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    Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    I thought I would repost this great post from a forum post in Roosh's forum by a user named "The Lizard of Oz". I think this applies to this forum as well, as I have noticed sometimes there is some general malaise about life, a kind of "Meh" about society because of the relations with women in society.

    Without further adieu;

    Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General

    Something that I've been feeling a lot on the forum recently (and not only here) is that a lot of men seem very unhappy and negative about life, the way things are, and the future. Not everyone and at all times, of course -- there are also guys who are happy, energetic, confident in the present and optimistic about the future. But there is a surprising amount of near-desperation that shows itself in all sorts of ways and in different places.

    I think that a lot of this frustration, unhappiness, and near-desperation comes from a single source: men are very unhappy and despondent about the whole part of life that consists of their relations with women. And because that is such an important part of a man's life -- often the most important one -- this unhappiness and frustration stains the way guys feel about life in general and about the world, even where it comes to things that are completely unrelated to women.

    The frustration that I'm talking about is very broadly that men are unhappy with the way women are. I don't mean just guys that have trouble getting laid -- of course these men are generally unhappy and frustrated about that. But even men who have some degree of sexual success are frustrated by how unsatisfying their interactions with women often are, how hard they have to work in return for relatively little. And even ultimate players and super-alphas are often unhappy and disappointed with the way women are -- yes, they get sex and worship from them with ease, but that very ease and the idiocy of that worship is something that can cause consternation in a thoughtful and decent man.

    To put it simply, men just want women to be nice, sweet and feminine, and not smartphone-besotted psychos. It seems like not too much to ask, right? But apparently, it is too much. And the ever-present (and growing) gap between that simple wish, and the very different reality, causes an untold amount of misery and frustration.

    Why is the gap so acute now? I believe that the basic nature of women has always been the same, and has not fundamentally changed. However, social conditions are such that they bring out the worst qualities in women. One can speculate about the reasons for this and how things are likely to go in the future, and this has been discussed endlessly and ad nauseam here and elsewhere. But in some sense the reasons don't really matter. Things are what they are right now; no one knows the future, but everyone has to deal with the present.

    In response to this reality men have developed various strategies, have improved their game and lifestyle, and some have traveled abroad in search of a better situation with women. That's a lot of what this forum is about, and I'm all for that. Many of these strategies are useful and effective and should be pursued with vigor. However, when it comes to the world of eros, the truth is that for many if not most men this world remains a difficult and frustrating one. Game, lifestyle and travel can and do improve the situation, but for most men it still remains a source of unhappiness and disappointment.

    Now, what is my point in saying all this?

    It is simply this: while doing what they can to improve their odds and position in the sexual market, men should recognize that the situation is a difficult one and accept this. At the same time, men should understand that the entirety of life is not limited to the world of eros and relations with women. Don't let the fact that the world of women is so tough stain the way you feel about life in general. There are vast other parts of life that can be enjoyed and that are endless sources of interest and pleasure. Don't miss out on life as a whole just because a part of life -- even a major part -- is fraught with problems and difficulties.

    When I look around me, I see a world that has never been more interesting and more amazing. The Internet is the most wondrous invention in the history of mankind; it allows us to access a million libraries of Alexandria in the palm of our hand. Life has never been more safer or more physically comfortable; there have never been greater opportunities for men to live a healthy lifestyle, to keep their bodies fit and their minds sharp. There are so many things to be interested in, to develop knowledge or even expertise about, to simply enjoy and be entertained by, that it's an embarrassment of riches at every moment. How terrible, even tragic, it would be to miss out on all this just because a part of life -- even a major and important part -- is relatively difficult, frustrating and often unrewarding.

    I posted this video by Jack LaLanne in the 4th of July thread and I want to repost it here again, because he says something there that is so profound. He talks about a friend and student of his who had a financial problem, and because of this problem, he abandoned all of his hard-won good habits and let his body and mind go to seed. Then he realized how foolish that was and reacquired his good habits. In the end, he still had the problem -- but he didn't let the problem stain his entire life. As Jack says, if you have a problem that cannot be completely solved, accept that and be happy with the problem -- rather than have the problem and compound it by being miserable in every other way.





