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    Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/...s_before_with/

    Worth reading. This is precisely why we didn't have a Carousel in the past. Today, maybe birth control can protect her from pregnancy, and the abolition of slut-shaming can protect her reputation, but NOTHING can protect her from the psychological toll of dozens of fuck & chucks.

    Love, Sex, and Mutual Respect all went together in the past and today is all unraveled.



    This story made my blood boil extra because in my beta days I was like this. Never again... God I feel so fucking stupid lol just reading it from the other side, my instinct was right even in my BP days and I could sense this stuff was happening, but couldn't actualize it into words or conscious thoughts. I'm posting this more for myself than you guys so I can come back to this on my profile later and reflect.
    Link: https://archive.is/Jmqlz
    So, I've never had a 'healthy' relationship. My first (and longest) relationship was a codependent mess which had insane highs and crashing lows.
    Basic Push/Pull.
    I deeply loved him, obsessed over him, even though in hindsight he treated me terribly, and of course it ended disastrously, taking me years to get over. I've tried dating other guys since then but either they weren't interested and just used me for sex, or I'd realise I was just using them for validation, and nothing ever lasted. I eventually gave up on dating and up until recently, I'd been happily single for about a year.
    Notice how she says "I was just using them for validation". Every man would love to be used for validation if they can in return use you for sex. It's the whole premise of the friendzone and nice guys finishing last. The thing is... she only wants validation from alphas, not the beta billy in this story who I'll get to in a moment. This bitch's hamster is strong, she claims to be using the alphas when you notice that she never mentions exchanging sex to "use" the beta in this story for validation... because the beta's opinion doesn't matter.
    The thing is, he's smart and funny and super nice and actually likes me. He genuinely listens to me, he cares about my interests and remembers things I've told him, and he doesn't play arbitrary relationship games (all of which I'm not used to in the slightest).
    Oh wow... super nice? She must be so aroused from being treated so well. I mean, we see all these BP notions in mainstream society about how chores are the sexiest thing a man can do for foreplay and all that other shit right? Surely, this introspective and self-aware and bold empowered woman is head over heels for the guy who treated her the best... right?
    However, I don't feel like I like him as much as I should. I certainly do like him and I love hanging out with him, and the romantic, intimate stuff is pretty good. But compared to past relationships, as disastrous as they were, this one feels almost ... boring in comparison.
    Oof... it almost stings more when you hear females saying it. You study RP for years, almost memorize the sidebar, yet somewhere deep in side you sorta hope RP isn't true, that you're proven wrong. But once the RP lens is on your eyes, you can't ever close them.
    I don't crave to be with him, I don't get wild fireworks when he kisses me, I don't feel my heart flutter when I get a text from him. I do feel a strong sense of affection that's almost a weird mix of close friendship and 'this guy is a dork and I really like kissing him'. And for the first time ever, I almost prefer just hanging out in his kitchen and making dinner together to being intimate (which is totally opposite to past relationships that were mostly built around sex).
    Okay. Let me ask you guys this (newcomers). Would you rather be the guy who she gets wild fireworks for when you kiss her, who's heart flutters from just a text from you, and who prefers having sex with you than to do a chore like making dinner together? And has sex with you most of the time? Or do you wanna be the guy who she thinks of literally as a dork and a "close friend"? You need to shed BP fantasies because they're not gonna make the bitch fall head over heels for you. TRP does that, or at least it can if you utilize it properly.
    So I've been wondering how much of that lack of intensity is due to him not being right for me, or if it's because he isright for me. Maybe I don't get fireworks when we kiss because he freely kisses me all the time without making me work for it. Maybe my heart doesn't flutter when he texts because I know he'll always text back without making me wait for hours on end. Maybe I don't constantly think about him and crave his presence because I know he'll be there when I need him. Maybe the intensity isn't there because I don't have to fight for his attention, or walk on eggshells, or agonise about him not being there for me. I know I feel a sense of warmth, of contentment, when I think about him, and when we're together there's not really anywhere else I'd rather be. Maybe that's enough?
    That's exactly right. She doesn't get fireworks from kisses because Chad's kisses are in USD, whereas the beta's kisses are in Pesos. Showering her with affection isn't gonna make her feel the most passionate she possibly could about you. You need to understand that you need to man up and escape BP conditioning, and relearn gender dynamics and social structure from an unbiased and scientific perspective. Do you want her to constantly think about you and crave your presence? Then you heard from her own mouth what you need to do... women drop gems when complaining, they just don't realize it. I was watching Youtube vids a long time ago on fuckboys, and women who complained admitted that they felt a thrill about them and they chased them ruthlessly. You have to make her crave your attention. Oh, and this bitch is completely lying about there not being anywhere else she'd rather be... she literally admitted before that she doesn't feel the same attraction and intensity with the beta that she did with the Chads... if Chad called her up she'd easily drop the beta to spend more time with who she's really attracted to.
    TLDR: A lot of newcomers will fall into the same trap I did. They'll be hesitant to apply their extensive knowledge of TRP because they crave true romance. You need to drill into your head that the BP will NOT get you to that romantic place, it'll just stifle your progress and make her lose interest and find the relationship boring. TRP is way more effective for making her attracted to you, the girl in this post admitted it over and over. I know some of you guys want love, like me, but before you get love you have to conquer the pussy sexually and get lust first. And train her to crave your kisses, affection, attention, etc. THEN you'll know what's it's like to have a girl head over heels crazy about you... and in occasional bouts of passion at that point, you can feel the most intense romantic connection you ever will. TBP doesn't get you love... TRP is way more effective for making her cherish, crave, and almost worship you.
    Edit: Also forgot to mention this gem, credit to Beegoop.
    I deeply loved him, obsessed over him, even though in hindsight he treated me terribly, and of course it ended disastrously, taking me years to get over.
    You could read that 2 ways... one is on-the-surface, and the other is "guys, if you wanna make me deeply love you and obsess over you, here's what you do". Read between the lines.

