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    Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    I know it's been said before, but as men in today's western world, we have absolutely no reproductive rights. I wrote an article about it on the NotAFather Blog HERE. I assume you guys agree. Thoughts?

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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    First, you should post an intro before making new subjects.
    Second, why are you promoting your own blog?
    At least write something in the subject you created, instead of just redirecting to an outside site.

    You do not leave a good impression on your first post.

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    My thoughts on a blog article about reducing your fertility to zero to prevent the pregnancy chain? Useful for the P&D crew. Not so much for others. Still doesn't absolve you from being patsied for the father unless you actually get a vasectomy or somesuch (IE legal proof of infertility). And even then, in some systems *coughCanadacough* you can still legally be assigned the burden of father.

    Safer overall to just not bother engaging in relations at all in places where it ends up being a legal hazard.
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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by AeternusDoleo View Post

    Safer overall to just not bother engaging in relations at all in places where it ends up being a legal hazard.
    To say the least.

    Women are like fireworks, its all fun until they blow up in your hands.

    There are a huge variety of reasons to avoid relationships.
    Some will value the safety from legal complications, like false abuse or harassment claims.
    Others will value their financial security, being on the hook for being in a relationship; marriage, cohabitation or children.
    But the most important for me (and most men), is the psychological attrition, the continued aggravating nature of females.

    Most men endure this female characteristic out of the desire for sex. If women had no holes, then most men would run like from the plague.

    In this case, our friend is into threesomes. The simple fact that women are into this is indicates that they are ridding the cock carousel. They are in it for the fun. In their language, they are "not in a serious relationship".

    Its like playing with party-poopers: all fun, no danger.

    But one day you might want to go "steady", or have no word to say about it as you are "in love"... That is when you graduate to gunpowder fireworks: a lot more exciting , a lot more dangerous. And inevitably it will blow up in your hands.

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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Manfred - I posted an intro, but it needs to be updated, I'll get on that this evening. As for promoting a blog, I'm pretty upfront about that, but I'm also here to help other men like myself and I figured MGTOW forums would be a great place to start.
    And yeah, sure, if women weren't required for reproduction and we didn't have a biological drive none of us would bother, but that goes without saying. Those statements are somewhat inconsequential though, because humans have a preexisting biological drive to mate, and to pair-bond, however fleeting those relationships may be. It's up to each man to decide which risks he wants to take.

    Aeternus - Yeah, I realize many men have opted out of sex entirely, but I'm clearly not one of them. I'm mostly here to help those that have decided to continue having relationships with women and want to limit the possibility of pregnancy. You make a good point though, even if you're not the biological father you can still be held legally responsible in some very rare cases, but those are becoming more common. It's a very scary possibility.

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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeman Rourke View Post
    I know it's been said before, but as men in today's western world, we have absolutely no reproductive rights. I wrote an article about it on the NotAFather Blog HERE. I assume you guys agree. Thoughts?
    I read your essay. There's the law and there's what I think.

    The way I see it, once pregnant, she claims the decision to carry to term is her decision alone, essentially claiming eminent domain over his DNA content inside her body, as the law denies him a say. At this moment, I believe that 100% of the embryo is hers and none is his. He now lacks a stake in that embryo, has zero ownership, same as every other male on the planet. Effectively, this is true. I would like to see a man sue and win in court to make this point legal, that her sole decision backed by the law serves to confiscate from him all of his ownership of the contents inside her body and that he is now no more obligated to her or to her embryo than any other person.

    Later, when she has the baby, she looks around for money and sees a pathway to get some. She remembers his legacy ownership from before she legally took it away, and to increase her success at her plan she awards partial ownership back to the guy whether he wants it or not, claiming the baby is his too when it was all hers immediately before, referring to a time before she took eminent domain. Everybody falls for this sleight-of-hand. I'd like to see a man sue and win in court that, once she took eminent domain, she cannot obligate a prior owner of her baby any more than a renter can sue a prior landlord. She had cut him out of the picture, against his will, and this decision of hers should carry important consequences for her, namely that she cannot force him back into the picture, against his will, just to extract his resources. It also would restore importance and dignity to him as a person and not a tool.
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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    I think we mostly agree. I would like to see men have the ability of a "financial abortion" where they can opt out completely and never have anything to do with the woman, the child, and not pay for it monetarily. Sadly this is likely not going to happen in our lifetimes in the US, Europe, and most of the western world. My biggest hope for men is that we have a new form of birth control such as Vasalgel (basically the male equivalent of the IUD) in the near future. But even this is probably not going to happen for many years.

