly can be. (And with the money you saved, you can take a nice vacation to Pattaya, Thailand and wear yourself out with the girls of Beach Road and Walking Street.)
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Joking answer: As for the part of you that's about six inches long and about 1 1/2 inches thick (your measurements may vary), it can help a lot if you'll just take yourself in hand. (/joke)

    Serious answer: Addiction to female validation is, indeed, a tough habit to kick; the conditioning is deep, it starts almost from birth (look up "mother need" on Google), and it's reinforced constantly in our culture. There are quite a few suggestions on other threads - and a wealth of anecdotal evidence about the inner nature of women - their duplicity, their vine-swinging, their hypergamy, the rationalization-hamster, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera; studying and reflecting on that can help. Pursuing your own dreams, not for others' validation but for your own excitement and fulfillment, can work synergistically with that study and contemplation; plus, they'll leave you too busy, too excited, too personally-fulfilled, to be worried about whether you're getting any female validation.

    Going Your Own Way is the best treatment I know for female-validation hunger. Take it far enough, and you can "addict" yourself to making your life the best it possibly can be. (And with the money you saved, you can take a nice vacation to Pattaya, Thailand and wear yourself out with the girls of Beach Road and Walking Street.)
    LOL.

    Yeah, I know. Ever since I took the Red Pill I've been all over the anecdotal evidence. When I was an active member on the Red Pill subreddit, they use to post these reddit logs from other subbreddits such as r/relationships and r/twoxchromosomes where women would get together and justify their horrible behavior. I also lurk MGTOW HQ and obviously I'm active on here but reading about it isn't enough. The only way I can internalize it is by investing all my time and energy into myself. That should be the trick to getting past this.

    Thanks, Beija.
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    Probably the hardest part of reconditioning yourself. I'm currently in this phase. How do you get past this? I feel like there's a part of me that is still dependent on female validation. I'm finding this bridge a tough one to burn.

    I have an answer for your question. And know that it has served me VERY well.

    HARD physical exercise! The harder you work, the greater the concentration, the greater the joy that comes out of it, the GREATER the sense of self you will have.

    Do you know why they work the asses off Marines and Navy Seals so hard? It is a HUGE part of the indoctrination process!!

    So, to free yourself of BAD programming:
    - Reaffirm the right, wise, & proper choices just prior to your work-outs.
    - Make a short quotable list of things or attributes that you can repeat to yourself.
    - Now: Start your workout, repeat your list / attributes during your work out. Make the work out really hard, tough stuff, and repeat your list / attributes OFTEN during the workout.
    - At the end of the workout enjoy the endorphin RUSH, and repeat your list / attributes & long term goals.

    If you do this EVERY time you work out, several times a week, you will be reprogramming yourself to the highest caliber possible.

    I know: It prolly sounds silly to most people, but it is in FACT how almost all people-programming is done.

    I'm simply saying: Program yourself. And do it to a FAR higher level than all the shitty programming you are given on a day to day basis.



    p.s. the 5 precepts are a GREAT starting point for your new self-programming .



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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    So, to build on my last comment regarding How to rid yourself of bad gynocentric programming:

    In my considered opinion, the 5 precepts are too vague. Yes, they are good. But they are NOT goals. They are anti-rules. They are a list of what NOT to do.

    But more important they, simply stated, are NOT specific enough.

    Here is a short list of attributes for you to consider BUILDING into your psyche. (Basically they are, in many ways the opposite of feminism & gynocentrism.)

    So as you read my (off the cuff) list, PLEASE consider making your own list. A list of things about feminism, the system, & gynocentrism that REALLY REALLY bothers you. And then use a thesaurus in order to find & DEFINE the opposite. And while you are at it find several synonyms as well (strong, strength, strengthen, stronger, strongest, competent, courage.)

    example #1:

    . Humiliation (a very feminist trait)
    ... vs what we want: Praise , Esteem , Honor, Respect , Success , Glory , Joy.
    (found in a dictionary complete with sentences & examples for each.)
    .... YES, I am saying go to the dictionary and look this stuff up....


    . Hatred (another very very common feminist trait)
    ... vs what we want: Respect, Kindness, Good Will, Grace, Graceful, Graciousness, Civility, Propriety (all found in a dictionary complete with sentences & examples for each.)

    How to do it / Application:
    Look this shit up!!! Read the words out loud. Write it down too if that helps. Type it out on your keyboard, to yourself. Know, remember, and repeat these terms in as many differing ways as you can. Particularly while you are working out.

    Write them out on post-it notes, and put them up on your bathroom mirror, bedroom, dresser, closet, everywhere you have that is private.

    But, the real growth comes in when you do it while training. The harder the training, the better.

    Other terms to consider: Winner Champion Successful Calm Cool Collected Happy Smart Thoughtful Kind Wealth Healthy Prosperous Triumphant Victorious

    As you are working out envision yourself in various situations and behaving in the matter you wish yourself to be ... and in time YOU WILL BE!!

    (if this sounds corny to you, then you have a whole lot to learn, as this is one of the most DIRECT and POWERFUL ways to take control of your own psyche.

