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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    Also, there is a not so dirty little secret about Afghanistan. It is full of homosexual pederasts who don't think of themselves as homosexual.
    That's pretty dirty...

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Even a return to a strictly Patriarchal society such as what Otto appears to be referring to merely reduced the damaging effect women have. They are still parasitic at the individual level in that a man has to support them, live with them, and put up with their antics all of which have an opportunity cost. Sure, women are beneficial for a society in that they produce offspring so the society continues, but not for the individual man.
    I think some of the angst on this thread is due to the effects on individual men vs. society are not be clearly defined. But that's just my take on it.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Couple of things. First, women voting leads to socialism/big government/gibs. The state takes on a bigger role when women got the right to vote. Politicians pander to women by offering gibs, this cannot be denied.

    Second, the example of Afghanistan gets thrown around by feminists all the time as a shaming tactic. I was simply pointing out a very well known fact about the nature of Afghanistan. Ask any returning Soldier/Marine who has spent time in Afghanistan, and they will tell you that the nation is full of homosexual pederasts.

    Third, I'm a big fan of Turd Flinging Monkey (as I am sure most of you are). I was simply agreeing with many of the points he has made on many of his podcasts. He has said many times that if the west is to be restored, male authority needs to be restored.
    "Traditionalism and Feminism are two sides of the same Gynocentric Coin".-Turd Flinging Monkey

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    Second, the example of Afghanistan gets thrown around by feminists all the time as a shaming tactic.
    Yes, you've finally exposed me as the feminist I am. If only I were as smart as you are.
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    Third, I'm a big fan of Turd Flinging Monkey (as I am sure most of you are)
    Uhh, NO. I went to a zoo once and had monkey dung thrown at me by monkeys. I didn't appreciate that. I am also not a fan of clowns.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    I don't give a damn how many times TFM says for the "west to be restored" that "male authority needs to be restored".

    I wouldn't care if he said it 1000x !

    I wouldn't care if Jesus Christ said it !

    I don't care if Feminists are talking about Afghanistan.

    You seem so damned determined to "control women" it makes me wonder if you can control yourself. I do not mean that in a petty way, preserving your sovereignty is the core of MGTOW.

    Taking it away from someone else is being a controlling freak.

    I am for more liberty not less.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    @ChauvinistPig
    Watch the fucking sarcasm! I never said you were a feminist. I merely pointed out the fact that feminists use Afghanistan (and other Muslim Nations) as a shaming strategy.

    @Uly
    Turd Flinging Monkey is one of the best known MGTOW Youtube Content Creators. He is incredibly funny and very well informed. How did you come to the conclusion that I am promoting a male form of feminism, because I am not. Like all the other men on this forum, I recognize that marriage/family is no longer an option as one call can destroy it all. I am not a fan of homosexual pederasty, and I resent the implication (you mentioned that I should move to Afghanistan).
    "Traditionalism and Feminism are two sides of the same Gynocentric Coin".-Turd Flinging Monkey

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    @ChauvinistPig
    Watch the fucking sarcasm! I never said you were a feminist.
    Thanks for that advice. I shall take it under consideration. Not....
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    I hear tell that Afghanistan is chock full of rare Earth metals.....could be the next pseudo-gold rush?

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    The GYOW idea as I understand isn't interested in saving the state or even Western society. It values the liberty of individual men over preserving a collapsing state/society. I don't see the value in stating a list of things that must be done in order to preserve the state/society. Why should we sacrifice ourselves to fix other's mistakes? Entitlement mentalities whether that of welfare recipients, women, or 18th century French nobility do not go away by themselves, it takes major collapse and upheaval and some suffering to effect a change.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Love the "Not" reference. It goes really well with your Zubaz, it's 1990 and they want their joke back.
    Last edited by Otto Maddox; August 11, 2018 at 5:20 AM.
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    The GYOW idea as I understand isn't interested in saving the state or even Western society. It values the liberty of individual men over preserving a collapsing state/society. I don't see the value in stating a list of things that must be done in order to preserve the state/society. Why should we sacrifice ourselves to fix other's mistakes? Entitlement mentalities whether that of welfare recipients, women, or 18th century French nobility do not go away by themselves, it takes major collapse and upheaval and some suffering to effect a change.
    @ABigSiameseCat
    You nailed it. I do not believe the west can be saved, it is far too gone. The founding principles of the west (not just the Anglosphere) are now openly mocked by our elites. Men are told to sacrifice, but for what? There is nothing to fight for at home. The family has been destroyed, the factories sent to the third world, and men have been told we are not needed. We are living on borrowed time.
    "Traditionalism and Feminism are two sides of the same Gynocentric Coin".-Turd Flinging Monkey

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    I think President Trump would be upset if you took the vote away from women- he likes to get all the votes he can !

    Frank V.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank V. View Post
    Are you out of your damn mind ?

    Listen to me, and listen to me well : I do not want women in my goddamned home !

    No, I do not want kids !
    No, I do not want women in my home !
    No, I do not want to get married !
    No, I do not want to be authority over anyone !

