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    Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Wow, the harpies must really be getting desperate, funny how they think some tradcon rebranding will magically solve everything.

    Note, how it;s still totally focused on women and what they gain while nothing is said about what men get out of the deal....

    Bonus question - What is the one special thing we get??


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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    1st pillar of nonsense - "respect responsible choices" - Who determines what responsible is?


    2nd Pillar of nonsense - Men need to re-learn the use of the word "No." No to paying for bullshit we don't need or want, no to working shit, dangerous and undesirable jobs we do because "reasons." Most importantly "no" to anything that is not in our expressed best interest.


    The very end "women civilize (enslave) men." None of these people ever cared about equality....they desire is expectations and ability to judge without paying the price (free to make "responsible choices.")

    I'm making responsible choices and it starts and ends with manning the hell out of this train wreck.
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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    First Pillar: Dignity of Women
    1.she's super serious.
    2.how many other names has she had before she settled on Bruce?
    3.the femenist sorority has already agreed on being a physicist and engineer instead of a mother and wife. they better vote on any changes first.

    Second Pillar: Say No to Sex.
    1.if women don't say yes to sex first, they can't feel good saying no to sex later.
    2.she's really trying to make-up a history and science to prevent the knowledge of hypergamy.
    3.regardless of if women say no to 30-year old virgins, or if they say yes, those guys are still gonna make sex robots.

    Third Pillar: Men
    1. she is using so many philisophical generalizations instead of evidence, causes, or correlations.
    2. those guys making the sex robots and working in silicon valley have been doing pretty well without being civilized by women.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    I saw the youtube channel and thought what the hell is this bullsh*t.

    From their site: Prager University is not an accredited academic institution and does not offer certifications or diplomas. But it is a place where you are free to learn.

    From what I have seen they merely present ideology and hardly any scientific studies. It is a misleading name.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    What blew my mind was her idiotic claim that women "civilize men" and the graphic used was pretty dam insulting too.

    At no point in all of recorded history have women "tamed" the wilderness or "civilized" anything!

    It was and always has been men who went into the darkness and forged the path for women to meekly follow along because we always had to fight the horde first and then build the city in the new lands.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Meh.

    I'm ambivalent, of only because Tammy Bruce is described by some as an 'anti-feminist feminist' (in much the same way as Erin Pizzey has become).

    But, as always, there's that unrecognized and unmentionable caveat that involves the Pareto Principle in regard to sexual activity. Feminists wanted women to be able to 'behave like men' - which they saw as a form of 'freedom' - when, in truth, the great majority of men did not act in such ways, were not able to (women being the gatekeepers of sex, remember) and were often hostile (or, at least, disapproving) against those who did. The corollary here, as far as women are/were concerned, is that the biggest sluts were often shamed by The Sisterhood.

    In essence, there has to be a reverse cultural shift to move society onto a similar path - one that does not lead to the uncontrolled expression of women's innate desires without social disapprobation.

    If Tammy wants to lead the vanguard - fine by me! IDGAF.
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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Telling women to keep their legs shut is a total BS. Women have been trying to do this for the longest time trying to create a sexual shortage in order to raise the value of pussy. In order to do this, they try to shame women who give it away.

    Good luck with that.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    She couldn't even be bothered to come up with a new word for this, and she expects men to buy into it?

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    Cool Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    "Bound"


    Ready


    Darkness cover me


    I'm not ready to die, girl
    Because of what you don't tell me
    I'm not ready to walk inside of where you're taking me
    I'm not ready to die, girl
    Because of what you don't tell me
    I'm not willing to compromise the man i want to be


    Think you're a little bit closer
    To changing me
    You're never winning me over
    You're wasting time


    Leave me be


    I'm not ready to die, girl
    Because of what you don't tell me
    I'm never going to tow the line of your conformity
    I'm not ready to die, girl
    Because of what you don't tell me
    I'm not ready to leave the realm of anonymity


    Think you're a little bit closer
    To changing me
    You're never winning me over
    You're wasting time


    Get away from me


    Think you're a little bit closer
    To changing me
    You're never winning me over
    You're wasting time
    Disturbed's song "Bound" sums up my thoughts about this video.

    You can't put the shit back in the horse now. It's too little, too late, honey.

    Lastly, the notion that women civilize men is bullshit.
    If we (men) hadn't built everything, they (women) would still be living in grass huts, drinking contaminated rain water, and pooing/peeing into holes in the ground.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Here's a response to Bruce's Feminism 2.0 that has a POV and a few amusing swipes:

    Fuck You, Tammy Bruce
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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    I'm the only one seeing how that video is about a feminist trying to make more women act like women from the past so they can keep the power over men? All I understand of this video is how she say:

    DIGNITY:
    - We need more house wifes so we can conserve the rights this give us in family court.
    - We gonna see if your life choices as woman give the feminist some benefit and we name it "responsable choice" if not it's irresponsable.
    THE WORD NO:
    - You must close your legs since we can't control men if you give sex for free, you must charge more.
    - Also keep saying no, no is a powerful word and as a woman you must use it, so we can control men more and it's easy to claim false rape if you say no.
    - Keep saying no, really, we control men with sex and we are losing this power with all those sluts riding the carousel.
    MEN
    - Don't forget, your responsability as woman is to transform your man pet (or men harem) in money machines and make them spend as much money as possible triying to make you happy and other happy, you must never let a men to be himself or be happy, you must crush is dreams and aspirations, him only have to work and be a provider.
    - You must control men as much as possible with sex, frustration (deniying sex) and let them give you everything, so we women can keep using them as always.

