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    We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    It's as though the media has made up its mind. It's okay, no its GOOD for men to have their lives destroyed based on something they may have done. Its good for them to lose their livelihood, have their character they built up over decades assassinated; it's good for them to force them to become a pariah before the facts have been weighed.

    Walking away isn't always the answer; the threat grows from inaction. What we need now within the community of men is a campaign of fear. We need to tell stories, real life ones of a man who had everything going for him, a fiancee, a career on the upswing, loved by his family and friends - and then accused of harassment by an office rival....causing him to get fired, drain all his savings fighting the legal case, cause his fiancee to walk out on him, and depend on welfare to get by only to spend his days in trial and with employers refusing to hire him. Now we need to remind these men- was there ever a case where you didn't get a long with a woman in the office? Was there a case where you dated at work and then had a bad breakup? Can you envision any case at a social outing you said or did something that could be misconstrued? Well, you COULD be the next. If you don't think it could happen to you, do you think that X, Y, and Z expected to become unemployed, hated and destitute?

    The campaign needs to be repeated over and again; the names and examples changing, the method of communication changing based on the medium but the theme remaining constant. Over and over until the average man on the street is convinced that his life may be over any day- everything he built. That he lives in a society that would be happy to hang him if it meant satisfying their own sense of self-righteousness. We should get such people to go on tour giving speeches on how they barely can make rent, and have had to beg their friends for money; and have had social groups shun them while they live alone in public housing. These people-the FALSELY ACCUSED- must become household names among single men. They must become the men we root for. contribute to, and serve as cautionary tales from a society that does NOT respect and value the average man; sure they respect the millionaire and the CEO and the famous, the athletes. But not you. You they would be happy to convict ahead of the facts and if you suffer in silence and are hated for what someone says you did, that is just too bad. If you died, they would not only not care, they would consider it an accomplishment of theirs.

    They want to laugh at us. They want to laugh at the falsely accused and that men are 'fearful' of what may happen to them if a woman merely says the word. The Powerful Men who seemingly are the target of Me Too are the actual perpetrators still are largely safe unless they have truly ventured into 'rape territory'. The real target of such people is the common man; the 80%'er. The one who could not afford a lawyer or a publicist to fight the court of public opinion or a civil suit. The 80% is contemptible to BOTH women (for reasons we've discussed due to a woman's natural hypergamy re-ignited from tribal days due to feminism) AND to powerful men that shape the narrative.

    I know there will always be some men who assume indifference is the best path in all cases, that's fine. For men who are aware of where we're headed, it's never too late to scare the living bejeesus out of your fellow men with a story or two of the falsely accused. Men have many strengths but we are caught unaware by a rival we refuse to take seriously; preferring to downplay our concern and therefore seem more 'masculine' ("concerned with women, hah!"), our pigheadedness can be our undoing. Its okay to feel fear; one shouldn't be smiling or placid in the face of having everything taken away from you. We need to build and then channel that fear into a brotherhood that knows the score and acts accordingly.

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    Re: We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    I throw my two cents in when I get the chance, but don't think its helping much. What we really need is some way to burn these bitch's for talking trash in the first place. How that can be done I'm not sure. But as long as they can lie their ass's off and get away with it, we're toast.


    If I was a rich fuck, I'd sue, even though I hate the courts. Win or lose, they got to defend themselves. But I couldn't afford it, nor am I accused of anything.

    A PR campaign might be worth trying. I usually don't go there, but did once when a friend pulled a dick move. Unknown to me, his brother in laws were on his ass for months till he squared things up. They really went to town on the guy. So if you happened to be tight with someone your accuser cares about, that might help. I know that's a real longshot, but what the hey? It might work on a local level.
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    Re: We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    Talking about the good life of mgtow is important. But to lead to that portion of the good life as a man you have to discuss to other men openly what you avoid to reach that point and what boundaries you must understand exist that society doesn't want men to know.

