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    Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    This is from Youtube poster "Misandry Today," uploaded on April 12. He explains the current state of affairs and what women can do to repair things so that men who still wish to remain on the market will no longer feel threatened. I think he's pretty much spot-on, except for the notion that things actually are repairable, which I strongly disagree with. Your opinions, please.


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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    I remember MT. He wrote the book The Feminist Lie. I won't watch the video as it's description leads me to believe it to be a waste of time. Making any kind of pact with a woman or woman kind is akin to how the whites used to make treaties with the Indians...and then slaughter their villages in the name of manifest destiny.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    I remember MT. He wrote the book The Feminist Lie. I won't watch the video as it's description leads me to believe it to be a waste of time. Making any kind of pact with a woman or woman kind is akin to how the whites used to make treaties with the Indians...and then slaughter their villages in the name of manifest destiny.
    I watched he video, there was one part I liked. A part that is helping me put my red pill paradigm together.


    He clarified how todays woman has nothing to offer of value but sex. All the other fine qualities a woman could bring to a relationship has been lost because of feminism. Further, the value of their sex isn't worth the risk

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    In reality to my understanding the damage is done. I've repaired the damage by myself, on my own, with no assistance from women. Now I'm civil, cordial, polite, and decent toward them, however I want nothing to do with them as I see feminism has ran its course and still rampages against men in every arena of politics, law, and life in general. I feel like a fine tuned and polished automobile running through junkyards and demolition derbies avoiding debris, oil slicks, crash damage, and sporadic drivers that have no idea of the rules of the road, only because now the roads are obscured and all the markings are worn away, I do tend to travel with long term friends that know these rules and we accommodate one another by staying in our lanes and obeying the rules while the wreckage piles up and burns all around us.

    I did have to make modifications my grandfather couldn't comprehend in his earnest efforts to do so, we are now worlds apart like two separate planets from different solar systems.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    I did not make it through the entire video, but in response to the title: there is nothing they can do about it. I no longer expect the tiger to change its stripes; I no longer expect whimyn to act civilly or affectionately.

    If they wanted to convince me that they have changed and are worthy of my attention then they would have to start by changing DV and family laws. Once whimyn have lobbied for and achieved equal accountability under the law, I may show them some interest. But that is still an eternity away from romance.

    One nice thing about MGTOW: ghosts don't need to hold their breath.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    I listened to the whole thing while leaning out the door for a smoke. It seems to be a nice primer for feminists and the clueless. But it doesn't really scratch the surface of gynocentrism, male devaluation/disposability, our place as beasts of burden rather than people, or anything such as that.

    I'm still involved with many women, but one thing I noticed is that since I sobered up and got back on meds, my feelings of loneliness are drastically reduced. Also, being autistic/mentally ill (and insisting to live alone as a coping mechanism) diminished my dating pool dramatically, perhaps even moreso than being openly polyamorous. You might as well hose yourself down with Girl-B-Gone before leaving the house if you're a poly male, lol. And I really don't give a fuck. Solo polyamory is a very effective method of dealing with having to live alone due to disability; because all polyamorous folks have already chosen to abandon monogamy/tradcon values, and the relatively high rate of mental illness tends to produce MUCH more understanding people within the community.

    It's still gynocentric and feminist as all blazing hell, but vastly preferable to tradcons, in my book.
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    It is my philosophy that MGTOW is what men do. If there is to be an MRA movement, then I leave that to women. This is why I don't bag on A Voice for Men because of the high population of women in its leadership. When men advocate for themselves, they are viewed as whiners, even by other men. Only smart women can advocate for men.

    Our job is to take our balls and go home. If enough smart women figure out how bad things could get, and choose to lobby government to get things turned around, then I am happy to let them. That is however, none of my business.

    Good on the ones that have tried like JudgyBitch, Karen S., etc... But as you can see here, there simply aren't enough of them, and they aren't strong enough.

    I continue to look for an exit strategy for my son and myself. I believe the west will be totally on fire before I make my exit from this world.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    It will take a lot of women figuring out how bad things can become for them if enough men walk away and these women have to do something about it. Currently, the gyno system grants a lot of short term benefits to women both the whores and the virtuous women. Reducing the gyno bias of the current gyno system reduces the short term benefits to women so only the very few women who can see the long term effects of the system and can prioritize fighting for long term benefits over short term would be motivated to do anything about the current system. But, they would be going against the group think mentality of women and will likely be vilified by the group. So I don't expect women to do anything about the system until they are destitute and starving the streets and all of the Simps and White Knights are no more.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    It will take a lot of women figuring out how bad things can become for them if enough men walk away and these women have to do something about it. Currently, the gyno system grants a lot of short term benefits to women both the whores and the virtuous women. Reducing the gyno bias of the current gyno system reduces the short term benefits to women so only the very few women who can see the long term effects of the system and can prioritize fighting for long term benefits over short term would be motivated to do anything about the current system. But, they would be going against the group think mentality of women and will likely be vilified by the group. So I don't expect women to do anything about the system until they are destitute and starving the streets and all of the Simps and White Knights are no more.

