Thread: When did you give up?

I read a book called "splitting". It was on extracting yourself from marriage when you are married to a BPD or narcissist. It's a good book that I still recommend. I also read "The Rational Male" and starting reading Rollo's blog. It was my first exposure to red pill information. I was struck by how indistinguishable the behavior described in "splitting" was from that described by Rollo. To this day, I say their is in fact no difference. I remember Rollo had put some energy into differentiating between mental illness and "normal female behavior", but I remain unconvinced. It did and still seems like a distinction without a difference.

Originally Posted by pbisque

I read a book called "splitting". It was on extracting yourself from marriage when you are married to a BPD or narcissist. It's a good book that I still recommend. I also read "The Rational Male" and starting reading Rollo's blog. It was my first exposure to red pill information. I was struck by how indistinguishable the behavior described in "splitting" was from that described by Rollo. To this day, I say their is in fact no difference. I remember Rollo had put some energy into differentiating between mental illness and "normal female behavior", but I remain unconvinced. It did and still seems like a distinction without a difference.

A very good point !


Its like ...would you believe me if i said that in prison there is a group of inmates that are given heroin 4 times per day but they have to scam people by calling them and pretend that they are calling from police , the bank , hospital or whatever . And have to convince to give their bank details and passwords or just transfer money to them .

The scammers make hundreds of thousands of money every month . And the prison head warden has never been inside the prison . Desnt even know where the entrance is .

Would you believe me or would you think that im a looney ?

It all depends of how much you know about the real world and not what you see on TV .

If you know how women really are its not a mental illness . But if you live in a fairy tale then yes you would think they are wacked .

Originally Posted by pbisque

I read a book called "splitting". It was on extracting yourself from marriage when you are married to a BPD or narcissist. It's a good book that I still recommend. I also read "The Rational Male" and starting reading Rollo's blog. It was my first exposure to red pill information. I was struck by how indistinguishable the behavior described in "splitting" was from that described by Rollo. To this day, I say their is in fact no difference. I remember Rollo had put some energy into differentiating between mental illness and "normal female behavior", but I remain unconvinced. It did and still seems like a distinction without a difference.

I am mid way through Rollo's 3rd book after having read the first two and I would have to agree that female solipsism is at a minimum a pretty severe mental deficiency/handicap.

For me it's happened very gradually. It's hard to put into words, and I'm not even sure I fully understand it myself. When I was younger I was obsessed with girls. All I really wanted was a decent looking girlfriend to cuddle and have sex with. Someone who was affectionate, honest, and loyal, who I could enjoy being around. Sounds simple, right?

Well, turns out it was almost impossible to find. I had plenty of success in terms of getting laid, but other than that my experiences with them were absolutely fucking horrible. No matter how bad it was, though, I just kept trying harder. I could literally write a book about it...a THICK book. Like War and Peace thick. For all my effort, I found ONE girl who fit all of the criteria I described above. Ironically, she was the one who burned me worse than anyone...which is really saying something.

It was only after my relationship with her ended that I realized I had to go my own way...I realized I'd never find what I was looking for, because it never existed. I realized I was literally destroying myself looking for something that I'd never find, and I needed to move on or it would kill me. I joined a MGTOW forum, and the rest is history. That was a couple years ago. I'm 32 now, and my life could not be better. MGTOW didn't just help me find a better place, it saved me.

Now my life is awesome. I have a lot of passions, hobbies and interests that I am fully immersed in all the time. My career is going great, I have a lot of financial goals that I am making progress on. I will have my student loans paid off by the time I'm 35, have a six figure net worth a few years after that, and I should have enough to retire on well before I reach 50. My goal is to retire in the Philippines and start a business there, maybe building guitar amps, or something. I might also take a sort of semi-retirement here first, working part time and just doing my thing in the meantime.

I have a lot of ideas, and a lot of things I want to do with my life. I'm working really hard right now, but I'm also really enjoying my life. For the first time in my life I feel really hopeful about the future. I'm doing all the things I always dreamed of doing, and life is just great. I don't see women the same way at all. I don't feel tempted by them, or even interested anymore. When my blue-pill fantasies pop back up every once in awhile, now there is a rational voice in my head that says "dude...everything is going so great, why would you want to go fuck everything up?" Even sex doesn't interest me, because I know what comes with it, and I'm not interested. Besides that, the women I see are pretty much all disgusting, damaged sluts who would try to ruin my life. What a joke.

So for me, there is really no reason and no temptation to pursue women at all anymore. Especially when I have so many other things that are actually worthy of pursuing. I just have better things to do now. I can pursue women, and watch my life go right back to shit like it always did, or I can keep pursuing my own goals and just watch my life keep getting better and better. It's a really easy choice...and I don't think I'm ever going back. I finally realized I never needed one to begin with, and I'm actually a lot better off and happier without one.