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    There is one thing you can do that will prevent any woman from cashing in on your sperm and forcing you into 18 years of indentured servitude: get a vasectomy.

    If you get a vasectomy, it will never matter if she "forgets" the pill or if the condom (which you should STILL be wearing) breaks. It will also protect you against paternity fraud. She will never be able to get pregnant from another guy and pin it on you either, because as soon as she tries you will know it's not yours, and you have legal documentation proving you are sterile. It's gonna be tough to get child support out of you after that. She will never be able to con you out of $500 for a fake abortion with a $10 fake pregnancy test she bought on craigslist. (yes, this is a real thing that women do) Vasectomies protect men in all sorts of ways. But the most important way is preventing you from becoming a father. Becoming a father in today's gynocentric man-hating society is pretty much a death sentence.

    Of course, you can also choose not to engage women at all. Unless you are 100% committed to monk mode, and you will never, EVER touch a woman again; in which case, you are probably stronger than all but the top 0.0001% of MGTOW. Get it as soon as you can, BEFORE you need it.

    For the record, yes I have one. I practice what I preach. And I highly recommend that every MGTOW get one as well. The peace of mind alone is worth it, and the protection it gives you is priceless.

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    Well, a vasectomy will protect you against unwanted fatherhood, but... not against a whole slew of other issues rampant promiscuity threatens one with. Snipping your cords doesn't make you STD proof.
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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    *Males have no reproductive rights*

    *Azure Nomad proceeds to walk away and climb the highest hill he can find*

    Men are not powerless if you know your options. That is the one key benefit of being a man in that you can be a master of your own destiny.

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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeman Rourke View Post
    I think we mostly agree. I would like to see men have the ability of a "financial abortion" where they can opt out completely and never have anything to do with the woman, the child, and not pay for it monetarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    There is one thing you can do that will prevent any woman from cashing in on your sperm and forcing you into 18 years of indentured servitude: get a vasectomy.

    If you get a vasectomy, it will never matter if she "forgets" the pill or if the condom (which you should STILL be wearing) breaks. It will also protect you against paternity fraud. She will never be able to get pregnant from another guy and pin it on you either, because as soon as she tries you will know it's not yours, and you have legal documentation proving you are sterile. It's gonna be tough to get child support out of you after that. She will never be able to con you out of $500 for a fake abortion with a $10 fake pregnancy test she bought on craigslist. (yes, this is a real thing that women do) Vasectomies protect men in all sorts of ways. But the most important way is preventing you from becoming a father. Becoming a father in today's gynocentric man-hating society is pretty much a death sentence.

    Of course, you can also choose not to engage women at all. Unless you are 100% committed to monk mode, and you will never, EVER touch a woman again; in which case, you are probably stronger than all but the top 0.0001% of MGTOW. Get it as soon as you can, BEFORE you need it.

    For the record, yes I have one. I practice what I preach. And I highly recommend that every MGTOW get one as well. The peace of mind alone is worth it, and the protection it gives you is priceless.
    I'm getting mine done soon. I want a significant portion of the vas deferens removed, not just a cut with fulguration. The ends will still be cauterized but the length removed is also related to the failure rate. I want to see them in a specimen cup after they are removed.
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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Men have NEVER had any rights as far as a knocked-up bitch goes. Or did I miss something?
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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Please post an intro. We only accept posts in the lounge after you post a valid, detailed intro.

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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by AeternusDoleo View Post
    Well, a vasectomy will protect you against unwanted fatherhood, but... not against a whole slew of other issues rampant promiscuity threatens one with. Snipping your cords doesn't make you STD proof.
    Carousel poles tend to get dirty.
    Agreed, and that's why I recommend always wearing a condom as well. Of course neither a vasectomy nor condoms will protect you against false rape/abuse accusations or the myriad of other methods women employ to destroy men's lives and reputations, but if we are just talking about reproductive rights, I'd argue that a vasectomy (while still wearing condoms) is the absolute best and safest option. Other than abstinence, of course.

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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Sole choice in bringing the child into the world should mean sole responsibility to garner the resources required to do so.
    If feminists REALLY gave 2 shits about actual equality, the "she chooses, he pays" reproductive scam would have been the first issue on the roster.

    Also, isn't it interesting that 'keep it in your pants' is still the defacto "reproductive right" for men, but if you said "should have kept your legs closed" the world would immediately stop turning?
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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    @bob - You're right, men never had reproductive rights. But I believe now is the most critical time to be aware of this fact.