    Exactly right.

    There is no way women will do anything positive to change the worsening situation. There are signs that the slippery slope is starting to affect them personally, but not quickly enough for them to see the end picture. Nothing will happen until after it has already become too late.

    A lot of men have accepted the situation, know the score and know where things will eventually head. More and more are learning as time goes by. Unfortunately, there are plenty more men about who will never learn and that will enable the illusion to keep going long enough for it to collapse entirely.

    Nobody really wins in the end. The one's of us that have refused to play anymore aren't really winning anything either ...we're just refusing to lose.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Yep, how long until the supply of White Knights, Simps, Trad Cons, and Beta Wallets runs out? The falling marriage rates and Speed Rejection Events without men suggest the supplies of disposable men are less than before. Japan's Herbivore Man phenomenon shows that a large percentage of men can walk away from the plantation.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    It is my philosophy that MGTOW is what men do. If there is to be an MRA movement, then I leave that to women. This is why I don't bag on A Voice for Men because of the high population of women in its leadership. When men advocate for themselves, they are viewed as whiners, even by other men. Only smart women can advocate for men.

    Our job is to take our balls and go home. If enough smart women figure out how bad things could get, and choose to lobby government to get things turned around, then I am happy to let them. That is however, none of my business.

    Good on the ones that have tried like JudgyBitch, Karen S., etc... But as you can see here, there simply aren't enough of them, and they aren't strong enough.

    I continue to look for an exit strategy for my son and myself. I believe the west will be totally on fire before I make my exit from this world.
    I’m hoping for nuclear fire before my exit. But that is my personal preference, not everybody probably feels the same.
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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by #Redpillbible View Post
    I’m hoping for nuclear fire before my exit. But that is my personal preference, not everybody probably feels the same.
    #METOO! I wanna be directly under the fireball at ground zero! It would be a perfect end to my life and an accurate reflection to how many times I've been hopelessly and incontrovertibly FUCKED!

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    #METOO! I wanna be directly under the fireball at ground zero! It would be a perfect end to my life and an accurate reflection to how many times I've been hopelessly and incontrovertibly FUCKED!
    Be sure to take a catcher's mitt, that's what I used to say when schoolteachers would run drills back in the Cold War... You can't hide from a nuke by ducking under your desk.
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

    Abandon the Abandoners. Go Your Own Way, on a molecular scale. <3

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    Be sure to take a catcher's mitt, that's what I used to say when schoolteachers would run drills back in the Cold War... You can't hide from a nuke by ducking under your desk.
    You couldn't hide under your desk from a nuke but you could look up Sally's dress!

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    PBisque's post pissed me off so hard I to walk away for a while. Targetting children in any way should be considered the mark of a dangerous radical... those people should thrown in a cage and studied. Prison will have to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Keyknob View Post
    Exactly right.

    There is no way women will do anything positive to change the worsening situation. There are signs that the slippery slope is starting to affect them personally, but not quickly enough for them to see the end picture. Nothing will happen until after it has already become too late.

    A lot of men have accepted the situation, know the score and know where things will eventually head. More and more are learning as time goes by. Unfortunately, there are plenty more men about who will never learn and that will enable the illusion to keep going long enough for it to collapse entirely.

    Nobody really wins in the end. The one's of us that have refused to play anymore aren't really winning anything either ...we're just refusing to lose.
    About that.. I expect societal collapse to begin in 30 years, for a number of reasons. And society will be in no place to prevent it.
    I give it 15 years before enough MGTOW (or at least people who won't co-habitate) reaches such a mass that women start with the non-stop shaming on mainstream and social media.. Because ofcourse that's what they'll do first.. When it doesn't work, they'll go for the pitchforks and torches on a mass scale.

    But everything is not yet lost. At this point, MGTOW should really start preparing for economic and food-chain collapse. By which I mean, get so good at living off the grid, far away from any large cities, that if the power goes down for a month, you won't starve or get eaten. Just study the Great Depression, triple the population, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

    Trade embargos, protectionist measures.. It's going to come again. Add in a staggering autism rate, so the younger generations won't be capable of taking over production. Mechanization and soft AI will go a long way, but not nearly far enough. And then Climate Change is gonna smash into the world like a hammer of the gods, that won't stop falling for 10,000 years.

    Sorry to be a doomsayer, but... Well *shrug*
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

    Abandon the Abandoners. Go Your Own Way, on a molecular scale. <3

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    PBisque's post pissed me off so hard I to walk away for a while. Targetting children in any way should be considered the mark of a dangerous radical... those people should thrown in a cage and studied. Prison will have to do.



