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    What tradcons don't understand.



    Forgive me for preaching to the choir, but I feel the need to rant a bit.

    In the comments of this video, someone puts forward the basic tenant that responsibility and authority have to go hand in hand. Another commented that in the modern world, all male authority has been eradicated.

    On one hand, I like the optimism tradcons have. There is no doubt in my mind that the tradcon system is the best way to raise kids, and essentially the foundation of modern western culture. What is it going to take to get them to understand that all of that is now lost? If they want to make videos, they should try to convince me there is a way back (there isn't). At least then, I could say they understand the problem. Instead they advocate for a system where we "man up" and take in some hose bag after she has been plowed by the football team and has 5 kids by 8 different daddies.

    Actually advocating that we wait for women to get through their "bad boy" stage? Sorry. Can't do it.

    They simply don't have an answer because there isn't one. As the video points out, the day all men stop showing up for work, it's all over. That is why they hate MGTOW so much. We stop showing up for "work".

    My advice gentlemen, is to become Ward Cleaver, but do it for yourself. Society won't be saved, but it just might be rebuilt. It will take strong men with a firm hand and grasp on reality to do it. When TEOTWAWKI happens, you won't fare very well if you can't get out from under the pile of Cheeto dust you are buried under. The tradcon values for men are spot on. Just keep those resources for yourself. It's my version of keeping your powder dry.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    There's a way back? To what? More nagging, bitching, and complaining about imaginings? Ha! Yeah, right! What these tradcons will learn is contained in the pages of this forum. One day, they too will have stories to tell...here and elsewhere. Until then, they'll keep living the life they think they have until they suddenly find themselves homeless one day...because she was scared.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Forgive me for preaching to the choir, but I feel the need to rant a bit.
    In the comments of this video, someone puts forward the basic tenant that responsibility and authority have to go hand in hand. Another commented that in the modern world, all male authority has been eradicated.
    On one hand, I like the optimism tradcons have. There is no doubt in my mind that the tradcon system is the best way to raise kids, and essentially the foundation of modern western culture. What is it going to take to get them to understand that all of that is now lost? If they want to make videos, they should try to convince me there is a way back (there isn't). At least then, I could say they understand the problem. Instead they advocate for a system where we "man up" and take in some hose bag after she has been plowed by the football team and has 5 kids by 8 different daddies.
    Actually advocating that we wait for women to get through their "bad boy" stage? Sorry. Can't do it.
    There's an even greater problem. Once women are through the "bad boy" stage, more then often they are damaged or with bad boy bastards. It's a common redpill that the carousel destroys pairbonding ability. So you're just another pole on the carousel in her mind. And a less desirable one at that. "Manning up" for that is in fact "simping down". I do not see a point.

    They simply don't have an answer because there isn't one. As the video points out, the day all men stop showing up for work, it's all over. That is why they hate MGTOW so much. We stop showing up for "work".
    My advice gentlemen, is to become Ward Cleaver, but do it for yourself. Society won't be saved, but it just might be rebuilt. It will take strong men with a firm hand and grasp on reality to do it. When TEOTWAWKI happens, you won't fare very well if you can't get out from under the pile of Cheeto dust you are buried under. The tradcon values for men are spot on. Just keep those resources for yourself. It's my version of keeping your powder dry.
    Yep. When MGTOW grows explosively, it threatens the fabric of society, because it starves that society of a significant chunk of production. A reaction to feminism primarily. Why would we become "Ward Cleaver" and work our arses off for a society that essentially steals a significant portion of that labor through taxes, and then as a thankyou spits into our faces? That kind of society deserves the starvation of funds it can get from us. No more, no less. We walk away and provide for ourselves alone.
    We stop showing up for work, then society collapses. That's what some MGTOW openly advocate for. Let the whole thing collapse in on itself, then REBUILD instead of REPAIR. Athens, Carthage and Rome all burned to the ground, but the ideals of those societies have taken root and grown. If New York, Brussels and Sydney need to follow suit, let them burn. We will rebuild upon the ashes. That's what we do as men. If anything, work on obtaining the skills needed to do so - but don't feed the hand that slaps you.
    Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Actually advocating that we wait for women to get through their "bad boy" stage? Sorry. Can't do it.
    I agree with what you said, but its far worst than you think.
    Even if women go back to the "traditional" role, the deal doesn't get much better.



    Its not about sexual promiscuity.
    Its not about divorce and resources acquisition.

    Its the female nature, their antagonistic, aggravating, nagging, problematic... nature.

