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    Can the West be saved?

    Hi everyone

    I stumbled upon this video of Turd Flinging Monkey where he discusses things like the Alternative Right, Mr Jordan Peterson and his stance on MGTOW and he even encourages to take action and become allies

    Here's the clip.



    After watching it, I understood that he thinks that the current situation in the West can be corrected, at least that's how I understood it. Well I do disagree with his opinion. If my perception tells me that, there is no way to correct it other then by violent means, which would lead to civil war, than action is not apropiate IMHO. If my perceiption tells me that I face something broken beyond repair than I give up trying to fix it. It is no use to invest time in a hopeless endeavor. I can't fix it . . .then I need to rebuild it from scratch.

    In my opinion he thinks that by taking away women's right to vote, things can be changed. That might even be true, but in my opinion it is naive to think that in this stage of our society you can just peacefully take their rights away. It is simply not realistic. It would take a bloody revolution to do that. Since the gender war is only one important part of the systematic destruction of our society, we have so many other systemic dysfunctions it's just not possible to fix everything. We would have to come up with a complete new better system which renders obsolete the former one.

    Remember always, that the majority of blupillers will fight and die to maintain this dysfunctional system in place. There is always a reason why wars are being fought apart from a few gaining financially from it but there are always goals to be achieved by sacrificing the lifes of young men willing to die for their country.

    History should teach us lessons, but is doesn't. Once you can accept that a Nation can defend itself from an external enemy but not against traitors from within it's own ranks . . . life gets a really new perspective. I have no trust in our politicians nor in justice and if someone still believes in it than I really can't help but shake my head.

    I have to come to accept certain realities for my own and I'm pretty sure that each of you has his own view and perception on the current situation.

    Do you guys think that the West can be saved?
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    The argument is probably a bit semantic. The west could be saved if we did x, y and z. The argument is then, can we do x, y, and z? I agree with your assessment that those things that could save the west will never happen. I think TFM is speaking more idealistically though. I'm not sure he thinks these things will ever happen either.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Yes the west can be saved...

    The government would need to initiate another 1960's love and peace culture. Infact, this could possibly save Japan. The governments will need to initiate it so everyone can look at social convention from the outside and see how it is creating so much division between us. Flower power needs to come back in order to bring everyone back together.

    The japanese need to challenge their ideas on overwork. They need to rebel. Their ideas on money and lifestyle need to be challenged. This is when Japanese babymaking comes back.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Didn't watch, but who needs a video to know that we're circling the drain.

    If there wasn't so many of us, that would help. If we used what wealth we have wisely there'd be a slim chance of success. But doing that would cut a bunch a rich people out of their gravy train, and we cant have that. If the place goes to hell, so what? Bunch a flag waving bastards who work overtime screwing the very country's they claim to love. Long as that's the way the wind blows, nothing will ever be fixed. Anything less is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

    Not that the man on the street ain't guilty either. Most people have no idea where anything comes from, let alone the behind the scene's cost in water, materials, energy or anything else it takes to put that stuff in their hot little hands. And if they did know, it's not likely they'd care.
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    The next housing market crash is going to change everything. This is because housing of single parent households has skyrocketed and that isn't sustainable.

    Also, ShogunRonin is correct that people's spending habits have to change to see the paradigm shift and with that economic shift comes cultural shifts too. The Major Developed countries of the world rely on growth and service based economies for couples with 2 children or less, single parents with 2 children or less and then singles with no children. That is why the least developed countries do not have the growth of the MDC's as they have on average more than 4 children per household and why poverty is so high.

    So it is a moral, ethical and economic question as to how many children to have if any? And how money is spent if it is not on children through a free market economy.

    Based on what I know the MDC's will have to see lower economic growth to enable greater births in these nations. Longterm that means greater economic growth when you have more citizens paying taxes.

    So it is a question about money now vs the future value of money.

    If ,gov runs out of money single parent households decrease, home buying decreases and thus you see a reset of sexual social dynamics between men and women. And this reset will involve a revert back to emphasis on sexual dimorphism as a value system. Current value system relies on spending and not saving and that favors women. In a value system where saving and investment is involved that favors men.

    tldr crowd: An economic downturn in the west will spur a shift in cultural attitudes and greater future economic growth.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    I think history would show that there is no saving the west as it is. Civilizations rise and fall on a cyclical basis. We're near the end of this one. It would seem the only two possibilities for the individual are find a place to jump to, or figure out a way to hunker down.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    The west will NOT be saved. The decline has begun and will only get worse. No nation has ever recovered once the decline begins. The U.S. is no exception.





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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    I think that the USA has a much greater chance of being saved than Europe. The only countries in Europe with any resemblance of mass resistance are Poland and Hungary. Britain could be included in this if we can ever relocate our backbone.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Keyknob View Post
    I think that the USA has a much greater chance of being saved than Europe. The only countries in Europe with any resemblance of mass resistance are Poland and Hungary. Britain could be included in this if we can ever relocate our backbone.
    Assuming there's no great crash, rural America might be a good place to ride things out. But if it really goes to hell we'll all be in the same boat soon enough.

    If there's no great smash up, but things continue to decline, what can we expect? I reckon it will be like it's always been, the tree will die a branch at a time, from the bottom up.

