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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    I still say it was a failure. . Just caused problems instead of solving them...
    (where's all the "free love"???)
    Women will give out "free" sex to men who can provide them with "vagina tingles" when they are young and seeking social validation (think of "groupies") or, when they are looking to entice a potential Provider of Resources, they will hand out free "samples."

    Provisioning, Physicality, Social Status, or Entertainment. Women will exchange sex for any of those things. No ring or marriage necessary.

    Commitment-free sex was NOT available to most men before 1970. It still isn't, but for about 10% of us, it is a possibility.
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by VTOLfreak View Post
    I read in my local newspaper today how house prices have tripled in the last 30 years while wages stayed the same if you included inflation. No girl is going to be impressed with my one bedroom apartment. For a majority of guys on a normal wage that is quickly becoming the norm though. You are one of the lucky ones if you actually own the shoebox you live in.
    The Spartan's made sure their money was large and heavy and not made out of gold or silver....like modern day plates used for weight lifting in a gym. This made sure no fortune teller, actor, beggar, or flim flam artist would bother making passage through their territory.

    The MGTOW is making very different choices in the real estate market. If you limit yourself to the one bedroom house or apartment that you can actually afford, you have more independence, financially and job wise. You will not max out your credit card to fill it with baubles. Your choice of abode tells a woman that she can't move in, talk you into buying "Barbie's Malibu Dream House," fill it with gimmicks and gadgets and furniture you don't need so she can use it to impress people you don't like with money you don't have.... only to have Barbie get it when Family Court takes away all of Ken's stuff.

    She wants a LTR? Well don't expect to move into here. Oh, and by the way, I already have a mortgage....on this place, so the bank wont give me another to buy the house that you want, but I can't afford. Tell, "Keep living in your own apartment, sweetheart."
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    No girl is going to be impressed with my one bedroom apartment. For a majority of guys on a normal wage that is quickly becoming the norm though. You are one of the lucky ones if you actually own the shoebox you live in.
    Stick with the one bedroom apartment that is yours.

    Assets have a few things in common. You can sell them on easily and you don't have to immediately replace them with something at least as expensive. They also produce income for you.

    A home is the opposite. You can't trade it (unless you downsize) and it costs you income.

    By all means, a home is best owned if only so that you don't have to pay rent once you stop working, but it's best not to think of the home you live in as an asset. It just isn't.
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Own property but live in an apartment, its called investments. She will always see the 1 or 2 bedroom flat (condo perhaps in a trust???) and not think you have anything of value to try and take from you. Always keep your assets separate is the best policy no matter what your living arrangement is.

    my grandfather told me at a very young age "boy, there is only one thing a woman wants from a man...... it's 6 inches long and has a head on it..... and its a dollar bill"

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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Chasing women is just too much frigging WORK. I'm a minimalist. Most men are. To the guys who have successful hook ups, FWBs, or P4P... all the power to you.
    I scratch the itch a couple times a month and it keeps my head clear.

    Knowing women's true nature was a very life changing thing for me. I'm just not attracted to women anymore. I'd put effort into my "romantic self" but knowing how women think now, it's foolish of me to play the romance game. Women were never really as romantic as men (despite their flowery prose) and now they're about as romantic as a dis-tempered rattlesnake. Fickle, hissy and waiting to strike, it seems. To me, trying to be physical and romantic and sexual with a woman is like trying to go into the wild and hugging a badger. I can do it, but... it's dangerous, and I just don't want to. Women now seem to view men as some combination of threat, competition and/or resource. I can't think of a reason to approach a creature that thinks this way about me, in a romantic (or god-forbid) vulnerable way.

    The Red Pill and MGTOW life has really had a profound affect on me, to the extent it has over-ridden my base biological imperatives. And that's some powerful shit, gentlemen.


    To quote Sam Luis Obispo above: "Provisioning, Physicality, Social Status, or Entertainment. Women will exchange sex for any of those things."