    I am going to tell another story of my grandfather, from a place frozen in time that might well be in the 18th century.

    My grandfather married and went to live in his parents house. He had no other choice since he worked for my great-grandfather. He had a duty for his parents, and nothing in his name.
    Unfortunately my grandmother and great-grandmother didn't get along, they had daily fights (using the proper respectful language and tone of the time).
    Female neighbours and friends were involved, with lots of gossip and drama. His mother started poisoning my grandfather against its wife.
    One day they had another fight, but this time in front of my grandfather. I was told that it was a rerun of previous fights. Therefore my grandfather could see the reality behind the female manipulations.
    He orded to his wife: "stop talking".
    But she replied:"dont you see I am just answering your mother accusations?"
    And he said: "yes, but you are my wife, I can order you to be quiet. I cannot order my mother."

    And these stories and more were told by my half-senile grandmother, more than 60 years after it happened. They had to endure that soap opera environment until his parents died of old age. Not before my great-grandparents interfered on the education of their kids... Now, my grandmother was not easy to deal with to. AWALT!

    If people still dont get what I am talking about, its DUTY!

    The tradcom way is the way of duty. Duty for your parents, duty for your wife, duty for your sons, duty for your country.

    But never duty to yourself, its only sacrifice.

    Yes, a man could order his wife around, but he had to take orders from his father, mother and older men. Unmarried men were at the bottom of the pyramid. In Saudi Arabia, shopping malls are forbidden to dogs and singles: that is their position that society.

    What is missing? Freedom. A man is not trusted if he has no chains to something.

    Being a GOOD MAN is a yoke to obedience and production.

    In my mind all these men sacrifice themselves for THE FUTURE. For their children and grandchildren. For the promise that they would have a better life. For a place in heaven.

    Well, we are THEIR FUTURE. What would they say if we told them "we now envy your times"?

    Having a 22 years old daughter, and after all that I sacrificed,I can say: IT WAS NOT WORTH IT!

    I know they would say: why should I sacrifice for a future that is only more pain and suffering?

    Unfortunately I didn't know.
    They didn't know either.

    The blue pill is quite accurately the pill of ignorance, willful forgetfulness.

    The red pill is KNOWLEDGE.

    It will set you free. All else is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    " Actually advocating that we wait for women to get through their "bad boy" stage? "

    LMAO!! Those people are living in a dream world!

    Most of them do not ever get through that stage. They remain stuck in it. It's deeply engrained within them. I have seen women who are in their fifties with the same modus operandi (either blatantly exposed or in a clandestine manner).

    Also, they still believe that they're young and hot because the media and society tell them so (especially the feminist propaganda machine; beta males, maginas, cuckholds who operate within these spheres).

    A lot of them pretend to change so that they can trap their "goldmine (aka beta). Give it time and their true colours will show.

    One tell tale sign is their flirtatious nature when you interact with them

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    What is missing? Freedom. A man is not trusted if he has no chains to something.
    Being a GOOD MAN is a yoke to obedience and production.
    In my mind all these men sacrifice themselves for THE FUTURE. For their children and grandchildren. For the promise that they would have a better life. For a place in heaven.
    Well, we are THEIR FUTURE. What would they say if we told them "we now envy your times"?
    Having a 22 years old daughter, and after all that I sacrificed,I can say: IT WAS NOT WORTH IT!
    I know they would say: why should I sacrifice for a future that is only more pain and suffering?
    Unfortunately I didn't know.
    They didn't know either.
    The blue pill is quite accurately the pill of ignorance, willful forgetfulness.
    The red pill is KNOWLEDGE.
    It will set you free. All else is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
    Your words reminded me of a Rage against the Machine song. More the words then the song itself. Shortened it as some of it got repeated:

    A jail cell is freedom from the pain in my home
    Hatred passed on passed on and passed on
    A world of violent rage but it's one that I can recognize
    Having never seen the color of my father's eyes
    Yes, I dwell in hell but it's a hell that I can grip
    I tried to grip my family but I slipped
    No escape from the pain in an existence mundane
    I got a nine, a sign, a set, and now I got a name!

    Read my writing on the wall!
    No one's here to catch me when I fall!
    Caught between my culture and the system!
    Genocide!
    Read my writing on the wall!
    No one's here to catch me when I fall!
    If ignorance is bliss
    Then knock the smile off my face! Yeah!

