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    Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Looks like Rollo had a huge falling out with the 21 convention. Why do I care? I'm not sure.

    I've learned a ton from Rollo's early work. For the last few years though, I suspected his ego was out of control. He always seemed to be putting a finer point on absolutely everything in an effort to prove himself the godfather of the red pill. It's sad really.

    DDJ covered it in a vid as well, but after his falling out with TFM, I don't know....

    For being "red pilled men", it seems like so many of the "thought leaders" can get really bitchy. It just sucks that the manosphere can't even keep loose alliances in place. It seems to turn into a circular firing squad about every two years. It's no wonder the feminists have total control over the legal system.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    I've done a little more digging and unfortunately, both sides of this just seem like a bunch of bitchy women.

    It's interesting to me that lots of these guys throw shade at MGTOW. It is very strange to me that a man simply walking away from the system so enrages both feminists and other "red pillers" alike.
    They all stand in a circle and accuse each other of being purple pill. They try to sell their tactical soap (to attract women) or what ever snake oil they may have. It all just gets kind of gross as they all try to "out alpha" each other.

    How about transcend that shit guys? Na. those MGTOW guys are just a bunch of incels in disguise. It's much more masculine to bicker with each other like a bunch of squawking hens. LOL

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Blaze a trail forthwith away from any clusterfuck or crowd and you'll be the one with plenty of elbow room and distance from others! Then look 10 miles up that trail and you'll see me!

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    A good day gentlemen

    here's a link which explains the motivation why Mr. Tomassi has been removed from participating at the convention.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/412763803/Statement-on-Removal-of-RT-From-21


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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    I read that link. His fan boys are still defending him because "He was obviously right about the 21 convention being too purple pill". It's like a dick measuring contest where the winners are fighting to see who can top 4 1/2 inches.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Also it seems like that female reporter ends up being the winner doesn't it? She comes off as an honest reporter trying to learn more about "The red pill". Kind of a Cassie Jaye 2.0. But low and behold, she shows up and finds out these red pill guys are really a bunch of whiny douche nozzles. Can't wait for that movie to come out.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    I've done a little more digging and unfortunately, both sides of this just seem like a bunch of bitchy women.

    It's interesting to me that lots of these guys throw shade at MGTOW. It is very strange to me that a man simply walking away from the system so enrages both feminists and other "red pillers" alike.
    They all stand in a circle and accuse each other of being purple pill. They try to sell their tactical soap (to attract women) or what ever snake oil they may have. It all just gets kind of gross as they all try to "out alpha" each other.

    How about transcend that shit guys? Na. those MGTOW guys are just a bunch of incels in disguise. It's much more masculine to bicker with each other like a bunch of squawking hens. LOL
    Word.

    I'm not sure what all these people are about, I don't really follow any of them extensively. But they are behaving like a bunch of women. Fighting and fussing amongst each other, bickering and talking shit behind one another's backs like high school girls.

    It's fucking shameful the way they are behaving. I'd be embarrassed...if I gave a shit, or belonged to any part of a movement or a group. But I don't, since I'm a MGTOW. So instead I'm just sitting here, shaking my head in silence, and finding other stimulating dialogues to listen to instead.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Looks like Rollo had a huge falling out with the 21 convention. Why do I care? I'm not sure.

    I've learned a ton from Rollo's early work. For the last few years though, I suspected his ego was out of control. He always seemed to be putting a finer point on absolutely everything in an effort to prove himself the godfather of the red pill. It's sad really.

    DDJ covered it in a vid as well, but after his falling out with TFM, I don't know....

    For being "red pilled men", it seems like so many of the "thought leaders" can get really bitchy. It just sucks that the manosphere can't even keep loose alliances in place. It seems to turn into a circular firing squad about every two years. It's no wonder the feminists have total control over the legal system.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    It's interesting to me that lots of these guys throw shade at MGTOW
    I totally get why the various Alt-Right and Red Pill/PUA etc do that. Its 'cos MGTOW are just fucking-off off of the pitch, in what they think, is mid-game but also MGTOW are not famous for giving a shit about ishoos.

    Any MGTOW bad-press just gets more folks Googling and then more folks going Galt.

    Did they hear about our infamous empty chair?

    Maybe they'd save some time and energy by imitating us on that (not that there is an 'us').

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Ahh yes. George Bruno, the man child at 60 plus years of age. Interestingly enough, he tried to bring in that Nellie Bowles Reporter into this Twitter war with me as well...

    https://youtu.be/wmWwxkoxkKM?t=222
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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdTheBad View Post
    I totally get why the various Alt-Right and Red Pill/PUA etc do that. Its 'cos MGTOW are just fucking-off off of the pitch, in what they think, is mid-game but also MGTOW are not famous for giving a shit about ishoos.

    Any MGTOW bad-press just gets more folks Googling and then more folks going Galt.

    Did they hear about our infamous empty chair?

    Maybe they'd save some time and energy by imitating us on that (not that there is an 'us').

    O...O...Own-it!

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    I dont know about 21 studios, but I think if a red-pill/pua/whatever is criticizing mgtow, if not doing deliberately (paid shill in disguise or whatever), then that can come from a simple misunderstanding of mixing past experiences of mgtow people with their present mental state.

    Imagine a curious lurker stumbling over here, then reading a bunch of new member intros and then thinking "wow these guys are salty... etc etc". The problem is, those experiences are PAST, we have learnt something from those and now are at an entirely different mental state. We have figured out a perfect strategy to solve our problems and its working extremely well. And because of that we are happy !!
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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Ironically I am going to use game terminology to explain the "manosphere" infighting.