Originally Posted by Xanthine

For me it's happened very gradually. It's hard to put into words, and I'm not even sure I fully understand it myself. When I was younger I was obsessed with girls. All I really wanted was a decent looking girlfriend to cuddle and have sex with. Someone who was affectionate, honest, and loyal, who I could enjoy being around. Sounds simple, right?

I was like that too. I thought what I wanted was so simple and innocent, someone to hang with and get ice cream, hold hands with. It turned out that it was easier to hire escorts and fuck them.

That said, I was also pretty broken. The first girl who liked me was when I was around 16, I liked her too but I was so damaged by that point that I was unwilling and too insecure to make any moves on her even though looking back she was making it quite clear she wanted more. I was just enjoying the idea that I could spend time with her. I guess you would call it "siege mentality" just making the most of what you have because you are too scared to push for more for fear of losing the lot.

I had another "event" that pushes me away. By modern standards, if the genders where reversed, I was sexually assaulted by a women. It was ugly for sure, but what was worse was how easily I could have ended the situation if I didn't have the law to worry about. In a free world, I would have kicked the bitches ass, but then who would have ended up in jail?

Our laws are so out of wack. Right now, there are two cases where 6 ft plus dudes are getting charged with assault because the defended themselves from women that where attacking them. One is even charged with assault with a deadly weapon, presumably because of his size.

Women are actually in a state of mind where they know they can do what ever they want to a man and he is helpless to defend himself because a bunch of dumb ass white knight cops will ride in to squash the dude if he dare lift a finger in his own self defense. This is what can happen, when women attack:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ne-stolen.html

While looking for this link, I just found out that this tool plead for leniency for these crazy bitches.

Men, we are doing this to ourselves. MGTOW Ghost is the only way to survive the blue pill men in this world. Women really aren't the problem. Blue pill men are.

Originally Posted by pbisque

I had another "event" that pushes me away. By modern standards, if the genders where reversed, I was sexually assaulted by a women. It was ugly for sure, but what was worse was how easily I could have ended the situation if I didn't have the law to worry about. In a free world, I would have kicked the bitches ass, but then who would have ended up in jail?

Our laws are so out of wack. Right now, there are two cases where 6 ft plus dudes are getting charged with assault because the defended themselves from women that where attacking them. One is even charged with assault with a deadly weapon, presumably because of his size.

Women are actually in a state of mind where they know they can do what ever they want to a man and he is helpless to defend himself because a bunch of dumb ass white knight cops will ride in to squash the dude if he dare lift a finger in his own self defense. This is what can happen, when women attack:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ne-stolen.html

While looking for this link, I just found out that this tool plead for leniency for these crazy bitches.

Men, we are doing this to ourselves. MGTOW Ghost is the only way to survive the blue pill men in this world. Women really aren't the problem. Blue pill men are.

Another reason I stayed away from women as much as I could. I really did fear this kind of stuff well before #metoo etc. Women seem to think they can touch a man, even if it is just touching his shoulder or somewhere innocent, if I did that to them I would be carted away in hand cuffs.

And the language they use "Honey, darling" etc. They do that at work too, if I said that, I would be in front of HR.

And of course women can assault men for any reason they like, even if the man was never a physical threat to her https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-woman.html

Originally Posted by Xanthine

For me it's happened very gradually. It's hard to put into words, and I'm not even sure I fully understand it myself. When I was younger I was obsessed with girls. All I really wanted was a decent looking girlfriend to cuddle and have sex with. Someone who was affectionate, honest, and loyal, who I could enjoy being around. Sounds simple, right?

Well, turns out it was almost impossible to find. I had plenty of success in terms of getting laid, but other than that my experiences with them were absolutely fucking horrible. No matter how bad it was, though, I just kept trying harder. I could literally write a book about it...a THICK book. Like War and Peace thick. For all my effort, I found ONE girl who fit all of the criteria I described above. Ironically, she was the one who burned me worse than anyone...which is really saying something.

It was only after my relationship with her ended that I realized I had to go my own way...I realized I'd never find what I was looking for, because it never existed. I realized I was literally destroying myself looking for something that I'd never find, and I needed to move on or it would kill me. I joined a MGTOW forum, and the rest is history. That was a couple years ago. I'm 32 now, and my life could not be better. MGTOW didn't just help me find a better place, it saved me.

Now my life is awesome. I have a lot of passions, hobbies and interests that I am fully immersed in all the time. My career is going great, I have a lot of financial goals that I am making progress on. I will have my student loans paid off by the time I'm 35, have a six figure net worth a few years after that, and I should have enough to retire on well before I reach 50. My goal is to retire in the Philippines and start a business there, maybe building guitar amps, or something. I might also take a sort of semi-retirement here first, working part time and just doing my thing in the meantime.

