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    A tampon and a hard hat

    Lately, I have noticed presence of a token female construction worker at almost any construction zone I happen to drive by. The thot-ful female construction worker dons reflective vest, hard hat, and almost always tight jeans.
    She is often seen using the STOP/SLOW sign or idling about while men around her break sweat in summer heat.

    The encroachment of male space is one thing, but how can anyone justify the female getting paid anything beyond minimum wage? More importantly how does it affect the male motivation to know that some nail polished recent graduate is making anywhere close to what they make?

    Of all women I have ever seen doing construction, only 1 had clothes dirty enough to even hint that she does some real work. Rest of these independent females stand about like she's some caricature of feminist 'strong woman' narrative.
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    Re: A tampon and a hard hat

    Those traffic flaggers may be otherwise-unemployable paroled felons, or minimum-security inmates, or homeless individuals, or "normal" people who've crashed in one form or another and exhausted all other income options. The job itself is awful. The hours suck, the working conditions suck (hot sun, freezing cold, heavy rain, you name it), you get no respect from the crew, and there's no place to piss or shit. And those hi-viz full suits you often see are hot as hell.

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    A lot of road construction is covered by something called the Bacon Davis act, or something like that. Those flaggers are probably making forty an hour.

    Lady flaggers are nothing new where I live, and far as I know they get no breaks that the guys don't. Some are jerks, but so are lots a guys. Why they seem to hate their job I couldn't tell you, but it appears that they do. Women on the crew, I've seen a few, but not that many. It must be a fairly new thing.

    Which reminds me of a Forest Service joke. A crew went out to dig line, but forgot their tools. They radioed back to the office, who said no problem, we'll get the tools right out to you. What do we do till then, says the crew? Dispatch reply's, lean on the truck till the shovels get there!
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    I have seen female sign-holders used quite a bit over the years. I've always thought sign-holding had to be lucrative for the easy labor involved. I've often wondered how obvious it was to all of the workers that one worker shovels and one operates the back hoe while two hold the signs. Or how do they pick who holds the sign. Maybe it's a different job title and rate of pay? Maybe someone in the construction trades can enlighten me.
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    Flaggers and workers are different jobs far as I know. A lot of times they don't even work for the same company. Flaggers need to take a class and get certified. Not that it's a college gig or anything, but the roads a funny place. Flagging's harder than it looks.
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    Re: A tampon and a hard hat

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    A lot of road construction is covered by something called the Bacon Davis act, or something like that. Those flaggers are probably making forty an hour.

    Lady flaggers are nothing new where I live, and far as I know they get no breaks that the guys don't. Some are jerks, but so are lots a guys. Why they seem to hate their job I couldn't tell you, but it appears that they do. Women on the crew, I've seen a few, but not that many. It must be a fairly new thing.

    Which reminds me of a Forest Service joke. A crew went out to dig line, but forgot their tools. They radioed back to the office, who said no problem, we'll get the tools right out to you. What do we do till then, says the crew? Dispatch reply's, lean on the truck till the shovels get there!
    40 an hour sounds amazing to me!
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    Re: A tampon and a hard hat

    Quote Originally Posted by Resdayn View Post
    40 an hour sounds amazing to me!
    When you see two flaggers and a electric company chipper truck, their probably not making big bucks. But those working the big federal road projects, their raking it in. I pulled that 40 an hour out a my rear end, but I doubt it's that far off. All mandated by the federal government. Years ago people working these projects made far more than your average factory puke. It's probably not steady work all the time, but they knock e'm dead when they do work. How do you get in? That I don't know. I did know one guy who was friends with the boss and got on. He took a hot rod that would a took a regular Joe two years to build, and finished it in one summer.
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    Re: A tampon and a hard hat

    In my country, there are often females involved in construction. But the situation is very different. In this country, most jobs are associated with a social status, so if you decide to work at a job which is lower in status of your family, your family members will resist, the degree depends on many factors.

