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    Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    A few thoughts on some things I've seen on this site.

    It occurred to me yesterday that MGTOW is but one of many consequences of the gynocentric America, and an outlier at that. We are still relatively unknown, and ofcourse suppressed at every turn. But we certainly aren't the only ones. It's all physics, as recently stated on another thread. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and I believe the "Tipping Point" was reached following the 2008 financial crisis. In the aftermath, the divorce rate spiked, as women went for the Monkey-Branch. All those divorcees flooded the internet, and the adoption of Redpill knowledge drastically accelerated. That's why it's gaining so much traction, so fast.

    As RPM said, MGTOW are primarily the White-Knights who walked away. We -were- all Bluepill at one time or another, and we've woken at different times in our lives, but overall we all seem to share that bitterness at having our faith shattered. First comes the Nihilism, then the Malaise, and eventually a somewhat Matter-of-Fact contentment.

    I'm quite sure it's cyclical, ranging back and forth at different times, for it absolutely matches what we know of animal Grief processing behaviour. But for all of that, it strikes me that we are going to be the most impactful of the Manosphere bunch. Consider that Chad is/was/and will be Chad for as long as he can maintain it. Sure, you see some washout here and there, but given the knowledge that a male's SMV can continue climbing into his 50's, and that awareness of this is accelerating over time; Chad-like behaviour is going to increase over time.

    Simply put, guys are becoming more and more aware that the "Fuckboy" mentality is what actually works in life. I've seen some pretty below-average guys utilize it to score, and I think that is nothing new. But the White-Knights are the ones who are walking away. So while young women will still pursue Chad as long as possible, the Dual-Mating strategy is taking the Big Hit, so to speak.

    For a quite comprehensive breakdown, try this. (Ofcourse it's a divorce-lawyer site, LOL!)

    https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-s...ics-and-facts/

    There's alot to be found in there. Dancers (who necessarily stay fit) have the highest divorce rate of 43%. The highest divorce rates per age is pretty universally between 40-49 years (after the kids are out, it would seem).

    From The Balance:

    Average Length of Marriage In the U.S.
    On average, the typical U.S. marriage that ends in divorce lasts just seven years.

    The average age for a couple going through a first divorce is 30 years old and 60% of divorces involve spouses who are between the ages of 25 and 39. Women are more likely to file for divorce than men and the divorce rate is highest for African-American women aged 50 to 59. Asian women between 25 and 29 years old are least likely to get divorced.

    The divorce rate for heterosexual couples is double that of same-sex couples. Among all couples 50 and older, the divorce rate has doubled over the last two decades.
    Considering that first marriages tend to last 7 years, and most "first marriages" divorce around age 30 (right around Wall time), that leaves a massive pool of guys who are going to be skipping the 2nd marriage after being through the meatgrinder. That's going to have a staggering impact on all those ladies looking for Chump #2. If early relationships don't cement the Redpill, then the first divorce sure as hell will.

    I was thinking, given their obsession with "social standing", and aversion to even a implication of being seen as "unable to get a man", women have been hiding these facts for decades. For them to even admit that men are hard to find (in a public sphere, such as those awesome Speed-dating collapses that we see here.) Women always "imply" things, so to see a flat-out admittance, such as by Charlize Theron, means they must be truly desperate at this point, and dancing around the Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. I recently saw a hair product commercial with a 40-ish women going to speed-dating (and ofcourse Prell is going land the 30-ish guy in the commercial) and that's on a channel that shows Westerns, primarily; so aimed at an older crowd.

    But they are still in denial, ofcourse.

    The problem simply CANNOT be them. It absolutely MUST be blamed on the "lowering quality of men" who nobody would want. It can't be them, as one 60+ landwhale displayed on an FB page recently.. Talking about how pathetic the "men" in Seattle were, because they wouldn't even make a first move... completely in denial that guys just don't fucking want her anymore. I saw a woman in a mini-van several months back, looked about 40, a youngish kid in the passenger seat, no ring on her finger; her face a mask of desperate worry. Obviously it's money problems, and it seems that there's no White-Knight on the way. Ever.

    Okay, so if the Dual-Mating strategy is what's breaking down, and the fact that it takes roughly 5-10 years of denial before a woman actually "gets it" (if ever.) That brings up another point. If MGTOW is naturally spreading amongst children now, as one post in the "Father's Day" thread on this site suggested; then here in about 10 years we're going to be seeing a large drop-off in "Nice-Guy" Simp behaviour. So the new crop of White-Knights is going to be winnowing over time. These guys will still be out there banging chicks, but in terms of "walking doormat" boys.. it's gonna get thin, and be decreasing as the Simps age.