    About that.. I expect societal collapse to begin in 30 years, for a number of reasons. And society will be in no place to prevent it.
    I give it 15 years before enough MGTOW (or at least people who won't co-habitate) reaches such a mass that women start with the non-stop shaming on mainstream and social media.. Because ofcourse that's what they'll do first.. When it doesn't work, they'll go for the pitchforks and torches on a mass scale.

    But everything is not yet lost. At this point, MGTOW should really start preparing for economic and food-chain collapse. By which I mean, get so good at living off the grid, far away from any large cities, that if the power goes down for a month, you won't starve or get eaten. Just study the Great Depression, triple the population, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

    Trade embargos, protectionist measures.. It's going to come again. Add in a staggering autism rate, so the younger generations won't be capable of taking over production. Mechanization and soft AI will go a long way, but not nearly far enough. And then Climate Change is gonna smash into the world like a hammer of the gods, that won't stop falling for 10,000 years.

    Sorry to be a doomsayer, but... Well *shrug*
    Fuck yea! Someone toss this man a nuke!


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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    I wouldn't worry about climate change, it's likely a hoax. They've been declaring imminent doom for fifty years now (and taxing the population all the while) and there's currently as much ice on the north pole as there was in 2006. It's just not happening.

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Gone View Post
    I wouldn't worry about climate change, it's likely a hoax. They've been declaring imminent doom for fifty years now (and taxing the population all the while) and there's currently as much ice on the north pole as there was in 2006. It's just not happening.
    Well I would worry about climate change, the science is overwhelming. Nobody has ever declared
    imminent doom, rather a gradually worsening situation. I live a minimalist lifestyle which includes not owning a car so any "green tax" won't have much effect on my life. I find it amusing how people have such an issue with any kind of "green tax" but have no problem giving their money to greedy oil companies.
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global...Denial_tactics

    My long term aim is to live somewhere else in the world away from all this mess, the pacific islands are off my list for this very reason.


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    Nah, climate change is totally real. In fact, I came up with an experiment that YOU can perform with stuff in your house that proves it. Here's the blanket analogy...

    Okay, so these scientists and Al Gore and everybody have been total idiots trying to explain this. They make it sound all complex when in fact it is the simplest thing in imagination. You see, the thicker something is, the better it insulates. Everybody who's ever had to turn back a blanket because they were too hot in bed already knows this. Insulation is a matter of density, nothing more. The thicker your blanket, the better it insulates. The thicker the atmosphere, the better it insulates. Same *exact* physical principle. Third grade physics, nothing fancy to it...

    As for the experiment, it's easy as pie. Just dress up like you're getting ready for Snowpocalypse, then walk outside on a summer day... and then DON'T sweat. If you sweat, you just proved that insulative properties are function of mass/density, and that Global Warming is real. So all those cars and factories and whatever that pump Carbon Dioxide are in fact thickening the atmosphere, one teensy bit at a time.

    And like all MGTOW know, one teensy bit at a time, ignored by the world; is causing the speed-dating market to crash and burn. Just like global warming.
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    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

    Abandon the Abandoners. Go Your Own Way, on a molecular scale. <3

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    Re: Women: Why Men Are Avoiding Romance, and What You Can Do About It

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    Nah, climate change is totally real. In fact, I came up with an experiment that YOU can perform with stuff in your house that proves it.

    Okay, so these scientists and Al Gore and everybody have been total idiots trying to explain this. They make it sound all complex when in fact it is the simplest thing in imagination. You see, the thicker something is, the better it insulates. Everybody who's ever had to turn back a blanket because they were too hot in bed already knows this. Insulation is a matter of density, nothing more. The thicker your blanket, the better it insulates. The thicker the atmosphere, the better it insulates. Same *exact* physical principle. Third grade physics, nothing fancy to it...

    As for the experiment, it's easy as pie. Just dress up like you're getting ready for Snowpocalypse, then walk outside on a summer day... and then DON'T sweat. If you sweat, you just proved that insulative properties are function of mass/density, and that Global Warming is real. So all those cars and factories and whatever that pump Carbon Dioxide are in fact thickening the atmosphere, one teensy bit at a time.

    And like all MGTOW know, one teensy bit at a time, ignored by world; is causing the speed-dating market to crash and burn. Just like global warming.
    Gee, so what you're telling me is the thick atmosphere insulates us "from" the sun? After all the heat source is external and therefore less heat will penetrate the atmosphere? Or is it just climate change now so they can have it both ways, have their cake and eat it too? Hell of a way to win an argument, standing on both sides of the fence, damn am I stupid, I should use that method instead of facts and logic!


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