    If we don't take action now
    We settle for nothing later
    Settle for nothing now
    And we'll settle for nothing later
    I'm settling for nothing now. And will settle for nothing later.
    Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    When I read this the only thing could come to my mind was farming:

    When a farmer harvests his crops and he needs to prepare the land for the next season, in order for him to have a good crop yield the next year, he either burns the land or he tills the soil so much that the original appearance is gone. Either way, there is nothing remaining that can still hamper his growth in the next season but he revives all the nutrients, he can then plant his seeds and they will grow a good harvest.
    If he doesn't prepare like this and plants seeds where his last ones grew, he would grow less. And then, what about his yield the next year? Or the year after? 5 years? 10 years?

    What we're seeing and what tradcons are expecting us to do is keep planting on this field that has already been harvested multiple times and gone dry, the field where everyone else has raided our crops, stole our money and did what they wanted with it, and now they realize they need food. And the expectation is on us to feed everyone.
    Some MGTOWs want to burn the land, others want to dig it up. At the end of the day, somebody is going to end up starving but the tradcons don't realize that its them.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Why would I want to give grade A treatment to some former slut who's seen more dick than a porno camera man? Ignoring a past life that makes them resistant to any pair bonding, no rhank you!

    Praguer U is Cuck U anyway. They're just advocating one to bury their head in the sand. What a joke!

    I've had women who cheated on boyfriends/even husbsnd in the past. But said I was better and bigger. So of course it would NEVER happen to me.

    Wrong! Once a cheater, always a cheater. I found that trusty old saying to be as true as anything else I ever heard. With more than one woman too. To top it off, I had the added advantage of being the younger BF. By 4 years in one case, and 10 plus in another. Still didn't save my ass.

    No, I was arrogant enough to think I was so unqiue compared to her other past lovers that I'd be spared. Nope!

    Thanks for this thread. This forum has been invaded by a few tradcon's lately and they need to be shown the door or at least spoken back to.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    MGTOW can stand scrutiny Ace - no need to just banish anyone at a whim. Don't think we need "safe spaces", right?
    There is overlap between tradcon and MGTOW. But when shaming's heaped upon us, then the hammer falls. That, we need to tolerate from no one. Not here. Not ever.
    Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by AeternusDoleo View Post
    MGTOW can stand scrutiny Ace - no need to just banish anyone at a whim. Don't think we need "safe spaces", right?
    There is overlap between tradcon and MGTOW. But when shaming's heaped upon us, then the hammer falls. That, we need to tolerate from no one. Not here. Not ever.
    More whiney trad con shaming to me. Conveniently ignored my personal story too. Trying to equate me to some Safe Space Millinial. Bravo!

    If MGTOW becomes more poisoned by these trad con suck ups, I'm out. Because that is EXACTLY why I left a purple pill forum for this place.

    Sorry pal, but the 20th century is in the REARVIEW MIRROR! (And I am saying that as a 1973 guy! Spent more time in that century than this one.)

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    How exactly do you go back though? Muslims have shown it is possible, they have taken once Westernized countries like Afghanistan and Iran and gone back to the stone ages. Would your average non MGTOW* man even want women to stop dancing naked on tables and performing nude on webcams, being slutty at whim? Does the non MGTOW* man want to settle down and marry, have children be the sole breadwinner? Is it even possible now to have a one income family?

    I don't think it is possible to put the genie back in the bottle. I don't think women are going to stop going to the gym, playing rough sports, being sluts and working corporate jobs so they can sit at home making jams.

    * I say non MGTOW man in my comments because MGTOW men don't want relations with women on any terms.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by AeternusDoleo View Post
    There is overlap between tradcon and MGTOW.
    No, there isn't.

    MGTOW is first and foremost the truth about the female nature. Anything else is each man going his way.

    Tradcom is saying that today's society is ruining women. If we fix a few things, then its back to the plantation.
    Thus tradcom ignore the female nature and pretends it can be restrained.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlock
    * I say non MGTOW man in my comments because MGTOW men don't want relations with women on any terms.
    Wow, this is news to me. I guess you're going to redefine the term mgtow that mean incel or something. There is a contingent who call themselves ghosts who do that. Except for that they are VolCels.

    Well, you can count me out. If that's the entire definition nowadays. Maybe I need to delete my membership to this forum.

    I don't like strangers coming into my old forum and redefining what it is. Fuck THAT bullshit!
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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    the taffer in this video may have some valid points......
    but I think that with the rise of feminism and the demonization of men and boys....
    well, looks like Mr Cleaver can now be summed up in just one word... obsolete.. in a nutshell, this just isn't our grandfathers' world anymore... there is essentially no real way to construct a "positive male identity" thru the usual means of work and fatherhood.... we just don't matter as much anymore, if we matter at all....
    I think you all get the general idea, quiaff?
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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    the taffer in this video may have some vaild points......
    but I think that with the rise of feminism and the demonization of men and boys....
    well, looks like Mr Cleaver can now be summed up in just one word... obsolete.. in a nutshell, this just isn't our grandfathers' world anymore...
    Plus one, Eiji!