    What part of the word "no" do you not seem to get ?

    And, what the hell does any of this have to do with Afghanistan ? What is this, "Random Topic Night" ?

    Frank V.
    Actually, you want authority over the very person the state, and some woman does --- Yourself.

    When women declare how independent and strong they are, they get applauded. So 'empowered'.

    Thing is, empowerment is to be given something without having earned it. Women do not generally 'empower' themselves. They are empowered when someone else gives them something, either willingly, or through coercion via some type of societal force (institutions/government).

    When men make decisions for themselves and exercise personal autonomy, they are called selfish, immature, childish, peter pans who refuse to grow up.

    You declaring you want autonomy over no one is not seen as honest by them. Because you want autonomy over yourself, and that is power. When you exhibit and choose to use this power for your own benefit instead of for others, you are 'the selfish one' in their eyes. How dare you keep what others freely give.

    They are outraged and indignant...How dare you not make yourself vulnerable to the whims of a woman so she can extract resources and assets from you.It's just the mindset they have.

    When men do not give their power away, it reduces the 'empowerment' women can enjoy.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrug the Script View Post
    The west will NOT be saved. The decline has begun and will only get worse. No nation has ever recovered once the decline begins. The U.S. is no exception.
    Stick a fork in the West!

    Western society is now past the tipping point. Looking at Canada and France as examples where during their respective federal leadership campaigns, the winning candidates told their electorate that "their culture does not exist". And the people bought it! There can not be much hope for a society that has collectively degenerated to the point of self hatred...

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    I think history would show that there is no saving the west as it is. Civilizations rise and fall on a cyclical basis. We're near the end of this one. It would seem the only two possibilities for the individual are find a place to jump to, or figure out a way to hunker down.
    Check. When you promote and enable a culture to have freedoms and opportunities, you then are allowing counter agruments to formulate and rise within the population. This freedom will ensure the flux and change you referenced, which encourages and supports the prepper mindset. If you are prepared and ready for change, then you can manage that change and not be subject to the whims and demands from those who are managing the change.

    Great post
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Who wants to save it? I think it's great that men can break the chains that bind us to the unnatural law women and society lawfully hold over us! It all falls apart as it should with the rules so out of favor for men that a marriage contract is a legal binding agreement to be enslaved by lawful separation and fragmentation of the family and manhood in general.

    They took over complaining and getting every concession under the sun while men have gone ignored and now censored, harassed, silenced, and imprisoned for controlled speech regulation violations as in Tommy's case with Great Britten and being subjected to basic human rights violation, all done in the name of the crown and the motto God save the Queen! For what any rational man would question? So Tuscan raiders can rape her and pass her around like a goat?

    Ignorance to a situation can be lethal to any culture on earth! Western culture has become wanting willing ignorance on many many fronts spanning generations!

    The void will be filled with undesirables.

    There's no stopping it, the transformation has already begun, just like a chemical reaction, what they did can-not be undone! The ballet is over, the curtains drawn.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    What we're seeing is a society that has willfully opted to proactively obliterate itself. This is just not merely a "decline". I'm not sure if this has ever actually happened before in human history. It's a cultural suicide. I don't even really blame non-Westerners for hating us. How can anyone respect a society full of people who actually want to be dominated or replaced by a foreign culture???

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post
    Uhh, NO. I went to a zoo once and had monkey dung thrown at me by monkeys. I didn't appreciate that. I am also not a fan of clowns.
    Did you say clowns?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChauvinistPig View Post
    Thanks for that advice. I shall take it under consideration. Not....
    That's classic bag over the head, punch in the face!

    Great move!



    Quote Originally Posted by Autolite View Post
    Stick a fork in the West!
    I would but nothing's there!

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    America is D-E-A-D. What you are witnessing is the final stick of butter shoved up Uncle Sam's ass for some pity fuck. We are like the end days of Rome. Just look around. Over priced bullshit, crazy politicians, sex obsessed culture, and things that are given value but are technically worthless(i.e. all this electronic garbage people pay hundreds if not thousands for but yet in 2 weeks the new version comes out which makes what you have worthless).

    Men are told in a nice way to be like women. I'll be honest. I'm a pretty big guy that's hairy. People make fun of me cause I have chest hair. Been told to literally shave by women and called disgusting. My answer always shocks them. Why in the hell would I want to be smooth and glow like a woman? Speechless.

    I hear these people that go on and say "Oh I will fight". Fight for what? A country that has turned its back on you? A country that will support illegals with your money but tell you to go fuck yourself when you are down & out? A Society that has more respect for some faggy popstar than its own president? A country that has some over paid football player's opinion on the president treated like gold but the president constantly mocked & criticized? A country that imprisons more citizens for stupid shit (i.e. some teenager drinking beers with his girlfriend & buddies but yet lets rapists & murders walk free)than it sends to college ? Some fight. In about 100 years when we are all long gone there will be a total chaos. I see it. I can see rioting and multiple types of wars breaking out. Think it can't happen? Just look at how much things have changed since 1918(100 years ago) and how expensive & violent things have become.

    Welcome to the freak show.


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