    @Juggernaut - Congrats! And good plan, I hope all goes well with the vasectomy. I'll have a guest blog post up from a colleague of mine who got a vasectomy when he was in his early twenties. He never once regretted his decision, and he's now over 50.

    @Opaque - I posted an intro already, and rewrote it last night to be a little more detailed.

    @Xanthine - yeah, vasectomy and condoms are the best combo for safety (so far), but hopefully we will have decent long-term male birth control option someday. I honestly don't worry about the whole false rape thing, and I've had sex with a lot of women (and will continue to do so). The horror stories are scary, but the actual risk and percentage of NORMAL men that have to deal with these accusations is incredibly low. Now if you were a high profile celebrity or sports star, I'd be pretty worried.

    @Sid - I agree, this should have been taken care of a long time ago and many of the extremist feminist movements don't desire equality at all, it seems more like they want reparation.

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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeman Rourke View Post
    @bob - You're right, men never had reproductive rights. But I believe now is the most critical time to be aware of this fact.

    @Juggernaut - Congrats! And good plan, I hope all goes well with the vasectomy. I'll have a guest blog post up from a colleague of mine who got a vasectomy when he was in his early twenties. He never once regretted his decision, and he's now over 50.

    @Opaque - I posted an intro already, and rewrote it last night to be a little more detailed.

    @Xanthine - yeah, vasectomy and condoms are the best combo for safety (so far), but hopefully we will have decent long-term male birth control option someday. I honestly don't worry about the whole false rape thing, and I've had sex with a lot of women (and will continue to do so). The horror stories are scary, but the actual risk and percentage of NORMAL men that have to deal with these accusations is incredibly low. Now if you were a high profile celebrity or sports star, I'd be pretty worried.

    @Sid - I agree, this should have been taken care of a long time ago and many of the extremist feminist movements don't desire equality at all, it seems more like they want reparation.
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    I must have gotten a feminist sex doll by mistake. I told her to make me a sandwich and she burst into flames.
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    Re: Men Have No Reproductive Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeman Rourke View Post
    @bob - You're right, men never had reproductive rights. But I believe now is the most critical time to be aware of this fact.

    @Juggernaut - Congrats! And good plan, I hope all goes well with the vasectomy. I'll have a guest blog post up from a colleague of mine who got a vasectomy when he was in his early twenties. He never once regretted his decision, and he's now over 50.

    @Opaque - I posted an intro already, and rewrote it last night to be a little more detailed.

    @Xanthine - yeah, vasectomy and condoms are the best combo for safety (so far), but hopefully we will have decent long-term male birth control option someday. I honestly don't worry about the whole false rape thing, and I've had sex with a lot of women (and will continue to do so). The horror stories are scary, but the actual risk and percentage of NORMAL men that have to deal with these accusations is incredibly low. Now if you were a high profile celebrity or sports star, I'd be pretty worried.

    @Sid - I agree, this should have been taken care of a long time ago and many of the extremist feminist movements don't desire equality at all, it seems more like they want reparation.
    I didn't worry about false rape accusations either, until I had one filed against me. I am lucky it was with the city police (and not campus police) and also that it was before all the rape hysteria started spreading, otherwise it would likely have ended my career before it began.

    It happened about 8 years ago, when I was still an undergrad. This was well before they started instructing and encouraging women to report CONSENSUAL sex as rape on college campuses as part of their curriculum. In other words, it is a hell of a lot more likely to happen now than it was back then when it happened to me.

    This is also just one example of how a woman VERY NEARLY ruined my life. I'm not kidding when I say my entire fate was decided by her whim. If she'd decided to press charges I'd likely be in prison now. The only reason she made the accusation in the first place was because she wanted to get back together with her ex (who she was cheating on with me at the time, unbeknownst to me) and probably the only thing that saved me was she decided to monkey branch to me after all was said and done. I didn't even find out about this shit until months later, and the only reason I did find out is because I stupidly let her move in with me briefly and found her diary. One of many sick things I found in there, and one of multiple times when my entire future was put in jeopardy by a woman.

    My point is, you are severely underestimating women's power and desire to ruin men's lives, and you are a goddamn fool if you think it can't happen to you. It is happening every day, and it is becoming more and more the normal state of affairs. I'm not saying don't date or fuck any women at all ever, but I am saying limit your risk intelligently and appropriately. All it takes is one mentally unstable girl, one girl who is upset you didn't call her back, one girl who wants to get back with her boyfriend, and your future is gone. Keep playing with fire, and you WILL get burned, I promise you.


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