    The point in fact is that YOU can program your own psyche far more effectively than someone else can do "at" you. And doing it "at" you is all that they have at their disposal.

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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Interesting bit with the programming. Yes it does sound a bit odd, but it makes sense when you think about it and Being in the Army I have seen it first hand, everytime somebody gets smoked.
    "Oh Private dickbeat wanted to wear his highspeed boots that are out of regs! Well I hope the rest of yuns are as highspeed as his boots! DOUBLE TIME MARCH!"
    And no one ever wore nike boots again.

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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    Probably the hardest part of reconditioning yourself. I'm currently in this phase. How do you get past this? I feel like there's a part of me that is still dependent on female validation. I'm finding this bridge a tough one to burn.

    Ah, well...I LOVE to give advice. That doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about, so consider this a suggestion.

    Tony Robbins is a well-known self-help guy. He's the one who had a problem with a fire walk seminar where some people got burned. That was all about breaking through one's own fear. (People got burned because the grass around the coals was DRY and there was no moisture to protect their feet.) This came from him. I know it works because I've used it. You can use it for anything where you need to get yourself to do something that you can't always get yourself to do.

    You make a list of reasons why you want to become independent. Find as many reasons as you can. And, you write each one with as much meaning and emotion as you can. That means, write each reason in such a way that you completely FEEL it, and so that it's not just an item on a list. Find YOUR reasons, and not the reasons that logic alone would supply. An example might be, you want to lose weight. So, why do you want to lose weight. Well, for me, one of the reasons that really motivated me was so that I wouldn't feel complete shame when taking my shirt off in front of women. Yeah, I know. But, the point would be to write it so that I could truly feel the shame and embarrassment as much as possible, because that would motivate me to avoid that next slice of pizza. I mean, EXHAUST that feeling in the writing. Make it absolutely as PAINFUL AS POSSIBLE. List numerous examples and drive the point home. Make up examples and possibilities and embellish the hell out of them.

    You write two lists in this manner. One is all the reasons why it will be extremely painful if you don't do what you want to accomplish. The other is why it will be absolutely GREAT if you do. Again, you want to engage your emotions as much as possible with this, so that you grow your motivation by leaps and bounds.


    So, you link, in your mind and feelings, great pain for remaining dependent, and great joy and pleasure with becoming independent. And, you review your lists regularly, and make it a point to invite those feelings in, and add to them with more reasons, or more examples of the reasons you already have.


    Another method... this will take a little explaining. We don't just have emotions; we create them by how we use our facial expressions, body movement, breathing, voice, and mental focus. Let's say you're feeling lonely, thinking about someone you miss. So, if you're alone, try doing jumping jacks, while smiling as loud as you can, and singing God Bless America at the top of your lungs, while you think about YOUR team beating those fucking Patriots! (Sorry, I live in NE, and I'm a huge, annoyingly smug fan. Your cries of pain make my day!) If you do this faithfully for a few minutes, and make it a point NOT to keep coming back to images and thoughts of the one you miss, then you should feel very different. How do you make it a point? You purposefully interrupt the way you think and feel about the person you miss, time and time again, as many times as necessary.

    So, that was an extreme example of state change, just to show you how it simply has to work. You only need to be as drastic as will do the trick, just so long as you don't allow the lonliness/missing feeling to go unmolested in your heart and mind. You catch yourself with the same pattern of thinking/feeling you're trying to get rid of, and you make it a point to drastically change your state of thinking/feeling. This works. It's very likely that you will have to do this time after time, as your mind and body drift back to the focus and feeling you want to eliminate. But, keep it up, because it will work.

    I used the first method to go two years not smoking weed, and the second to get over a woman I was still missing a year after we'd broken up. I stopped thinking about her by the next day, and I haven't felt that way about her since. There's a possibility that I now smoke, but it would probably be a once-in-a-while thing, if I did.
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    Probably the hardest part of reconditioning yourself. I'm currently in this phase. How do you get past this? I feel like there's a part of me that is still dependent on female validation. I'm finding this bridge a tough one to burn.
    It may help to realize that female validation is quite meaningless. A woman can be in love with you one minute, then fall out of love with you the next. Just like a light-switch. How can you put any stock in that??? I am not about to waste my time, effort, and money trying to cultivate something so fickle and shallow. Pursue things that add VALUE to your life, in whatever form that may be. Female validation is empty and vain.
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by McGauth925 View Post


    Tony Robbins is a well-known self-help guy.
    What McGauth said!!! There are TONS of self-help books!! They will help you help yourself.

    No one is going to hand you a better psyche, or a better life. We all have to work for what we want.

    Also, I noticed a Men's group on Meetup. It is called something like "exceptional men" or something like that, and is associated w a business. Perhaps there is a group in your local area(s)? (meetup.com)
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    Re: Five Precepts For MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    What McGauth said!!! There are TONS of self-help books!! They will help you help yourself.

    No one is going to hand you a better psyche, or a better life. We all have to work for what we want.

    Also, I noticed a Men's group on Meetup. It is called something like "exceptional men" or something like that, and is associated w a business. Perhaps there is a group in your local area(s)? (meetup.com)
    Or perhaps there could be one in your area soon.

    Good idea.


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