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    Unhealthy Rejectionism

    Beware the cult of rejectionism- that saying "no" or "fuck it" constantly is a theory of life. It's a temptation given that it's at play in how men decide to take the fork at the road when they decide to go their own way. There can be too much "of a good thing". To begin to always see rejecting things, people, groups as "The Answer". If you dislike radio because "radio sucks" and it does in some ways- that's fine. However, remember- there is both wheat and chaff in almost everything. Generalizations can be comfortable illusions; it facilitates "outright rejection" as a thought-free, seemingly consequence-free option every time.


    This is what I'm trying to get across
    in always advocating the idea of rejection to everything. Don't take it too far. I'm not talking about women here; I'm talking about everything else.




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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    I think it's a bit like perfectionism.

    There is an allure to scrap what you have and start again. (Starting from fresh feels good). It's the enemy of progress though.

    I have started a lot of projects and they should have finished quicker if I had been able to rein in my perfectionism.
    I work in financial planning. I am interested in metal (all kinds), miniature painting and PC gaming. I live in Scotland.

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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    I concur.

    There is always gems of information out there even in areas that seem pointless or worthless. For example, on the return to kings website they did an article about a hippie community which I found interesting. Basically, because of the lack of technology men and women reverted to default masculine and feminine roles which meant both men and women pulled their weight to ensure the community thrived. Men were cooperative and friendly with one another as they depended upon each other for survival and success for the community. The women were not fighting among each other as they were tasked with taking care of all the children and ensuring the community dishes and laundry were all organized. If women wanted to venture out at night they requested men to be there with them for assistance which came off as a white knight action in my mind, but it was actually practical based on morphology. It was practical in that women were legit scared to go into the woods at night admitting they did not have the physical strength to fight off a wild animal.

    Information and awareness is something easily picked up from those sources you agree with. But the real gems are always found in areas where you find are dumpsterfires.

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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    I don't believe in rejection for rejection's sake, if you reject everything then you have nothing. But I do believe in the right to reject. In order to have a balanced life you have to be able to say both yes and no. But in order to make the right choices it takes both honesty and introspection as well as the courage to act.

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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    Yes, yes it is....big topic though with lots of nuance.

    Blanket, ill considered rejection of anyone or anything, this or that seems a little hasty as does the opposite of blanket and ill considered acceptance of anyone or anything and this or that.

    The 1st thing I dragged out of my mind was this, a famous prayer:
    God grant me the serenity
    to accept the things I cannot change;
    courage to change the things I can;
    and wisdom to know the difference.



    ....I dont know why though, what difference does it make?

    Well it perchance is the mark of a man in that we dont jump to conclusions in our adult phase but think, sort and sift the things and people of life upon which we depend yet possibly also despise but really in doing so are we despising our dependancy and the weakness of our own human condition...I think so.

    We as individuals seem to want to find a balance between emotional, sexual and material stability, and the inconvenient fact that in many ways our biological substrate is biased towards novelty which if true is potentially very destructive but also requisite for creativity and invention.

    In short...humans are crazy.

    Also, to what extent is rejection an act of personal hubris against having been rejected?

    Rejections not nice but then there's a whole world of questions therein regarding ones own ego, requirements, expectations, misunderstandings of social structures, reality and shit that really its a miracle there are so few bloodbaths....particularly in England.

    So, good topic and important but no answer from me....sorry except for maybe two English sayings:

    1. Sort the wheat from the chaff and 2. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (an event which we must assume happened at least once hence the saying).

    Edit: Upon reflection, GMOW is sort of accepting the cuntishness of how folks can be without accepting it, returning it or becoming a cunt myself but navigating a way of working with it and even profiting from it (which is itself possibly a cuntish outlook but fuck 'em...its a reaction not a proaction)
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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    I think it's a bit like perfectionism.

    There is an allure to scrap what you have and start again. (Starting from fresh feels good). It's the enemy of progress though.

    I have started a lot of projects and they should have finished quicker if I had been able to rein in my perfectionism.
    Man are you telling it like it is. My story in a nutshell up until a few years ago.
    What I've found to work is keeping a journal- not just this site, or the notes on my computers, but a composition book and
    ink pen journal. Like the old days before computers.

    Over the last few years of doing this I have found that keeping a hand written log of my musings, insights, ideas, designs and
    crazy maths makes me accountable to my own work. I used to scrap so many ideas because, too much work, not enough time, no
    investment, out of my budget, etc, etc. Now I'm more focused and tend to improve my work over time. I find ways to make projects
    cheaper and simpler. I don't know exactly why this works for me but it does. Is it perfect? It doesn't need to be perfect right now.
    Perfection comes with time, effort and determination.
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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    The latest movement: silence any and all speech that offends even one person by calling it "hate speech". It's "hate speech" because she hated what I said...

    We must defend the right to offend and be offended. I don't want others to decide what is offensive to me - I will decide that for myself and scrutinise my media content accordingly. Then again, I don't get triggered by a joke or a different opinion...
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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    In my youth, (I'm 70), I rejected many things out of hand, and accepted others. As I got older I found that a lot of the things that I thought were important, weren't; and vice versa.
    We're imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world and society. I guess most of us do the best we can, at least most of the time.
    So, maybe we should be careful of what we reject, and what we accept.
    "The future cannot be revealed, only encountered; the past cannot be changed, only accepted.
    the present requires action and attention; but to this the fool is oblivious." - Eclesiastes

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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    I think it's a bit like perfectionism.

    There is an allure to scrap what you have and start again. (Starting from fresh feels good). It's the enemy of progress though.

    I have started a lot of projects and they should have finished quicker if I had been able to rein in my perfectionism.


    Back in my engineering days we had a saying; Better is the enemy of good enough. This was meant to say if you have met the design objectives and the design works as desired, quit. Continuing to improve on a design is a recipe for never finishing.

    Another was; Don't put diamonds in a goat's ass. That means don't over design something way beyond the value of the overall project.

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    Re: Unhealthy Rejectionism

    the really crucial question is this: What is "perfect"??
    I really wouldn't know the answer because of one simple factor involved.. the term is much too wide open to interpretation...
    in fact...
    "The thing about perfection is that it's unknowable...." -- Flynn to Clu, TRON: Legacy
    true I've had my parents accuse me of "trying to be perfect" when I verbally punish myself for making mistakes that I should be genetically incapable of doing. (and I mean ones that should be beneath that of a child)... thing with me is this.....
    I'm not trying to be "perfect".... I'm trying to be not too imperfect... as in there's such a thing as overdoing it... (and I learned the HARD way that there are times where you can have too much of a good thing....)
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