    Leading by example isn't enough often times, because most often most men are lost in the daily grind of life. But taking a few minutes to sit down and discuss with other men such issues can impact a man for a life time. I have done this with many of my younger male coworkers many times, because they do no have male father figures in their lives. I was lucky that I had my father in most of my life, so I can transfer my father's knowledge, and my knowledge, to the next generation.

    The mainstream narrative has labeled any older man that asserts their paternal authority as toxic. But these same men are the ones that held strong to sanity and reason and from the lunatics from taking over for a long period of time. The problem now is that social media has become so wide spread that a lot of young men do not understand the brainwashing potential it has and social media is the worst possible place to seek role models. A role model to emulate is a man you know in real life with a life put together that is logical and with a purpose. Also, what these young men must learn to harness is social media as the tool intended and not be consumed by the gossip nature of it that consumes women.

    In the end mgtow has been described as survival and that is very accurate, because fear is a great motivator to self examine your life and examine the people and society around you. The best way to wake up a man that is caught up in this malaise of current society is to ask him simple, but poignant questions. The most important being what do you value as a man in life? Integrity, honor, honesty, hard work, relaxation, etc? Then you must point out that there are those out there ready to take it all away with lies and manipulation.

    It is easier than ever now to convince men of what is happening all around them. Saving even one man's life is better than nothing which is why discussion about mgtow ideas should continue, because the conversation is healthy for men to continue to have. My worst fear is that men stop the conversation about these issues and pretend that this is normal. It is not normal or acceptable for men to be denied due process anywhere on this earth IMO.

    This is also a direct attack against democratic institutions that men have built, so civilization is at stake. False accusations are short term power plays for victimhood olympics but long term if normalized can damage a society. We as man need to clearly communicate this is not acceptable standard for any society.

    I have already started to make a greater effort to avoid businesses that cater to the poundmetoo movement. I am not powerless as I still yield my individual power as a man. The challenge as always though is how to convince large groups of men to realize that these false accusations are not acceptable.

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    Re: We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    Well, one good thing comes from all the hysteria: now, more than ever, men will see that women are no longer worth it (were they ever? well, up to you to decide ..) . And employers will maybe start to focus less on divershitty and more on meritocracy now considering the minefield they're inviting into their workplaces

    PS: When did men ever have a voice unless they had the proper social position?
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    Re: We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    Feminism has drawn a new line in the sand.

    "We will destroy the lives of men - individual men - any way we can, and then call it justice."

    When poked, these people just say "If you were a decent human being you would not have been accused in the first place."

    It's shocking, the level of programming of the "common mind" feminism has been able to achieve under the guise of "girl power".

    The cancer of feminism has reached society's brain.
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    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
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    Re: We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post

    The cancer of feminism has reached society's brain.
    Sorry; society has no brain. Society is female driven, through and through, and always has been. The most you can say about society is that it has an amygdala, sufficient for primitive emotion, but not enough for reason. In that way society mirrors its creators; women.

    Don't confuse society with culture or civilization. Civilization is built and maintained by men, mostly betas. Society lives in the walls that civilization builds. Society is momentary and ephemeral. Society lives in the moment, with no concern for the future and little memory of the past (except in fantasy worlds of women's' fevered imaginations, you know, patriarchy).

    Young men, don't give a shit about society, for it is certain that society will not give a shit about you.

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    Re: We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    Its good for them to lose their livelihood, have their character they built up over decades assassinated; it's good for them to force them to become a pariah before the facts have been weighed.
    A femicunt by the name of Catherine Commins said 'even if a man is falsely accused of rape, he can gain from the experience'. This isn't a fringe thought in femicunt circles either. Women believe they were historically oppressed and now it is time for them to be the oppressor. It is simple a power struggle, there is not other way to characterise the trends we are seeing. Once you think in instrumental terms, it all makes sense.