    And of course, all this video is about how women are superior and how men are pigs and women must no be like men, even so, women must not forget that men are providers and the need of train them and use them, but in the end all the video is propaganda of woman good man bad, on in other words women riding the carousel are confuse, men sleeping around with many women is the worst evil.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    just 2TL.... too little, too late..
    "I live in freedom, under my own flag." - Captain Harlock

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    "In servitutem redigi non recuso" - Latin (translates to "I refuse to be dominated.")

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Twenty years ago, I used to work the swing shift at the Toyota parts warehouse in Torrance, California. I'd get off work at 11pm sometimes, and to wind down before going to bed, I'd listen to Tammy Bruce's talk show on one of the best AM radio stations in the country. Tammy was thought provoking and honest. I will still listen to whatever she has to say and make up my own mind. She was an early protestor against 3rd wave feminism, having been kicked out of NOW at least 25 years ago. This is not a recent conversion.
    What makes you happy? What brings you joy? What lifts your spirit? What tickles your fancy? What complements your mood? What catches your eye? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=durbQ7nVfQ8

    How do you look out for someone you love? How do you shelter their dreams? How do you cherish their innocence? How do you guide them through life? How do you watch over their travels? How do you show them you care? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd8PLHa6ec8

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Wow.... didnt think watching a video could make me want to actually vomit. Like mighty Mog said... too late to stuff the shit back into the horse. Laydeez... you are ruined. Your nature is completely on display on the web and in day to day life. There is no going back. In only a few more generations what little is left to society will be gone because of you. Men built it and you completely destroyed it. We gave you paradise and you made it your toilet. I will never again lift a finger to help any of you. Instead I will devote my life to waking men and pulling them out of gynocentric hell just like Private Desmond Dawson did in World War 2. Just one more..... please... just one more..... until we save them all. Sincerely laydeez.....Fuck you.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    As far as I am concerned, it is far too late to save Traditional Marriage. It would be like trying to "save" the Austro-Hungarian Empire in late 1918- it was far too gone to be saved and its fall would be inevitable.

    Her "Feminism 2.0" is just "Tranditionalism 2: Electric Bugaloo". Might as well be called "The Austro-Hungarian Empire 2.0" since it is just as viable.

    From my own view, one of the very core elements of MGTOW is the power of "no".

    No, I do not wish to be "civilized". The real term that comes to mind is "domestication", like cattle. I do not wish to be "civilized" into being a "good provider" (a resource to be utilized) for you.

    Also, totally unaddressed is the ability to use the system to asset strip us when it comes time for a divorce.

    No, as too many smart brothers here have said- I will pass.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    This video is a blatant attempt at damage control and re-branding. Feminism is eroding rapidly, and feminists are worried. I expect a few more offshoots or other versions of NeoFeminism to pop up before too long. There is a vacuum and nature abhors a vacuum.
    No matter what they call the next dominant strain of feminism, it will always be rooted in collectivism. That is the very core of feminism and why it is so dangerous. The contradictions in her 3 pillars alone make this whole thing specious. But we are here talking about it, so I guess that worked; just perhaps not as intended.

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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Realising the damage that feminism has caused they now look for what could be called a rebrand or to them what would be seen as a regressive step backwards.

    Problem is I'd imagine most feminists are already so molded in their train of thought and ways that they won't want to give or adopt Tammy Bruce's regressive steps and give any leway, if only because they will lose face, and they won't want that. They most likely won't see this new 'varient' as true feminism
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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    This is older, but she talked about a 'new' feminism, then mentions how women should not be defined by male desire or feminism, while still stressing this is 'new feminism'. Bullshit.

    She also used the old bullshit that women civilize men. What she really means is women want to 'domesticate' men and control them and make them committed utility provider slaves. Bad business contracts called marriage and referred to as 'romantic' and 'more meaningful' by women are one way feminism has already gained control over men via their willingness to enter into slavery (commit and marry).

    Feminism tells women that no one should define or tell a woman how to be or act, but that excludes of course, feminism defining and telling women how to be and act of course.

    No is power she says. Women, depend on the willingness of men to commit. The existing system of marriage still does as well.

    The power of 'No", she mentions that women should use (i.e. stop fucking around and stop opening your legs) is long gone. The power of NO resides with commitment now. No. Women can play nice all they like. Women can seem to change. But the culture and the groundwork for all the bias and control against men and the favored status of women in family/divorce courts/the legal system in general will not change even if women start 'pretending to be nice' again.

    Even if women decide to play nice for a time, there is still nothing in it for men because all women can choose to revert and 'be like that' whenever they damn well want.

    The laws must be changed. The culture and judicial system must change. And so much more...

    The fecal matter will not be going back into the equine's rear.

    Pass.
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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Damn right Demosthenes, no I won't commit, no I won't pay off your debts, no I won't let you move in.

    I'm liking this power of No!

    NO means No!
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    Re: Please return to the plantation... We've changed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeplyDisturbed View Post
    This video is a blatant attempt at damage control and re-branding. Feminism is eroding rapidly, and feminists are worried. I expect a few more offshoots or other versions of NeoFeminism to pop up before too long. There is a vacuum and nature abhors a vacuum.
    No matter what they call the next dominant strain of feminism, it will always be rooted in collectivism. That is the very core of feminism and why it is so dangerous. The contradictions in her 3 pillars alone make this whole thing specious. But we are here talking about it, so I guess that worked; just perhaps not as intended.
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