    When I was a kid, if you were a coal miner, a Mexican farm worker, a black city dweller, an Indian or one the poorer white's, you made less money than anyone else, but were taxed at a higher rate. Worse yet, you region was last in line for whatever good things the gov did hand out. You might get a road to leave town on, or some food no one else wants, but that's about it.

    Next in line were people like my parents, white working stiffs. Though still taxed hard and generally exploited, they had it better than the minority's. From there it went up to the trade and smaller business people. Each step of the way, people made a little more and paid a little less. They also got stuff like power plants, military bases, and the hundreds of other things that produce working class jobs.

    The rich will be the last to cut back, so for all you young guys it looks like another round of devil take the hindmost coming up sooner or later. Might not be fun if your already close to the bottom.
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    I think the best case scenario is the fall is quick enough yet soft enough to kill or wake up the weak. At that point maybe some sensible laws could get passed to turn things back around. At a minimum, it will be a couple of lost decades.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    The next housing market crash is going to change everything. This is because housing of single parent households has skyrocketed and that isn't sustainable.

    Also, ShogunRonin is correct that people's spending habits have to change to see the paradigm shift and with that economic shift comes cultural shifts too. The Major Developed countries of the world rely on growth and service based economies for couples with 2 children or less, single parents with 2 children or less and then singles with no children. That is why the least developed countries do not have the growth of the MDC's as they have on average more than 4 children per household and why poverty is so high.

    So it is a moral, ethical and economic question as to how many children to have if any? And how money is spent if it is not on children through a free market economy.

    Based on what I know the MDC's will have to see lower economic growth to enable greater births in these nations. Longterm that means greater economic growth when you have more citizens paying taxes.

    So it is a question about money now vs the future value of money.

    If ,gov runs out of money single parent households decrease, home buying decreases and thus you see a reset of sexual social dynamics between men and women. And this reset will involve a revert back to emphasis on sexual dimorphism as a value system. Current value system relies on spending and not saving and that favors women. In a value system where saving and investment is involved that favors men.

    tldr crowd: An economic downturn in the west will spur a shift in cultural attitudes and greater future economic growth.
    All true, Azure.

    The problem is really one single question: What is Money?
    When anyone is able to buy or sell something, what is it that they are exchanging?

    If you ask anyone on Wall Street, everyone will say the same thing-
    Debt is money.

    There is no limit to debt, so anyone on Wall Street would say that naturally.

    Money was supposed to be a commonly held storage of value.

    The problem for all of them is very simple. A man is the storage of value, no matter how this simple fact is denied.

    The woman in every single case is only a temporary investment in a mans' inherent value.
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Lets face it though - Feminism is getting more hostile each wave.

    How long is it before Feminists start taking up arms?

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    Lets face it though - Feminism is getting more hostile each wave.

    How long is it before Feminists start taking up arms?
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    I have certain Alt.-Right sympathies, but the Alt.-Right is largely borderline retarded on the issue of just how toxic white women are. The typical Trad Con says, "Man Up and get married, think of how happy you'll make a woman by giving her children and a home". While a typical Alt.-Right type will say, "Man up faggot-1488 breed our women. Go alpha on our women destroy ZOG programming". Both Trad Cons and the Alt.-Right are completely blind to the reality of white women in the west. What gets me, is the Alt.-Right shouldn't be as they are largely Generation X and Millennials and have seen first hand how bad they are.

    Reasonable people should be able to have honest discussions about Zionist Influence without being called a Nazi. On that, I totally agree with the Alt.-Right. Some on the Alt.-Right fail to understand that it was the WASP establishment(in America) that went along with abortion, homosexuality, and feminism. In that video by TFM, he points out the truth that the west cannot be restored until you take away women's rights.
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    the west cannot be restored until you take away women's rights.
    If you start down this path....where does it end??

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    he points out the truth that the west cannot be restored until you take away women's rights.
    Do you mean like Afghanistan style rights for all? I shudder at that thought. Really??? What are you?
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    @Chauvinist Pig-I'd sette for taking away the vote, doing away with family court, defunding the left (feminism exists because of gibs), restoring male authority, and putting women back in the home. Also, there is a not so dirty little secret about Afghanistan. It is full of homosexual pederasts who don't think of themselves as homosexual.
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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    In that video by TFM, he points out the truth that the west cannot be restored until you take away women's rights.
    I wish to go my own way.

    I am not seeking to impose my will on anyone else !

    I am not trying to "restore the west" or take away rights from a single soul !

    Taking away rights from anyone does not do a damn thing for me, except maybe make it easier for my rights to be taken away.

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    @Chauvinist Pig-I'd sette for taking away the vote, doing away with family court, defunding the left (feminism exists because of gibs), restoring male authority, and putting women back in the home. Also, there is a not so dirty little secret about Afghanistan. It is full of homosexual pederasts who don't think of themselves as homosexual.
    Are you out of your damn mind ?

    Listen to me, and listen to me well : I do not want women in my goddamned home !

    No, I do not want kids !
    No, I do not want women in my home !
    No, I do not want to get married !
    No, I do not want to be authority over anyone !

    What part of the word "no" do you not seem to get ?

    And, what the hell does any of this have to do with Afghanistan ? What is this, "Random Topic Night" ?

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    Re: Can the West be saved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Maddox View Post
    @Chauvinist Pig-I'd sette for taking away the vote
    How quaint, most of the women I know vote as I do. Again, what are you???
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