    If you want to "play" with women, go for it. Just remember what Sam here has said. If you think it's any more than that, you're being charmed by the snake.
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by toolate View Post
    The damn website at Playboy was all about shaming men out of their so called negative behaviors. The only reason the blob and her ilk have a word there is that said modern male behaviors are hurting their advertizing bottom line. The old carrot and stick just doesn't work with this generation of Playboy readers. Fancy sports car, trendy vodka, that special cologne that drives women crazy? Those days are long gone. Playboy needs men back on the plantation too. Her brilliant essay if mighty proof.
    Yes. For Playboy, the societal "sweet spot" only lasted a decade and a half. It began when Hugh Hefner did not have to worry about getting prosecuted or having his periodical mailing privileges discount revoked on the basis of obscenity. It crested when Hefner could make billions licensing the Playboy icon for everything from socks to air fresheners to casinos. It began to bleed out when everyone had a VCR, and the internet attended its funeral.

    Hefner wanted a society that was just dysfunctional enough to accept his centerfold, but prudish enough to stop his rivals. By the early 1970s, he had many imitators, (like Penthouse: "classy, but with beaver shots") but Hustler was able to tap into a working class, post-1974 recession, working class demographic that already realized that, as working class men, they were doomed to get less of everything than the "greatest generation."

    Playboy was methadone in a world where heroin was not readily available.

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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    Chasing women is just too much frigging WORK. I'm a minimalist. Most men are.
    have a look at this.. around 55s
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Women are not getting strong...men are becoming smarter and walking away.

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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    getting back to the OP...
    how about asking this in return if anyone tells you to "find a real woman"....
    "How am I supposed to find a woman if women keep giving me the idea that I'm not welcome or wanted???"
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    just remembered something... that "B.C." comic strip.... I think it was one Sunday edition.. the character "Fat Broad" walked past one of the male charas (who was just minding his own business)... then she turns around and asks the man "did you just ogle me?".. man says he didn't, and the woman clobbers him over the head... (and not for lying.. seems that for her, being ogled would give some kind of validation...)
    your take on that, Programs??
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    The Red Pill and MGTOW life has really had a profound affect on me, to the extent it has over-ridden my base biological imperatives. And that's some powerful shit, gentlemen.

    I think the same thing has happened to me. Recently I met a girl that ticks all of the boxes. Attractive, polite, can hold her own in conversation, ambitious, good upbringing, feminine, intelligent. The list just goes on. She has expressed interest in me and what I am about and has made it clear she is single.

    However, when I weighed up all of the pro's and cons, I came to the conclusion that nothing beats pure freedom. Waking up on a weekend knowing that all of your time is yours, no interruptions, no questions, no obligations. No drama! Nothing can compete with that.

    I just couldn't find anything that would make it worthwhile diminishing that even a little.
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    just remembered something... that "B.C." comic strip.... I think it was one Sunday edition.. the character "Fat Broad" walked past one of the male charas (who was just minding his own business)... then she turns around and asks the man "did you just ogle me?".. man says he didn't, and the woman clobbers him over the head... (and not for lying.. seems that for her, being ogled would give some kind of validation...)
    your take on that, Programs??
    A lose/lose situation for any male. The comic writer is trying to portray the hypocrisy of it all.

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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

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    I think the same thing has happened to me. Recently I met a girl that ticks all of the boxes. Attractive, polite, can hold her own in conversation, ambitious, good upbringing, feminine, intelligent. The list just goes on. She has expressed interest in me and what I am about and has made it clear she is single.

    However, when I weighed up all of the pro's and cons, I came to the conclusion that nothing beats pure freedom. Waking up on a weekend knowing that all of your time is yours, no interruptions, no questions, no obligations. No drama! Nothing can compete with that.

    I just couldn't find anything that would make it worthwhile diminishing that even a little.
    How would you feel about her if you were available to her only 10% of the time? And you could insist that the 10% of the time you spent with her had to be the best 10% of her?

