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    The times they are a changing – not really.

    For all you lurkers (non-members) out there, you can read some real horror stories on this site and I feel deeply for each and every one of my fellow members here.

    But you should also be aware that there are some much more subtle stories that you might recognise or learn from.

    I’ve just finished reading Octavian’s sticky thread: “Things To Expect as New Men Going Your Own Way” here:

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...pect-own-4519/

    And it just brought back so many memories of interacting with (and being part of) the plantation that I thought I’d share three of them.

    As a newbie I didn’t want to add to a sticky thread (I’m still feeling my way) so I thought I’d start a new one. Or maybe I should have put this as an addendum to my intro. Maybe you guys or one of the mods might advise for future reference if I got it wrong.

    Anyhow.

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    Throughout my mid-teens and early twenties I had a “best mate”. We would go everywhere together – drinking, clubbing, double dating etc. We were virtually inseparable, where one was the other wasn’t far away.

    So he eventually hooks up with the girl he was to marry. Looking back she was fairly attractive I suppose, but I just didn’t see it. I thought she was a total nut-case. But she made my best mate happy so I didn’t interfere.

    They shacked up together & things went well for a while. O.K. I’d lost my dating buddy but we were still good friends. I would call to their place one or two evenings a week and the three of us would have a drink together, listen to some tunes and generally shoot the breeze, all was good with the world.

    Soon enough though I began to see some changes in both of them. They would be quarrelling all the time and, to my mind she seemed to be deliberately provoking him. I soon found out that my mate was getting drunk and beating her. I couldn’t believe it, my friend had never given me any idea he was that sort of guy.

    I talked to each of them individually about it and to my shock and surprise they both had the same response when I asked why they were putting up with it – the make-up sex was great. WTF?

    Anyway I finally walked away from the two of them when one evening while I was visiting they were in the kitchen getting into it. I was on my feet in the sitting room not wanting to interfere in what were obviously personal matters but was ready to do just that if things got out of hand.

    Suddenly my friend storms into the sitting room and starts swinging punches… at me? He was screaming something about wanting me out of there and having no more to do with me.

    Now I’m a big lad, scrawny but 6 ft.3 in. and I can take a slap without overreacting. I grabbed my friend by the collar, lifted him off the ground, pinned him against the wall and staring straight into his eyes said something along the lines of:

    “You get that one for free because of our friendship. I don’t want to hurt you but if you throw one more punch I’ll beat you to a pulp.” I knew there was something more going on that meets the eye.

    He quickly calmed down, becoming almost sheepish. Bullies often back down when confronted, but I’d never seen this side of him until recently, though looking back he did seem to get us into an awful lot of scrapes.

    I guess my pacifist nature was put to the test.

    Well, after things calmed down a bit I finally found out what had happened. His fiancée (at the time) in order to provoke a fight told him, that I told her, that I wanted her for myself – nothing could have been further from the truth. I eventually got her to admit in front of both of us that she had been straight up lying.

    Well, after that and after making sure that things were calm again, I walked out the door and took no more to do with either of them.

    But the thing that confuses me to this day some 25 years later is that they actually went through with the wedding! I guess some people love misery.


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    Somethin' wrong wit cha , boy. Are you gay ?
    I’ve heard this a few times from blokes, but one instance of a female saying it comes to mind.

    I was at this out of town wedding reception of a former work colleague. I was sitting at a table chatting to another former colleague when two very attractive young women walked up and asked us up to dance. This was new on me but we’d had a few and went along with it.

    Now when I say young, they couldn’t have been more than about 19, I was about 30 and my colleague was 5 years older than me.

    Anyway we were dancing away and the young “lady” I was dancing with was coming on strong. I had no idea of her true age but I started thinking “jail bait”.

    When she realised she wasn’t getting the responses she expected, she asked me if I “was gay or a priest or something”.

    This was obviously intended to solicit a response of “hell no, do you want me to prove it?” but I was already aware of just how manipulative women can be and simply thanked her for the dance at the end of the track and walked away.

    Maybe I made a mistake, but alarm bells were ringing everywhere in my head and I just didn’t want any part of it.

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    About ten years ago I was sitting in my local one evening after work. There were only about five of us regulars propping up the bar as it was still early (about 6 p.m.) and conversation was light. The other four guys were married and by this stage I was already ghosting (although I had no idea this was even a thing) and was pretty much asocial.

    One of the guys suddenly says to me: “You’re a good guy, have a sense of humour, have a job, you could make some girl very happy.” The others at the bar indicated their agreement.