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    When a woman calls a man a dork that can possibly be the kiss of death. Not as bad as being called a nice guy but it is pretty close. This is because women associate younger siblings as "dorks" that are annoying, codependent and needy.

    Bottom line is you have to keep the hamster guessing which I guess is easy if you are naturally indifferent. But the hamster becomes tired at some point and goes looking for another project man to "fix".

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Okay. Let me ask you guys this (newcomers). Would you rather be the guy who she gets wild fireworks for when you kiss her, who's heart flutters from just a text from you, and who prefers having sex with you than to do a chore like making dinner together? And has sex with you most of the time? Or do you wanna be the guy who she thinks of literally as a dork and a "close friend"?
    Here's a question: which of these would you prefer when you fall ill? Women slot the people around them into roles. Being the dark and crazy alpha sex man means that you don't get any chicken soup if you're sick. Coming down with a serious head cold and you are on your own, buddy. Alpha sex man must be alpha all the time. The second he fails to be alpha, he has deceived her, he's not the man she thought he was.

    Fukkit.

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    This is why modern women are not worth bothering with. Women today are all like this; being alpha widows and attracted to douchebags and jerks while repulsed by good men is just the start of your problems if you get involved with them. They are expensive, high-risk, and offer absolutely no long-term return on investment. They are incapable of being loving, loyal, or honest.

    Your best bet is to either avoid them entirely, or use them sparingly for sex. Just be careful, because desire for sex and companionship is the primary mechanism through which women and society exploit men. Every time you get involved, you are playing with fire. Investing in yourself is the safer and far more rational approach, but it takes massive self-discipline and dedication.

    This is why daily doses of red pills are so important, especially when you are first starting out. After awhile, it becomes much easier.

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Once the fish is on the stringer, you don't look forward to that one any more. Plain and simple....
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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Hypergamy should be made known to all men as much as the alpha widow process but most of all it should be made clear what happens when the two coexist.

    Its no simply that a woman seek the best option possible given her value, it also happens that she wont be happy even if that happens as long as in past (while counting on a higher value) she managed to get a man above her current best option.

    Its not only the beta that women pick before hitting the wall as a cash machine that should be concerned, even the lesser alpha they get in their late 20s after a bigger alpha left marks on their psyche should think very carefully before taking the wrong decision in terms of investment.

    A succesful man in a decent body that gives her a roof, a nice life style and safety will hardly outmatch the popular guido who had her virginity after a concert on the back seat of his camaro 10 yrs earlier.

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    ...but before you get love...
    There is no love, only obsession and codependency. She's not attached to you, or craving you. She's simply attached to a fantasy she has about your image, and her abandonment anxiety keeps her there. I agree that nice guys finish last, but there is no point in pretending that the other guy doesn't also finish last.

    When you become the Chad, you are still playing the game. You are still a performing monkey. The difference is the performing monkey vs the performing Gorilla. The value of either is perceived through the lens of the Zoo keeper....an unqualified one.


    You are dancing to the unstable and psychologically damaged music that she craves. Lets not pretend there is anything but egoic dysfunction here. Lets not pretend there is love, worshiping or anything else, because it's all based on her psychological fears. However, if you are ok with that, then have at it.