I have a lot of ideas, and a lot of things I want to do with my life. I'm working really hard right now, but I'm also really enjoying my life. For the first time in my life I feel really hopeful about the future. I'm doing all the things I always dreamed of doing, and life is just great. I don't see women the same way at all. I don't feel tempted by them, or even interested anymore. When my blue-pill fantasies pop back up every once in awhile, now there is a rational voice in my head that says "dude...everything is going so great, why would you want to go fuck everything up?" Even sex doesn't interest me, because I know what comes with it, and I'm not interested. Besides that, the women I see are pretty much all disgusting, damaged sluts who would try to ruin my life. What a joke.

So for me, there is really no reason and no temptation to pursue women at all anymore. Especially when I have so many other things that are actually worthy of pursuing. I just have better things to do now. I can pursue women, and watch my life go right back to shit like it always did, or I can keep pursuing my own goals and just watch my life keep getting better and better. It's a really easy choice...and I don't think I'm ever going back. I finally realized I never needed one to begin with, and I'm actually a lot better off and happier without one.

People are sometimes pissed and dreaming a little bit that it would be super cool if MGTOW was a movement and we could wear a shirt ...

Just right now Mens Movement in Russia started to fight among each other and of course calling each other faggots because one side welcomes women in it and the other doesnt


Its not the women per se its investing yourself in other people be it family or friends is a losing investment .


You will wake up one day and realize that your closest besties are just a bunch of rednecks that cant see further than their nose . And never actually supported you in anything . Cause they cant understand you . Cant understand shit .

And cant be bothered .

Add another man to the list:

Lil Bow Wow now. Look at what she did to his face, and he goes to jail. SMH

I gave up 2 years after my divorce when I tried dating as a mid-forties divorced dad with limited financial means due to divorce. Women in their forties seemed even WORSE than their younger counter parts about what they want the man to bring to the table, while all of their OWN past life drama and baggage was just A-Okay. More single mothers are now looking down their noses at single fathers and divorced dads. Hey, at least they're being honest! They don't want a guy giving the big three resources (time, energy and money) to anybody but her, and perhaps her own children. The thirst out there is simply incredible, for such mediocre yet entitled women to even get a date in the first place. 4 or 5 dates in, I had a good laugh and I was done. I refused to be "vetted" by such patently ordinary women with such laughable standards but pretty much typical life situations.

Buying expensive food and drink so you can attend what amounts to a "bad job interview" where the interviewer has a three-page list of expectations and 100 semi-finalists to face the vetting process...

Yeah. It's mostly sad but also pretty damned funny.

After that experience, fall 2015, that I became 100% MGTOW, probably for life.

Originally Posted by pbisque

Add another man to the list:

Lil Bow Wow now. Look at what she did to his face, and he goes to jail. SMH

He faces far more severe charges too. That is messed up.

Normies will never give up the dream because it would mean that they are admitting society as a whole is dysfunctional.

Originally Posted by Azure Nomad

He faces far more severe charges too. That is messed up.

Normies will never give up the dream because it would mean that they are admitting society as a whole is dysfunctional.

There is and has never been a society in a first place . There was of course but it wasnt what we think it is .

Society is as real as public opinion . Society of who exactly ? Opinion of who exactly ?

Society of forced labor ?

It took the whole spring and summer for a peasant to prepare just enough food to live through a winter , not always enough .

How was it possible for a king or a duke with his army to survive the same winter ?

.....forced fucking labor just like it is today .

Just you dont even need your own army there are blue pillers for that

Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov

People are sometimes pissed and dreaming a little bit that it would be super cool if MGTOW was a movement and we could wear a shirt ...

That is how everything goes to shit. People stand behind a label, then a flag with a symbol on it (like that yellow MGTOW sign, eh), and then the labels and symbols get more and more divorced from reality, especially as they get more popular. How did Mark Twain put it? “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”

Originally Posted by Zoidberg

That is how everything goes to shit. People stand behind a label, then a flag with a symbol on it (like that yellow MGTOW sign, eh), and then the labels and symbols get more and more divorced from reality, especially as they get more popular. How did Mark Twain put it? “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”

And then the usual suspects you are warning people against join your ranks . The usual marketing guru salesmen and women .

Its ok you post a video on tube it is ok ... but if a dude is posting a MGTOW video every day lol you dont have to even think - he is selling something he wouldnt buy himself .

Either it is just trying to monetize straight away or selling some other ideas of some sect like Jesus , dont masturbate and so on . ( dont masturbate is the biggest fad in Russian speaking internet )

And if it comes to that it is business is business and you start to mince your words trying to appeal to a wider audience of customers . Soften your voice , women , babies , puppies .