    The job of construction worker is very very low status job. I being exposed to MGTOW know and understand that its a hard and necessary work, and nothing about it is "low" in status, but the rest of society is what it is. Now because of that, the people working in construction are very poor, and I mean __very__ poor. Because of that, its like "all hands on deck" situation for them, everyone works to the best of their ability. The females who are wives of construction workers, sometimes work with their husband to assist. The guy might be doing heavy or more dangerous work, while the wife will be assisting with easier stuff, like fetching materials like bricks, sand, cement, etc.
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    Meh. They've had "sign girls" on road crews since I could remember. I'm almost 50 and saw them regularly as a kid.
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    Here in Ontario, Canada construction pays very well. Depending on one's certification etc, but any aspect of construction work that requires a worker exposed to the elements (say -30C) pays more than bare minimum. Another thing I noticed is come winter chills women aren't around much.
    I worked security gigs in high school on weekends and never once encountered a woman doing any physical labour; but with the ever increasing push of 'we can do it all' they are making it in traditional male roles (such as military) but work expectations are less than half than that of male co-workers. I, however, have no idea how their pay grade is ... even if it's accounted for the whole 0.75 to the dollar sham.
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    Re: A tampon and a hard hat

    Other than major road projects the times are reasonable because you are not putting down asphalt or pouring concrete in the middle to late afternoon. It is early to mid morning and early afternoon the latest. For major road projects the pouring of concrete and putting down asphalt happens very late at night or early, early morning.

    The pay is good for flaggers but the hours are inconsistent and they do vary. As long as you have your own transportation and are on time you are good to go.

    For those that live in rural areas that is probably one of the better jobs to find for a man or woman. Certs help too but in the end common sense is what matters most on construction sites.

    The number of dumb dumbs I have seen on construction sites and what they do I can cite in a book the size of War and Peace with ease. The reason why you see more men on construction sites is because it is dangerous and you need to communicate clearly, on time, and not argue. If you are arguing with the General Contractor about a minor detail that is lost money and time for the crew. If you are arguing with the site engineering you are losing money and time. If you are picking a fight with the concrete driver you are asking to have a bad reputation with the rest of the concrete drivers that show up at a site after him. If you have a bad reputation with an electrical worker or the master plumbers you are losing out on valuable information. The more friendly you are towards those men on construction sites and put on a serious game face the more you will learn about a site. And knowledge is power when tackling daily problems on a construction site. You have to use your brain because the location of work changes each day along with how you even enter the construction site. Weather like lightning, rain, hail, wind can also change how you approach you work on a construction site. If you don't have 4 wheel drive that also effects what work and how you navigate a construction site. Requires a lot of thinking and critical thinking skills which is sadly not taught in today's university and collegiate system for young adults.

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    Re: A tampon and a hard hat

    Very well said Azure.

    My contracts were not construction, but had similar problems. I always looked at my contracts like a third place race car. Do you crash or break trying to do something the cars not capable of? Or do you drive smart and go home with a top ten? I chose to be more of a crew chief than a traffic cop, and it worked for me. Of course I broke rules like a sailor in port, but if both the contractors and my people were happy, well so what?

    Women are generally awful at jobs like construction. No common sense, no willingness to comprise or get along. No work ethic. Very few have any idea how to work a dangerous job site. No wonder their late to this party.
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    Re: A tampon and a hard hat

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Very well said Azure.

    My contracts were not construction, but had similar problems. I always looked at my contracts like a third place race car. Do you crash or break trying to do something the cars not capable of? Or do you drive smart and go home with a top ten? I chose to be more of a crew chief than a traffic cop, and it worked for me. Of course I broke rules like a sailor in port, but if both the contractors and my people were happy, well so what?

    Women are generally awful at jobs like construction. No common sense, no willingness to comprise or get along. No work ethic. Very few have any idea how to work a dangerous job site. No wonder their late to this party.
    With these type of jobs there is not set standard where you see time is up where you punch a clock. It literally changes day to day which is why men tend to adapt to these jobs more easily compared to women. Women prefer structure and conformity which is standardized and they leave on time to be with their girlfriends for happy hour.

    At these jobs even if you leave on time you are dead tired or ready to hit the sack early because you have to up very early in the morning.


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