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    Tradcons are part of the problem

    I know that left wingers have done horrible shit making women more entitled through feminism.
    I think that feminism is politicized female nature, illogical appeals to emotion.
    But tradcons and religious right, are useful idiots in terms of the gynocracy, they push marriage and family values way more than the left does, they want to ban porn and prostitution, they are against contraceptives (condoms and other birth control methods).

    My older brother got stuck with a gold digger he has two daughters, he problem is that he was a muslim fundamentalist now agnostic, when he was religious he was strictly against sex before marriage, dating, even shaking hands with females is wrong in Islam. He got married, he has gets a decent income, but he is overworked lost his emotions jaded, I think he is angry that he was religious and then snapped out of it, maybe if he weren't religious he would at least had some experience with women, I think he would have had it easier than me with picking up women because he is a Chad. Before he got married he used to be a Ferrari, but now he is that horse in central park with the blind folders on.
    My middle older brother, became more religious and has been married for a year, his wife is more religious than him, she seems nice but after taking the red pill, she made buying her a ring a hassle when they were engaged, around 3 weeks ago it was eid al fitr (an islamic holdiay) he struggled to buy a ticket and she made him pay 1 grand for it all the way from KSA to Lebanon he stayed for around 4 days, and she is pregnant and will give birth probably next week. I discussed this with my mom, I asked her, why did he have to waste 1 grand and all his energy to come see her and stay only for 4 days it is not worth the hassle, she replied they are a loving couple they love each other dearly and women have a sharp memory and remember all the things he did not please her wrong and uses him against him when arguing, I replied if love is unconditional then they aren't a loving couple. When he was younger he wasn't religious, he used to bang stacies, he had 3 other 1st gf was miss jealous back in his college year she did not allow him to talk to other females even if it were professional, 2nd gf was a stacy but was thinking of marriage and had a MS in Engineering but wanted to be a housewife instead of getting a job he dumped her for this reason, 3rd gf was pretty much like the 1st has no manners and guilt tripped him with her crocodile tears.

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Yes. Conservative right is just another bullshit for men. At least nowadays. In the past it was useful but today it is useless. And this is the problem. We are between two anti-men ideologies, but most men chose one of them because we dont have a third option (yet). This is why I think that creating a new ideology that could be useful to fight against both right and left is a important start. But such ideology was not found yet. Not completely. We should do more to find it.

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    MGTOW is the 3rd option, and the best IMHO!

    women have a sharp memory and remember all the things he did not please her wrong and uses him against him when arguing,
    Did Mom just hit you with a red-pill??
    I refuse to be a part of the Three Ring Circus: Engagement ring. Wedding ring. Suffer ring.

    You can't be king of the world if you're slave to the vag.

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    Yes. Mgtow is the best option. But it is more an anti-ideology (because it is an escape from the mainstream social ideologies). For example, thinking about a mgtow society with mgtow laws is not possible yet. Perharps, it is not possible at all. Of course, we dont need to care about society, but the problem is that many times we are forced to accept the "mainstream laws" (that tend to be anti-men laws). A third option in this case is not necessarily mgtow, but a entire new social ideology that could be pro-mgtow. But this is just a theory. We dont need necessarily a new social ideology to be mgtows, of course. It could only be a "larger support".

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    You're a MGTOW now.

    You don't have to suffer the fate of the men you witness who refuse (or cannot) take the red pill.

    Watching your brothers get consumed will be difficult.

    But, you don't want that fate for yourself - that's why you're here.

    I hope the best for your brothers... all of our brothers really, but the reality is that blue pills ultimately consume and KILL MEN for the benefit of women and the feminist/socialist governments they support.

    If you can't get someone you love to take the Red Pill, remember: at the end of the day, only you can control what pills you put in your mouth. My own brother is dating again. He was Red Pill but his thirst for snatch is too powerful. I told him:

    "If you move a bitch in and she takes your house (again), you can't live with me (again). But I will give you cab fare to the nearest shelter or YMCA and enough for a combo at McDonald's."

    That's my flesh and blood BROTHER. If he chooses to be Blue Pill after everything we have talked about, everything he KNOWS to be TRUE about WOMEN, then he (sadly) deserves his fate.

    I love my brother. But if he wants to destroy his life with his dick, I can't stop him or save him.

    Every MGTOW for himself.
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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Yes. Mgtow is the best option. But it is more an anti-ideology (because it is an escape from the mainstream social ideologies). For example, thinking about a mgtow society with mgtow laws is not possible yet. Perharps, it is not possible at all. Of course, we dont need to care about society, but the problem is that many times we are forced to accept the "mainstream laws" (that tend to be anti-men laws). A third option in this case is not necessarily mgtow, but a entire new social ideology that could be pro-mgtow. But this is just a theory. We dont need necessarily a new social ideology to be mgtows, of course. It could only be a "larger support".
    A MGTOW society is completely feasible, workable and happening right before your eyes.

    Jagrmeister is architecting one with this site. We're all participating.

    I've been surveying land prices, cheaper methods of real estate development via Earthship Biotecture,
    Land Patents, and working the power problem for years to find an idea this available to men everywhere.

    Don't lose hope now, the finish line is right around the corner.

    It's happening because we're making it a priority.

    The time is now. Believe in yourself this once and watch your rewards multiply.