And not one word of truth .

Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov

And then the usual suspects you are warning people against join your ranks . The usual marketing guru salesmen and women .

Its ok you post a video on tube it is ok ... but if a dude is posting a MGTOW video every day lol you dont have to even think - he is selling something he wouldnt buy himself .

Either it is just trying to monetize straight away or selling some other ideas of some sect like Jesus , dont masturbate and so on . ( dont masturbate is the biggest fad in Russian speaking internet )

And if it comes to that it is business is business and you start to mince your words trying to appeal to a wider audience of customers . Soften your voice , women , babies , puppies .

And not one word of truth .

Women are the fucking pinnacle of the idiocracy . Especially the ones with PhDs . They have everything put on a plate for them about MGTOW lol and they still repeat their bullshit with straight face .

" Well , a man should talk to his woman , they should work it out , tell her how he feels , maybe they have to find some time and set up a little date like it was while they were dating ... "

My dear god The dude is jacking off to porn like he should be and how in the hell talking it out with his wife will change the desire to jack off looking at the college girl strip dancing

LOL like my gf LOL i told her one time that im gonna show her some porn for her to see how i would like my dick sucked LOL . It is so embarrassing and she was yay all exited like at last you opened up to me . I showed her a video she looked for a minute and then went " but i dont know how could she do it maybe if she loved him very much i dont know , i dont think it is possible to do like she does if you are not in love .... "


FUCK !!!!

Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov

Women are the fucking pinnacle of the idiocracy . Especially the ones with PhDs . They have everything put on a plate for them about MGTOW lol and they still repeat their bullshit with straight face .

" Well , a man should talk to his woman , they should work it out , tell her how he feels , maybe they have to find some time and set up a little date like it was while they were dating ... "

My dear god The dude is jacking off to porn like he should be and how in the hell talking it out with his wife will change the desire to jack off looking at the college girl strip dancing

LOL like my gf LOL i told her one time that im gonna show her some porn for her to see how i would like my dick sucked LOL . It is so embarrassing and she was yay all exited like at last you opened up to me . I showed her a video she looked for a minute and then went " but i dont know how could she do it maybe if she loved him very much i dont know , i dont think it is possible to do like she does if you are not in love .... "


FUCK !!!!

Yeah, I have always found that to be the biggest double standard of all time. When SHE FEELS something is wrong than that is it, it's gospel and it must be corrected and now! When he feels something is wrong than he is feeling things the wrong way and needs to man up and be less sensitive. Of course just moments ago he was told to talk about his feelings and be more sensitive but that doesn't suit her now so she wants the tough guy again.

It's all bullshit.

I gave up taking them seriously after I found out my first girlfriend in the seventh grade was sexing up a senior in high school at the same time she was making out with me at the movies and whatnot. I think I was basically a combination MGTOW/PUA after that at the age of 13, somehow I went blue pill again in my mid to late twenties and then into my mid thirties until a few more wake up calls truly educated me to the nature of females of my species.

Fucking jaded at 13...

Originally Posted by Joe Bauers

I gave up taking them seriously after I found out my first girlfriend in the seventh grade was sexing up a senior in high school at the same time she was making out with me at the movies and whatnot. I think I was basically a combination MGTOW/PUA after that at the age of 13, somehow I went blue pill again in my mid to late twenties and then into my mid thirties until a few more wake up calls truly educated me to the nature of females of my species.

Fucking jaded at 13...

A girl I liked when I was around 14 was like that. We were never together or anything like that but I did like her. Anyway, I knew I was never going to be able to compete. She was the same age as me but she was dating some guy in his early to mid 20's. A 14 y.o just can't beat a guy with a car and a proper job! Anyway, he ended up breaking her heart.

About 10 years ago I was bored at work so I started looking up the old high school on Facebook and I ended up coming across her. I don't know if she looked different when I knew her but she is a dog now and a crazed Leftard.

Sometimes our losses turn into wins later on!

Originally Posted by Morlock

A girl I liked when I was around 14 was like that. We were never together or anything like that but I did like her. Anyway, I knew I was never going to be able to compete. She was the same age as me but she was dating some guy in his early to mid 20's. A 14 y.o just can't beat a guy with a car and a proper job! Anyway, he ended up breaking her heart.

About 10 years ago I was bored at work so I started looking up the old high school on Facebook and I ended up coming across her. I don't know if she looked different when I knew her but she is a dog now and a crazed Leftard.

Sometimes our losses turn into wins later on!

Bahahaha she was a dog at the time too

Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov

Bahahaha she was a dog at the time too

More than likely!