    It is basically a tug-of-war regarding social value and social currency. They fail to realize the men that care the least, but have an abundance mentality thrive the most.

    They all are operating from a scarcity mindset regarding social value and social currency which is why they are fighting over the little attention they receive from mainstream mass media. Now, Rollo and DDJ types want to be more overt with their attention seeking from main stream mass media. And then you have the others that want attention but from a niche audience.

    For example, I don't think mgtow are superior to incels. I think mgtow have a better frame of mind and a realistic view of the world. Incels, red pillers, PUAs eventually all learn that all roads lead to mgtow.

    A measuring stick is important to gauge personal progress. But in the end personal progress means something different to each different man at different points in time. Once you reach that point in your life you discard the measuring stick and start to enjoy your life.

    Abundance mindset is about not measuring yourself to compare to others, or putting down others to raise your value. Abundance mentality is confidence that you already have everything already. And, anything else that comes your way is a bonus.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by sirreaper View Post
    Ahh yes. George Bruno, the man child at 60 plus years of age. Interestingly enough, he tried to bring in that Nellie Bowles Reporter into this Twitter war with me as well...

    https://youtu.be/wmWwxkoxkKM?t=222
    That guy sets off my gaydar. Are we even sure he is straight? Gay people don't really offend me, other than the fact that they really don't have a dog in the fight. In that video, he's using shaming tactics like a bitch. It's really amazing how much femininity has seeped into men these days. It's another reason I listen to IBMOR content. They ones I have listened to really seem to get this because it has disproportionately affected the black community.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Wow, I just finished that video. That guy is unstable as hell. All his ranting was clearly projection. You don't go around to all of "some guys" social media like that if you are stable. What a lunatic.

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    NICE CHAIR!

    Here's mine! Make yourself comfortable.

    Thanks but I'll stand, I don't mind...I like standing.

    Also flammenwerfers, everybody likes flammenwerfers.

    Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate. Zhuangzi

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdTheBad View Post
    Thanks but I'll stand, I don't mind...I like standing.

    Also flammenwerfers, everybody likes flammenwerfers.

    "flammenwerfer": Fire extinguisher from hell!

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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    I'll see your flame thrower and raise you some napalm. I have respect for guys who try and play the "PC Mob Justice" game especially when they use the Left's own tactics against them. There is nothing funnier than the look on a feminists face when a guys says "Excuse me? Did you just MISGENDER ME?!?" As a staunch anti-feminist and Anti-Social Justice Warrior (Hey, I like that!) I really like it that some guys are willing to invest time wading unscathed among the piranhas of society while triggering the fuck out of people who represent a large collective waste of skin.

    THAT SAID. As a MGTOW, I find myself less and less concerned with popular media and Leftist culture. It really used to be an obsession of mine, being an Anti-Social Justice Warrior. But now, I just DGAF. I don't care what color they dye their hair. I don't care about how the "unpaid labor fight" is going. I don't care which feminists are winning - inclusive vs. TERFS. I just DGAF anymore. I keep my ear to the ground so I can keep informed (especially on issues which may affect my kids, like GSA and the Gender Programming Agenda) but I'm really going into a new stage of MGTOW lately. I really just don't GAF what these wrinkled old ladies, purple haired fatties, transistor/transformer/genderconfused faggos. I'm tired of how much media coverage the 1% of society gets, and how FUCKING WHINY and ENTITLED they are. I just can't do it anymore. When I see them in groups I just think about napalm and walk on.


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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by sirreaper View Post
    Ahh yes. George Bruno, the man child at 60 plus years of age. Interestingly enough, he tried to bring in that Nellie Bowles Reporter into this Twitter war with me as well...

    https://youtu.be/wmWwxkoxkKM?t=222
    bruno used continuously shaming tatics like a bitch. His arrogance has no fucking boundaries. I know you used this to make your video But IMHO you should shot him down immediately. He's not worth the time you invested in this guy. But I understand why you did get involved . . . he lost it . . . you didn't. What a cunt Bruno 0 : SirReaper 1
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    Re: Has anyone sorted out the drama in the 21 studios thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    I'll see your flame thrower and raise you some napalm. I have respect for guys who try and play the "PC Mob Justice" game especially when they use the Left's own tactics against them. There is nothing funnier than the look on a feminists face when a guys says "Excuse me? Did you just MISGENDER ME?!?" As a staunch anti-feminist and Anti-Social Justice Warrior (Hey, I like that!) I really like it that some guys are willing to invest time wading unscathed among the piranhas of society while triggering the fuck out of people who represent a large collective waste of skin.

    THAT SAID. As a MGTOW, I find myself less and less concerned with popular media and Leftist culture. It really used to be an obsession of mine, being an Anti-Social Justice Warrior. But now, I just DGAF. I don't care what color they dye their hair. I don't care about how the "unpaid labor fight" is going. I don't care which feminists are winning - inclusive vs. TERFS. I just DGAF anymore. I keep my ear to the ground so I can keep informed (especially on issues which may affect my kids, like GSA and the Gender Programming Agenda) but I'm really going into a new stage of MGTOW lately. I really just don't GAF what these wrinkled old ladies, purple haired fatties, transistor/transformer/genderconfused faggos. I'm tired of how much media coverage the 1% of society gets, and how FUCKING WHINY and ENTITLED they are. I just can't do it anymore. When I see them in groups I just think about napalm and walk on.


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