    LP

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    It is always an internal struggle when you go mgtow to want to do more, but also realizing that stepping away is self preservation. But we as men instinctively want to help other men so it is hard to just "step away", ghost or go galt.

    Mgtow makes sense right now, but I agree at some point in the future it will not be such an easy choice. This is why bar bar has discussed that mgtow isn't a left or right issue but more of a pro men vs anti men issue in terms of politics.

    Right now the right and left in the political western world is gynocentric and anti men. In eastern countries politics may be gynocentric but they are not anti men at the moment. Women out number men in terms of votes in many western countries and the spend most of the money.

    Consumerism where men become power players is one way to tip the scales. But consumerism of real, tangible goods, investments into robotics, investments to startups, etc is where men can leverage power.

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by LastPriory View Post
    A MGTOW society is completely feasible, workable and happening right before your eyes.
    No, it's not... Too much hate towards women in this here community.. We have to breed to maintain a society!

    No matter the bitter taste any of us have from our experiences with women they are still a requirement for any society unless that society is only to last one generation!

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Surrogacy?
    Marriage is like Russian Roulette. Except your wife put in two more bullets and the death the bullets deliver won't be quick or painless.

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Twas ever thus. Dworkin/Mackinnon/Dobson/Meese was precisely the same. Again - Atwood warned against all that in The Handmaid's Tale..

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by LastPriory View Post
    A MGTOW society is completely feasible, workable and happening right before your eyes.

    Jagrmeister is architecting one with this site. We're all participating.

    I've been surveying land prices, cheaper methods of real estate development via Earthship Biotecture,
    Land Patents, and working the power problem for years to find an idea this available to men everywhere.

    Don't lose hope now, the finish line is right around the corner.

    It's happening because we're making it a priority.

    The time is now. Believe in yourself this once and watch your rewards multiply.

    LP
    The only point I can quibble over is, "It's happening because we're making it a priority". It is happening because the current tradcon/feminist society is unsustainable. Men are not turning away from that society because of anything we are doing, and not because of men's free choice, but because they have to. Survival is the only instinct strong enough to override the biological imperative to reproduce. Our matriarchal gynocentric society has ridden that urge to reproduce for every drop of blood they can extract from men, and well beyond. They have burned it out of many men. Now we will see what will take its place. We should not have the hubris to claim we are creating anything. The coming society (new social contract) is a natural outcome of, and response to, the process of destruction our culture and society has chosen to pursue. We may be ahead of the curve, and see what is coming better than the rest of society, but we are not making it happen.

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Lebanese_MGTOW View Post
    But tradcons and religious right, are useful idiots in terms of the gynocracy, they push marriage and family values way more than the left does, they want to ban porn and prostitution, they are against contraceptives (condoms and other birth control methods).
    If Christian tradcons really cared about marriage, they would do far better to resume preaching against divorce than pestering men to marry. Jesus himself teaches that women may marry only once. In extreme circumstances, divorce is permissible, but remarriage is not, and anyone marrying a divorced woman is living in adultery. Oh for a preacher with the balls to preach truthfully and forcefully from that passage!

    As for Muslims - Islamic tradition has some specific rules about disciplining your wife. Maybe the Islamic tradcons should remind the young married men about those.

    Aside from a properly applied spanking, the golden path - for men - to marital felicity is denying your wife sex. You see, men are ready for sex all the time. A woman's desire changes over the course of a month: when she does want sex, she wants it very much. As simple "no dick for you" can work wonders if properly done. This is one reason why Islam and other religions very much forbid sex outside marriage.

    Of course, it's only a matter of time before here in the west they make it illegal domestic abuse to not have sex with your wife when she feels like it. But: you and your brothers are in Lebanon.

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    As for Muslims - Islamic tradition has some specific rules about disciplining your wife. Maybe the Islamic tradcons should remind the young married men about those.
    It's not exactly like that. Yes, you can discipline her if she is greedy, unwilling to have sex with you or generally behaves in a destructive manner, but if you have no good reason for refusing sex with your wife, she can get divorce according to islamic principles. Refusing sex is one of the strongest and most 'acceptable' of all reasons for a women to divorce a man in islamic societies.

    The prophet of islam said something along the lines of 'heaven is at the feet of a mother' or some other bullshit like that, how can someone consider that to be wise? That's just fucking stupid...

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    Re: Tradcons are part of the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by LastPriory View Post
    A MGTOW society is completely feasible, workable and happening right before your eyes.

    Jagrmeister is architecting one with this site. We're all participating.

    I've been surveying land prices, cheaper methods of real estate development via Earthship Biotecture,
    Land Patents, and working the power problem for years to find an idea this available to men everywhere.

    Don't lose hope now, the finish line is right around the corner.

    It's happening because we're making it a priority.

    The time is now. Believe in yourself this once and watch your rewards multiply.

    LP
    Quote Originally Posted by deadb0y View Post
    No, it's not... Too much hate towards women in this here community.. We have to breed to maintain a society!

    No matter the bitter taste any of us have from our experiences with women they are still a requirement for any society unless that society is only to last one generation!

    No problem. Actually I believe in solutions. Artificial females and artificial wombs are a way to eliminate women from society, for example. But of course, technology can be useful to many other things.

    And if society and even mankind goes extinct... Why should we give a fuck?

    These are the two definitive solutions to our parasitic society: technology or total extinction. I can't find any other end.
    Latin American... 28 y.o... living in Rio... spreading MGTOW... going my own way.


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