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    If MGTOW becomes more poisoned by these trad con suck ups, I'm out. Because that is EXACTLY why I left a purple pill forum for this place.

    Sorry pal, but the 20th century is in the REARVIEW MIRROR!
    Agreed. It doesn't matter if you're here on a forum, in a real life group or wherever. You will be MGTOW whether nobody knows who you are or anybody listens to you because it's ALL up to YOU.

    If the tradcon fucks take over, dilute MGTOW and change the idea into what they want, it doesn't change ME or MY ideals. And it doesn't change the millions of men who think the same and never even heard of the name. They'll stumble across the new MGTOW tradcon shit in disguise, call it bogus and move on with their lives. They'll see the shit just like we did because we found the name MGTOW AFTER the life-altering, eye-opening experience, not before it.
    And MGTOW guys are clever, they'll probably create a new name and let the tradcons have the MGTOW label.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Tradcons can get over to Paul Elam's lot and get straight to changing the laws if they want to be useful. Otherwise eff-off back to Laura Perrins and carry on sucking her tradcon titty juice.

    Ultimately, whilst I don't need a safe space, tradcons frivolous bullshit will carry on tickling my humour.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    No, there isn't.

    MGTOW is first and foremost the truth about the female nature. Anything else is each man going his way.

    Tradcom is saying that today's society is ruining women. If we fix a few things, then its back to the plantation.
    Thus tradcom ignore the female nature and pretends it can be restrained.
    Female nature is for the rookie stage . The basics .

    And then comes the fun part of male nature .

    I went to a trade school a year ago ...dude ... i dont count oldies but the young guys do exactly what girls used to do when i was in high school . Only on roids .

    The gossip , the boasting , the showing off , the straight up lies ... It was like everybody is high on the same drug and cant help themselves .

    You have to watch your allies closer than your foes .

    It reminds me of a youtube comment i red recently - we had a dispute at work about wages and i ask one dude how much you make, and i am his direct boss and i know how much he makes but he still looked straight in my eyes and still said 20% more than he actually makes . I dont know its like it is on a genetic level this bullshit .

    LOL it is literally very telling about the nature of honorable men of today


    Another YT comment i loved , it was posted by a chick when somebody said that men at least have honor she said - there are no honorable men anymore ...

    And she was right .
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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    If the tradcon fucks take over, dilute MGTOW and change the idea into what they want, it doesn't change ME or MY ideals. And it doesn't change the millions of men who think the same and never even heard of the name. They'll stumble across the new MGTOW tradcon shit in disguise, call it bogus and move on with their lives. They'll see the shit just like we did because we found the name MGTOW AFTER the life-altering, eye-opening experience, not before it.
    And MGTOW guys are clever, they'll probably create a new name and let the tradcons have the MGTOW label.
    I don't see a way for that to happen. As MGTOW we are fiercely indivdualistic and selfvalidating. Or we're not even going our own way. Reason I don't mind having some tradcons in the mix is that it's easy to call out the flaws in their reasoning from the selfvalidating aspect. Any of them claiming that that aspect is no longer important are just deluding themselves. It's at the core of what the lifestyle is.
    And ultimately, tradcons have to realize - we walked away once, from the broken pairing game. Some of us twice - from religion and society. What's a third time?

    'sides. Echo chambers are bad. Dissenting opinions keep you sharp, keep you checking yourself.
    Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

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    Re: What tradcons don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by AeternusDoleo View Post
    I don't see a way for that to happen. As MGTOW we are fiercely indivdualistic and selfvalidating. Or we're not even going our own way. Reason I don't mind having some tradcons in the mix is that it's easy to call out the flaws in their reasoning from the selfvalidating aspect. Any of them claiming that that aspect is no longer important are just deluding themselves. It's at the core of what the lifestyle is.
    And ultimately, tradcons have to realize - we walked away once, from the broken pairing game. Some of us twice - from religion and society. What's a third time?

    'sides. Echo chambers are bad. Dissenting opinions keep you sharp, keep you checking yourself.
    Yup .

    Even if someone agrees with you doesnt mean that he or she agrees with you .

    There are quite a few women that agree with MGTOW lol . Do they ?
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