    Ive had women obsessed with me before so I know what you're talking about...and most of them knew barely anything about me. In fact, one is still obsessed 6 years later.
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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    "Nice guy" = creep trying to use 'nice' as social currency.
    "Good guy" = decent guy who I SHOULD like but be bores me. So I will use him or Frivorce(tm) him.

    Guys, if you still need to squirt inside the female parasite from time to time to keep sane...

    TREAT HER LIKE FUCKING DOG SHIT.

    Why?!??! Because women treat men who are good to them terribly.

    It's insane, but that's how it goes.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Eh. In my experience women do like nice guys, even if they aren't the most interesting and funny people to be around with. Obviously if they are so plain and boring it will be an issue - but no-one is really that.

    What they mean by 'nice guy' is below avg BETA. and no woman opens her legs for such a man - no matter how interesting/funny/well-dressed and rich he is.

    Wh would she? In the modern western world, all she has to do is pop-out a few kids and she is living large. Entrainment? You have Netflix. Companionship? Pets or her social circle.

    Next comes the tingles, that is where chad/tyrone comes in.

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Opaque's post is exactly the point I was trying to make in a different thread, except he said it a lot more-succinctly. I think the days are over where women look to men to be their single solution for all their needs. Now it's all a la carte. She'll go here to get this, there to get that, and over there to get the other. As long as there are no unmet needs at the end of the day (week, month, year, life), then it's all good in her mind.

    There are so many offshoots to this M.O. that it'd turn into a book. Tempted...

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I agree that nice guys finish last, but there is no point in pretending that the other guy doesn't also finish last.
    Gotta agree. Post-wall chad is often no different from the post-wall woman. And even when he's in his prime he rarely has any direction in life other than laying Miss Hot-Bod.

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Opaque's post is exactly the point I was trying to make in a different thread, except he said it a lot more-succinctly. I think the days are over where women look to men to be their single solution for all their needs. Now it's all a la carte. She'll go here to get this, there to get that, and over there to get the other. As long as there are no unmet needs at the end of the day (week, month, year, life), then it's all good in her mind.

    There are so many offshoots to this M.O. that it'd turn into a book. Tempted...
    Yup!
    In a city like London, what is £50,000 a year? (which is way way above average!). It's nothing for some single mother who has popped out several kids and is milking the state dry. In the UK, having 3 or 4 children you can make above £50,000/year and you don't have a manager breathing down your neck for it.

    If she is remotely good looking, and accentuates the right parts of her body, there will be plenty of thirsty simps who will thrown their life savings on her.

    Women take the easy road, and it is men who are so dumb and try to be 'noble' and 'hard-working decent people' LOLOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    "Nice guy" = creep trying to use 'nice' as social currency.
    "Good guy" = decent guy who I SHOULD like but be bores me. So I will use him or Frivorce(tm) him.
    When looking at Frivorce (good one) I decided to look up the etymology of Divorce on Free Dictionary. The definition is exactly what we know it as.. legal separation. But we are all aware that is not what it truly is... Then I looked up Divest:

    Correct all you're your grammar errors instantly. Try it now.
    divest


    Also found in: Thesaurus, Legal, Financial, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.di·vest

    (dĭ-vĕst′, dī-)tr.v. di·vest·ed, di·vest·ing, di·vests1. To strip, as of clothes.
    2.a. To deprive, as of rights or property; dispossess.
    b. To free of; rid: "Most secretive of men, let him at last divest himself of secrets, both his and ours" (Brendan Gill).

    3. To sell off or otherwise dispose of (a subsidiary company or an investment).
    4. Law To devest.


    [Alteration (influenced by Medieval Latin dīvestīre, to undress) of devest.]

    di·vest′ment n.
    American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
    divest

    (daɪˈvɛst)vb1. (Clothing & Fashion) to strip (of clothes): to divest oneself of one's coat.
    2. to deprive or dispossess
    3. (Law) property law to take away an estate or interest in property vested in (a person)

    [C17: changed from earlier devest]
    diˈvestible adj
    divestiture, divesture, diˈvestment n
    Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
    di•vest

    (dɪˈvɛst, daɪ-)

    v.t.1. to strip of clothing, ornament, etc.
    2. to strip or deprive (someone or something), esp. of property or rights; dispossess.
    3. to rid of or free from: to divest oneself of responsibility for a decision.
    4. to take away (property, legal rights, etc.).
    5.a. to sell off.
    b. to rid of through sale.