    Again. Accepting the fact that there is a real problem with women does not mean that you do nothing about it: you always do the best you can in terms of game, lifestyle, travel etc. However, for many men the problem can be reduced but not completely solved. That should be accepted -- and men should not let the presence of this problem prevent them from enjoying this various, amazing, and ever-changing world in every other way, or distort their confidence in their lives and their sense of future and of possibility. Nor should they let this frustration lead them to be seduced by simplistic and reductive ideologies that offer them momentary relief and the promise of "meaning" but at the terrible price of closing off their minds to the true complexity, variety, and subtlety of life as it is. We have but one life to live and not everything in it will always go well -- but that is no reason not to live it to the fullest in every sense of the word.
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    women will never be worth that much consternation.

    fuck bitches, get money.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    I sometime have trouble remembering this. I still get into a funk from time to time thinking about women. I mean I wanted a life with a woman, an equal and loving partner. I structured my life on that premise in fact. So I do get negative from time to time thinking that I wasted a good chunk of my life, chasing a mirage. But that attitude doesn't advance my life or my wellbeing, does it?
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Good post. I find myself lamenting the state of the world on a daily basis.

    But I also have so many interests and a few good friends.

    The only thing missing from my life is a wife and kids - which is both a blessing and a curse - for me, more the former, than the latter, in this "enlightened" day and age.

    And I have total freedom. Something that most men have never known, nor will ever know. And that is priceless.
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Great post sirreaper! Can we make this a sticky or include it in the site's principles or something?

    I think it would create just the right effect if it was hanging there above a lot of the other posts which are all about the problems we and others have.

    I would hope new visitors could read this post first, before they introduce themselves or view other threads.

    Personally, my MGTOW self-discovery coincided with the throwing away of all my depressing impulses.

    I had never been happy until I discovered what a small part of life women really are, so this thread speaks to me. Aligned with that, I also threw away the damaging tendencies I had that were also the trappings of a blue-pill life. Things like spending money on junk I didn't need, or worrying about what my status was compared to my peers. In my opinion, the whole consumerist disease is propagated by the blue-pill vector, and it is the freedom from that that is even more valuable than realising the true value of women.

    Don't confuse me with some kind of tree-hugging hippy though. I understand fully the need for developed capital markets, sound currency and capitalism. It's just that now my money is growing in a pot so that one day it will be big enough so it can take care of me.
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Yes women have an upper hand nowadays , thank your lucky stars and the internet cause you now at least know that .

    Make a profile with a pic of a girl even the average looking one . You will soon start hating men too you will get so pissed off by all the messages ... Image this is your life , always being hit on by all kinds of, lets be honest, shmucks , every damn day .

    The only way to win this game is two ways - do not play or be all game and only game .

    Only game means that you DO NOT CARE about the girls you interact with , do not care what they think of you , do not care , do not care , do not feel anything , do not , do not feel anything ... You will succsseed with women and you will have the best sex ...cause you do not care .

    And then think for a bit, is something you do not care about worth the money and effort, and even direct physical dangers ?

    PS.

    Watch your diet at all times , work out at all times ... That alone can change the world , your world .

    It only takes an invisible change of some chemicals in your brain and from a man that wants to kill himself you can turn in to the man that rules this world .


    Life is just a fruit of your imagination , whatever you imagine you are - you are .

    Do not mistake it for the life that is going behind your back , that life you cant control ... You cant control if someone likes you or not ... you cant . You cant control your parents genes - you cant ...you cant control your country of birth or the skin color ...you cant .

    Its like i see some yuppie driving a brand new BMW ... my only mind is that i can take it from him at any time i wish and drive it into the ditch and laugh . He cant control what i think of him , dosnt matter how hard he tries and what car he drives he cant do shit .


    So where do you put your money - do you invest all of it in to the things you can control or you wanna repeat your losing bet for the rest of your life .

    Doesnt matter how hard you try to impress women by trying so you will always be just another clown .
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Getting frustrated over trivial shit is the exact same thing that's putting the "plugged in" man into the early grave.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    Great post sirreaper! Can we make this a sticky or include it in the site's principles or something?

    I think it would create just the right effect if it was hanging there above a lot of the other posts which are all about the problems we and others have.

    I would hope new visitors could read this post first, before they introduce themselves or view other threads.
    I fully agree - let's make it a sticky - but I believe it would fit best in "Living the Best Life."