    No marriage, no engagement, no living together, no provisioning....basically, she is giving you the girlfriend experience (emotionally speaking), and you refuse to upgrade to fiancÚ, husband, or ex-husband.

    You want to rent the car, when you need to get somewhere, but you do not want to make monthly payments, take it to the shop for oil changes, or take the large depreciation, or be forced to ride it when it starts to leak, sag, belch dirty exhaust, etc.

    You are strictly the alpha bridge to her eventual beta promised land.

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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    How would you feel about her if you were available to her only 10% of the time? And you could insist that the 10% of the time you spent with her had to be the best 10% of her?

    No marriage, no engagement, no living together, no provisioning....basically, she is giving you the girlfriend experience (emotionally speaking), and you refuse to upgrade to fiancÚ, husband, or ex-husband.

    You want to rent the car, when you need to get somewhere, but you do not want to make monthly payments, take it to the shop for oil changes, or take the large depreciation, or be forced to ride it when it starts to leak, sag, belch dirty exhaust, etc.

    You are strictly the alpha bridge to her eventual beta promised land.

    I see where you're going with this but that sounds more like an ideal than anything else. I already know women that are settling with 100% crap than 10% of the best. Ive also noticed that a lot of women I work with forget all about their bfs for the entire duration of it. I pointed this out to another and her response was ''well she sees you everyday''. Apparently that excused her hypergamy.
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Neo, I don't think you understand. You want to avoid the dating-to-marriage-to-divorce paradigm, by only letting her in your life for the very best part of the relationship. By closing the aperture to only the part of the relationship where she is on her best behavior, to the weeks or months or even year where she is "interviewing" for the position of girlfriend/fiancÚ/wife/ex-wife, you avoid the worst parts. Suck the juice, even if it is slowly or periodically, do not get stuck with the rind.

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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Neo, I don't think you understand. You want to avoid the dating-to-marriage-to-divorce paradigm, by only letting her in your life for the very best part of the relationship. By closing the aperture to only the part of the relationship where she is on her best behavior, to the weeks or months or even year where she is "interviewing" for the position of girlfriend/fiancÚ/wife/ex-wife, you avoid the worst parts. Suck the juice, even if it is slowly or periodically, do not get stuck with the rind.

    I see what you meant now.
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    I see what you meant now.

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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    You want to avoid the dating-to-marriage-to-divorce paradigm, by only letting her in your life for the very best part of the relationship.
    as I have stated before.... the "marriage" life script as we know it has effectively "outlived its usefulness".. but what I dont get.. why would anyone take issue with a man who wont marry because they realize that the whole thing is a "no-win" setup? one gets less than zero return on investment in a marriage if the wife wont honor her wedding vows...
    (and since they mean nothing to women... why should marriage matter to men at all???)

    now I'm not saying we need to rid ourselves of divorce completely.... we still will need it in cases of adultery, drugs or extreme cruelty.. but this "no-fault" kind has to go if women want us around more... (not to mention that divorce like that... well.. I'll say this.. I may have no dates to my credit, but from what I have learned, a marriage is always going to be a "work in progress" until that "til death do you part" comes to pass.... so I would say that filing for divorce on those kind of grounds is indication of unwillingness to "work" on the marriage....)

    furthermore.... I just get so inflamed when a man who is willing to "work" on his marriage is regarded "suspect"...
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    A lose/lose situation for any male. The comic writer is trying to portray the hypocrisy of it all.
    there was another instance of this in today's paper.... same strip... "Fat Broad" walks up to a snowman with just a carrot in it's head... then knocks it off...
    last panel has her walking away saying "I didn't like how he was looking at me"... just as BC says "and he didn't have his eyes yet..."
    how taffed is THAT???

    EDIT: here's the strip itself....
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    Re: Time to switch of that porn and find a real woman guys... Man-UP! or I will shame you some more!

    Well, if some feminists truly believe in evolution, & survival of the fittest, maybe soon chicks will start growing dicks to propagate their horny, slutty behavior.

    Then they truly can go & F**K themselves.


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