    [1595–1605; < Medieval Latin dīvestīre= Latin dī- di-2 + vestīre to dress, vest]
    di•ves′ti•ble, adj.
    Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
    divest


    Past participle: divested
    Gerund: divesting

    ImperativePresentPreteritePresent ContinuousPresent PerfectPast ContinuousPast PerfectFutureFuture PerfectFuture ContinuousPresent Perfect ContinuousFuture Perfect ContinuousPast Perfect ContinuousConditionalPast Conditional
    Imperative
    divest
    divest
    Collins English Verb Tables © HarperCollins Publishers 2011

    ThesaurusAntonymsRelated WordsSynonymsLegend:
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    Verb 1. divest - take away possessions from someone; "The Nazis stripped the Jews of all their assets"deprive, strip
    unarm, disarm - take away the weapons from; render harmless
    expropriate - deprive of possessions; "The Communist government expropriated the landowners"
    clean - deprive wholly of money in a gambling game, robbery, etc.; "The other players cleaned him completely"
    take - take into one's possession; "We are taking an orphan from Romania"; "I'll take three salmon steaks"
    dispossess - deprive of the possession of real estate
    clean out - deprive completely of money or goods; "The robbers cleaned us out in a couple of hours"
    unclothe - strip; "unclothe your heart of envy"
    unsex - deprive of sex or sexual powers
    orphan - deprive of parents
    bereave - deprive through death
    2. divest - deprive of status or authority; "he was divested of his rights and his title"; "They disinvested themselves of their rights"disinvest
    dethrone - remove a monarch from the throne; "If the King does not abdicate, he will have to be dethroned"
    discharge, free - free from obligations or duties
    defrock, unfrock - divest of the frock; of church officials
    enthrone, vest, invest - provide with power and authority; "They vested the council with special rights"
    3. divest - reduce or dispose of; cease to hold (an investment); "The company decided to divest"; "the board of trustees divested $20 million in real estate property"; "There was pressure on the university to disinvest in South Africa"disinvest
    draw off, take out, withdraw, draw - remove (a commodity) from (a supply source); "She drew $2,000 from the account"; "The doctors drew medical supplies from the hospital's emergency bank"
    invest, commit, put, place - make an investment; "Put money into bonds"
    4. divest - remove (someone's or one's own) clothes; "The nurse quickly undressed the accident victim"; "She divested herself of her outdoor clothes"; "He disinvested himself of his garments"undress, disinvest, strip
    discase, disrobe, strip down, uncase, undress, strip, unclothe, peel - get undressed; "please don't undress in front of everybody!"; "She strips in front of strangers every night for a living"
    remove, take away, withdraw, take - remove something concrete, as by lifting, pushing, or taking off, or remove something abstract; "remove a threat"; "remove a wrapper"; "Remove the dirty dishes from the table"; "take the gun from your pocket"; "This machine withdraws heat from the environment"
    Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
    divest

    verb1. deprive, strip, dispossess, despoil They were divested of all their personal possessions.
    2. strip, remove, take off, undress, denude, disrobe, unclothe the formalities of divesting her of her coat

    Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002
    divest

    verb1. To make bare:bare, denude, disrobe, expose, strip, uncover.

    2. To take or keep something away from:deprive, dispossess, rob, strip.


    The American Heritage® Roget's Thesaurus. Copyright © 2013, 2014 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.




    Sound familiar? Given that it's already well-known in the english language, I'm going to start using it in place of Divorce at all times.

    Bonus Round: Watch this video from a MGTOW perspective... It was there all along.

    Last edited by devilcomeknockin; August 5, 2019 at 10:53 PM.

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    Wow. Hetfield playing a Tele? Say it ain't so......

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    Re: Straight from the Horse's Mouth- Woman Explains why her decent "Good Guy" new Boyfriend (read: her equal in SMV) is no fun esp. compare to her Flings

    The schism between blue pill and red pill is big enough; but when MGTOW enters the picture it dwarfs the red pill man who for the first time sees his reflection in a mirror - and doesn't like the domestic act of pandering to a female's nature like a dog chasing its tails.
    There is little to no difference between red and blue pill and the underlying craving for a woman's affection/attention/validation - one uses blue pill doctrines while the other 'understands' women but is incapable to internalizing that knowledge to sweep women off the pedestal.

    If anything I have sympathy for the blue pillers; but the red pill PUAs are drug addicts justifying why they use their kids food money for drugs.
    when it gets too cheap and feels cheap, wealth is about not owning it or desiring it, but discarding it if one finds himself in possession of it...


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