    Walking away isn't always the answer; the threat grows from inaction. What we need now within the community of men is a campaign of fear. We need to tell stories, real life ones of a man who had everything going for him, a fiancee, a career on the upswing, loved by his family and friends - and then accused of harassment by an office rival....causing him to get fired, drain all his savings fighting the legal case, cause his fiancee to walk out on him, and depend on welfare to get by only to spend his days in trial and with employers refusing to hire him.
    Sure, some form of action is better than inaction. But it's pretty much a zero sum game. We can educate other men, but that is about it, and it won't be enough to stop this tidal wave of #metoo. The enemy is moving too fast, while we are content to talk about this or that biological imperative or try to rationalise female behaviour. It's all just a form of masturbation really..

    The campaign needs to be repeated over and again; the names and examples changing, the method of communication changing based on the medium but the theme remaining constant. Over and over until the average man on the street is convinced that his life may be over any day- everything he built. That he lives in a society that would be happy to hang him if it meant satisfying their own sense of self-righteousness. We should get such people to go on tour giving speeches on how they barely can make rent, and have had to beg their friends for money; and have had social groups shun them while they live alone in public housing.
    Men who are falsely accused are already doing that, it hasn't done much to change the laws. You can only repeat so much and then people get tired of it. And who are you preaching to? The gov is happy, the women are happy, that is all that matters.

    The Powerful Men who seemingly are the target of Me Too are the actual perpetrators still are largely safe unless they have truly ventured into 'rape territory'. The real target of such people is the common man; the 80%'er.
    Being rich and famous might make you a bigger target, if you don't show off your wealth, people will assume that your aren't noteworthy.

    Men have many strengths but we are caught unaware by a rival we refuse to take seriously; preferring to downplay our concern and therefore seem more 'masculine' ("concerned with women, hah!"), our pigheadedness can be our undoing. Its okay to feel fear; one shouldn't be smiling or placid in the face of having everything taken away from you. We need to build and then channel that fear into a brotherhood that knows the score and acts accordingly.
    I'd certainly second that. I keep trying to repeat on this very forum that generalisations/rationalisations about women do not serve us. We can all sit here and chat shit about how stupid/emotional women are or how they 'inferior' to men, but the truth is they are getting stronger, and they have more resources and political power. And while we sit here and contemplate, men are languishing in prison because some cunt decided that she was raped after an unsatisfying sexual encounter.

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    The real enemy is white-kinghting. And mgtow are also unfortunately very prone to it.

    Hands up if you've done something chivalrous in the past week?

    If you've given up your seat to a woman on the train, even if she's disabled/pregnant/old. If you've shamed another man for not living up to your idea of masculinity (whatever that idea may be), if you've ever been angry at female manipulation, but yet not willing to hold your own mother/female siblings to account for their brainwashing? Hands up if you have scared the hell out of a young man for wanting to date your daughter?

    There are so many more examples, but you get the drift. Once you understand that the world we live is no longer the middle ages where chivalry = masculinity, and that you need to shed all your so called 'masculine' attributes and truly go your own way, then you'll make peace with yourself. It won't be easy, we have been born into a time in which men are the victims, and we have to somehow deal with it.

    You choose the path that benefits you. Just don't complain about the situation if you are taking part in the morally corrupt behaviour which women employ.

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    Re: We have NO voice on the Me Too narrative

    Women have gained more power via social media, but they are losing power where it matters the most (economy, stock market, politics). In the past, women gained momentum via politics and economic freedom from being a housewife.

    More young women than young men graduate college and are working higher paying jobs than younger men. But they are also in massive debt and many do not have any assets of value that can be flipped. In short, women are better than men in focusing their strength with peer groups and using peer group pressure for social changes. But social changes are fickle as the wind and simply does not last long.

    As for young men they have great potential to do good, build a career, make money, or master a hobby or professional passion. The problem is that they have been marginalized by current society that they are choosing to opt out or be NEETS. It doesn't mean they are hopeless as their potential energy, creativity, etc is still there but it has to be channeled into a direction.


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