    I was taken aback for a second, because this was totally out of the blue. We weren’t even talking about women or relationships.

    All I could come back with was something like: “How can I make a woman happy if I’m not happy.” meaning I could not see myself being happy in a relationship. God knows how they took it and to be honest I don’t really care. Of course I should have said I had no interest in making a woman happy, but these were people who probably could not understand this sort of reasoning and I didn’t want to get into a debate with people who were still on the farm – it’s kinda like beating your head off a brick wall. I’d just finished a day’s work among a plethora of women and all I wanted to do was chill with the lads.

    The thing that got me though, and probably why this short conversation has stuck with me for so long, is that each of these people were fairly successful in their careers, “happily” married with kids, mortgages, and everything else that goes with it. If they were so happy with their lot, why were they in the pub every – single – night?

    I remember thinking to myself that here are people that are miserable with their lives no matter what front they put up, and are probably jealous that I don’t have to put up with all the shit they have to. Even the men out there hate to see one escaping. And this was long before I even had an inkling that there were others out there who were seeing the same things I was.

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    Re: The times they are a changing – not really.

    Sometimes I wonder how well marriage has worked out for all the guys I used to hang out with, or used to work with, two or three decades ago, or the relationships they were in at the time I lost contact with them. I really don't think marriage works out for anyone; it's just a matter of how much fakery is present to serve as whitewash, as alluded to (implied) in Jackoff's story of the bar flies.

    For the 19-year-old in #2, you should've said you already did it with her mom twice today and she wore you out.

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    Re: The times they are a changing – not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I remember thinking to myself that here are people that are miserable with their lives no matter what front they put up, and are probably jealous that I don’t have to put up with all the shit they have to. Even the men out there hate to see one escaping. And this was long before I even had an inkling that there were others out there who were seeing the same things I was.
    I don't think those guys were jealous of you. They probably pitied you. It doesn't mean that their lives are any less miserable, but they wouldn't trade their marriage to be single again. That is the power of the blue pill.

    I have a similar conversation of my own that I remember from a few months ago. I visited a 30-something year old hooker and at the end she asked why I didn't have a girlfriend then proceeded to tell me about a particular coffee shop that was a good place to find single women. She even gave me unsolicited advice on how to approach them, going so far as to tell me how to introduce myself to them. Some people here might interpret this as a sign that women are getting nervous about men leaving the plantation. I wish that were true, but I think it is just pity.

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    Re: The times they are a changing – not really.

    I thought she was a total nut-case.
    You are probably 100% correct about that.

    But she made my best mate happy so I didn’t interfere.
    You are probably half right here. She made his DICK happy.

    A happy dick can be a man's worth enemy. The feel good chemicals coursing through a man's veins when he's getting regular good sex are the same chemicals that make him think she's a NAWALT and hide from him her true nature. Even if she's grabbing things off the shelves and smashing them to the ground or looking for regular confrontations.

    The man slowly becomes accustomed to these brain chemicals (the new normal) and no longer feels their affect, and then he slowly loses interest in having sex with the crazy witch.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: The times they are a changing – not really.

    That was heartbreaking, especially since we all know that the sex ceased the second the ink was on the paper. Oh, and she was cheating on him, too, even before the marriage. With multiple guys. Your bro knew it, which is why he went so nuts - he knew that she was cheating with someone, so when she pointed the finger it all came together.

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    Re: The times they are a changing – not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnFucked View Post
    I don't think those guys were jealous of you. They probably pitied you. It doesn't mean that their lives are any less miserable, but they wouldn't trade their marriage to be single again. That is the power of the blue pill.

    I have a similar conversation of my own that I remember from a few months ago. I visited a 30-something year old hooker and at the end she asked why I didn't have a girlfriend then proceeded to tell me about a particular coffee shop that was a good place to find single women. She even gave me unsolicited advice on how to approach them, going so far as to tell me how to introduce myself to them. Some people here might interpret this as a sign that women are getting nervous about men leaving the plantation. I wish that were true, but I think it is just pity.
    You know, you're probably right, people living a particular lifestyle often can't even imagine why anyone would choose any other way of life and put their own problems down to unavoidable circumstances (which is often an incorrect assessment) or just pure bad luck.

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    Re: The times they are a changing – not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    That was heartbreaking, especially since we all know that the sex ceased the second the ink was on the paper. Oh, and she was cheating on him, too, even before the marriage. With multiple guys. Your bro knew it, which is why he went so nuts - he knew that she was cheating with someone, so when she pointed the finger it all came together.
    With the clarity of hindsight, this makes perfect sense.


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