    The first key to the Best Life (Red Pill version), in my opinion and experience, is realizing that "having a wife" or "having a girl" or "having Game" is not necessary to our enjoyment of the Best Life. This is difficult to sell to a young man who is virtually exploding with testosterone and blue-balls, but when I came to realize it for myself, I got on with life and enjoyed the life I've got - my own money, my own 'toys,' my own adventures, and no worries about whether 'Cupcake' or 'Society' approve.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    I am not frustrated about my interactions with women, I am indifferent mostly and amused occasionally.. My frustration is with the human race in general, so many knee jerk reactions, so little thought about the future when making decisions today and most of all the near complete indifference to the actions of governments around the world, that whole i don't care since it doesn't impact me personally mindset is truly disheartening.

    One example I have is when discussing "green" technologies so far almost no one has looked into these things to discover how much environmental damage is done creating, building and maintaining this stuff... there is a total lack of cost benefit analysis.. this is just one example I could cover lots other oddball stuff that often surprises people when I tell them about it.
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Jack Lalanne was an awesome guy. There are many videos with him on YouTube. If you havenīt watched them, do yourself a favour and have a look.

    He introduced the public to weightlifting in the fifties and sixties when weightlifting was seen as "weird" and something only professional athletes would do. He also talked about how important a healthy diet is for your body. He was way ahead of his time and many things he talked about many decades ago are accepted as the truth nowadays.

    A true role-model.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    This is a cracking thread.

    No doubt about it, there's an awful lot of social pressure out there trying to convince you that even if you ski single-handed from Moscow to Stockholm to collect a Nobel Prize then fly yourself home in your solid gold private jet you're STILL A LOSER if you're not gettin' some.

    It's alpha, bro.

    Best advice I can give to anyone is to make a list of things you can't do because you're not in a relationshit, then go down it again and ask yourself: is this really something I can't do without lugging round a 120 lb albatross? Really?

    Chances are you'll find out that there's just not that much - outside of the bedroom - that you can't do fine (better) without whining luggage.

    (if you still need reassurance make another list about all the things you couldn't do if you did have a wailing sheet anchor to carry round - bring plenty of paper).
    Feminists have to quote sometime in the 1950s as the Year Zero of female oppression. People would realise how nuts they are if they tried to claim being a housewife was worth than what guys were dealing with in 1942.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    100% Agree.

    When I look around me, I see a world that has never been more interesting and more amazing. The Internet is the most wondrous invention in the history of mankind; it allows us to access a million libraries of Alexandria in the palm of our hand.
    The world is a fascinating place. I remember when the Internet "came out" so to speak. To think, there was a craze at the bookstores selling books on this thing called the "Internet" -- 'read all about it!'. It was a new thing, a new term (to the vast majority unfamiliar with its predecessors). People never heard of it. At that time, there was Gopher and WAIS; WWW was just one of the options and it wasn't clear at that time, which would take off. I can't wait to tell kids when I'm 80 that I was around before the Internet- their minds will be blown.

    When we allow disappointment in one area of our life to subtly but unmistakably darken our sense of the world around us, to blind us to the very real possibilities out there, to prevent us from dwelling on What's Right about the world around us (and not constantly focus and overstate what's wrong) -- then, we have lost the inner struggle.

    When you flush down the toilet the hollow "blue pill" dreams of owning a mcMansion in suburbia, and living the family life -- replace them with real "red pill" goals - whether that means benching 3 plates, starting a side business, or even just doing things you enjoy more often -- it easens the transition. From our goals, we find the right mindset -- and our actions align with the pursuit of those goals.

    Red Pill is a loss of innocence. But what is the benefit of being Holden Caulfield? Recently, I was in Cabo San Lucas and my inner critic began to find fault with everything about this nice hotel I was staying at- I actually got livid that they didn't have a highly visible sign off the highway. I was angry about it and told the hotel worker that "how could a hotel not have a sign"; even after I gave my unsolicited feedback which they graciously thanked me for; I was still steamed when I got back to my hotel room, wondering what kind of place was this?! I stopped myself and thought "You're in the middle of paradise, overlooking the ocean and you're hung up on the hotel's signage?!". I had to laugh at where I took it. Post red pill- the mind is on the defensive, wary towards everything that formerly slipped under our radar. It searches for faults and fixates on them. Sometimes that has a way of spreading ever so unpredictably into unrelated areas- we become the "critic". I just had to let go -- and I could finally relax and enjoy the beauty that surrounded me.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Letting go is the most critical thing we can do. I would actually like to know how to direct men on how to "let go".

    I've been reading. I have an entire summer ahead of me, and the only other things I do right now is part-time tutoring, working on my car, and looking around at all the beautiful women some other sap has to pay for. Dr. Helen Smith's Men on Strike was first on my list, and it led me on to several other books I'm working on now, including Drs. Driscoll and Davis' You Still Don't Understand. It's basically the same shit we say over and over here, but backed by PhD's in not-fucking-offology.

    The more I read, the more I see MGTOW isn't just an economic response, it's a biological response. Bitches are crying their heads off at the top of their lungs, and men simply don't deal with it, we simply shut it down, like we do when our crows wail at the top of their lungs.

    Okay, so I'm mostly reading because I have taken an interest in learning how to step up my social engineering game. But in doing so, I realize - just like Jagr has - that women are in a game they don't know they're playing, and instead of Red Pill Anger we can take on the knowledge of the differences between men and women, and take it within us to help us grow past it, grow into ourselves,

    Men and women are complicated creatures. We live in a time where women get the freedom to deny their biological imperatives. Men are taking their freedom the best way we know how - just dropping it and making the crow pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensch View Post
    And I have total freedom. Something that most men have never known, nor will ever know. And that is priceless.
    ^This. Freedom to me means I don't "check in" with anybody. No checking in to say where I'm going, when I am going, what I'll be doing there, who I'll be with, or when I'll be back.
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    This Rask ^^^, am the same. march to the beat of my own drum. I admit this was not easy the first half of my life, but I knew it was right for me. I've had friends in LTR or married and it always put a damper on my mood at the and of any skiing, mountain biking or outdoor activity when we would have to call it quits so as to appease their females.
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Quote Originally Posted by College MGTOW View Post
    Dr. Helen Smith's Men on Strike was first on my list, and it led me on to several other books I'm working on now, including Drs. Driscoll and Davis' You Still Don't Understand. It's basically the same shit we say over and over here, but backed by PhD's in not-fucking-offology.
    Ordered You Still Don't Understand. ​Thanks for the tip!
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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    I quit thinking with Cap Jr. about ten years ago. Women are things on the street that are sometimes nice to look at but not go near. Kind of like the zoo.


    Quote Originally Posted by jso View Post
    women will never be worth that much consternation.

    fuck bitches, get money.
    Exactly this.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    for me i have remembered my passion. music is all i truly care for. money. that's not so important eather.
    i recommend persuing your dream. what is it you want? don't dismiss your dreams as stupid and unrealistic or you will never achieve them.
    think how can i achieve this goal? how long will it take? what do i need to achieve it?
    find a way. if you really want it you will do what ever and how ever long it takes.

    i subdued to social pressures awhile back and lost alot progress on my journey as a musician.
    but that's OK. i am here now. today. i know i messed up.
    but im not going to beat myself up.
    here i stand and i fix my eyes on the goal. one step at a time. one day at a time.

    don't let others squash you into a box. especially those who would have you be there agent.
    stand for yourself. be you. unequivocally. you will be called selfish. but the thoughts of others do not matter. be true to yourself. love yourself.

    the more i let go of care, the need for the approval of others and look out for myself the happier i am.

    trust your gut instinct, its rarely wrong.

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Yes, this is in some ways a wonderful world but we mustn't forget the massive dangers facing the modern world. We should work hard and strive towards betterment but at the end of the day, nothing is going to last. Why complain about reality? Work in tune with it. If we use up all the resources and have to travel out to space, the same cyclical livelihoods will ensue, albeit in a dramatically different fashion. Things change except change itself.

    This idea of our perishable nature is what can drive many towards negativity. No point in denying it, rather see it and accept it. Even happy couple's, rare though they may be, will inevitably have to depart ways. Many of you talk here about living into old-age, projecting into the future without realising it isn't here and you may never see it beyond the next moment.

    The truth is always bitter but if you follow its ways... you'll attain an abundance of ease.


    I'm not sure if this an authentic quote by Bodhidharma, but I'll put it here:

    'When mortals are alive, they worry about death.
    When they're full, they worry about hunger.
    Theirs is the Great Uncertainty.
    But sages don't consider the past.
    And they don't worry about the future.
    Nor do they cling to the present.
    And from moment to moment they follow the Way.'

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    Re: Don't Let Frustration With Women Make You Feel Bad About Life In General-*Roosh V forum repost*

    Its really hard when relationships and women are at least 50% of the stuff we encounter in life.


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