    Going back to "social standing" and desperation. I saw a mainstream article wherein a woman in her mid-30's was saying she was open to dating divorced men (now) because at least she would know that he can commit. That's a massive difference from 2014, when many a woman's profile in the "mid-30's" range had kids, but expressly stated that they "weren't looking to be a mom to *his* kids".. cause women only care about their own, ofcourse. Again, since women always communicate through insinuation, for a blatant statement of that nature to make it to an online article is pretty revealing. They "hoping against hope" at this point, and it's accelerating Every. Single. Day.

    Finally, I was thinking about the "Mike Pence rule", recent avoidance of women by public figures and CEO's. Since sexual-harrassment cases are climbing, and those cases are usually never filed against Chad (whose advances are welcome), and older, more established men are tacitly avoiding women... the big targets of sexual-harrassment complaints are going to be Soy-Paladins in the future.

    While I was a Soy-Paladin when I worked at the state, I was also very reclusive, preferring to be alone due to my anxiety. I was so well known for avoiding all human contact that people no longer questioned my absence in the office. They knew for certain that I was there on the clock, cause the work was getting done... but somewhere else. Always somewhere else. Now that's ghosting. =)

    One (decidely false) allegation came from a relatively new hire, solid 8-girl who I never talked to, against a man who would talk to all women frequently. Her list of allegations stretched back for months, and frankly I would have seen them happening from my vantage point in the office. It was all lies. I have no doubt it would have been aimed at me, had I ever spoken to her; cause I was "the weirdo" in the office. But filing a claim against somebody who doesn't know your name, where your office is, or when you even got hired is pretty impossible.

    The Outrage-Industry and For-Profit Feminists are never going to let go of a cash-cow like Sexual Harrassment; no way, no how. #MeToo Redpilled a generation, and it wasn't the Fuckboys. So between Office-Chad (who makes women come to him) and Older Gents, who avoid women; the only viable-targets will be Bluepillers and Simps. Most of those who get hit will probably go MGTOW.

    That's why I expect only 5-10 years before "the Avoidance Crisis" to become a clarion-call for Feminists. We're going to be hearing about it, ALOT. It'll probably start hitting political ads before we know it, and given how histrionics sell papers, it'll be Everywhere. Chameleons will start coming out of the woodwork, and divorces will probably fall, because women will know that they likely won't have a 2nd chance. Lots of bargaining will be done, and possibly legislative efforts to both force interaction, and lessen the divorce penalities against men; all as an attempt to keep the money flowing.


    And hopefully, men will tell them to Eat Shit and Die.
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

    Abandon the Abandoners.

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    I see it coming to a head as well. Maybe not as soon as 5 years or so.....but not far off either.

    And I also see their behavior becoming worse...more accusative and more violent as their "I'm a special princess" world or privileged starts to accelerate and come unglued. When the realization of "No 2nd Chance" becomes more and more common , I think then we will see massive acts of desperation and possibly suicide growth rates explode as these women face reality .

    So yeah......eat shit and die...

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    DK, great statistics and insights, I especially want to focus on the 2008 crisis leading to a spiking divorce rate. While my marriage survived 2008, 2 friends of my Ex got divorced 2009-10 and tutored my Ex how to max out w/divorce. And don't forget misery loves company, those so called friends want friends to share that misery. 2008 was just the setup
    I think it will just take a minor recession to get the MGTOW boulder rolling. Credit availability since 2008 has drowned women in debt, who wants to marry one of those? Women were dangerous enough when one married them without previous debt, its a nightmare scenario now. Women are going to college in record numbers today because they are getting LOANS to pay all their tuition and living expenses. These loans cant be discharged. For the few women that get a good degree, they can work . But the bulk have degrees that are not worth the 50-150k needed to get them. Many probably are defering payment till they find some chump to help pay, which means a lot of accrued interest after she is done riding the cock carousel.
    This next generation of blue pill men wont just have to risk paying for their ex wives future fvcking via alimony, but in bondage for her past fvcking paying off her student loans and credit card debt

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    Interesting statistics (United States, 2018). Here's a few from that numbered list that stuck out at me:

    62. Women with 6 or more premarital sexual partners are almost 3 times less likely to be in a stable marriage.

    99. Over 46 percent of non-custodial mothers completely default on child support, compared to only 27 percent of non-custodial fathers.

    100. If a close friend gets divorced, you are 147% more likely to become divorced and 33% more likely if a friend of a friend is divorced.

    111. The nation’s 1.4 million divorces in 2002 are estimated to have cost the taxpayers more than $30 billion.
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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    Love the stats from Unboxxed, but I'm a little confused.

    100. If a close friend gets divorced, you are 147% more likely to become divorced and 33% more likely if a friend of a friend is divorced.
    147% more likely to be become divorced?

    I'm sorry if I'm displaying my ignorance but this just does not compute.

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    O.K. Just got it.

    If 4 out of 20 were previously getting divorced, now 10 out of 20 are.

    I've probably still got it wrong, statistics was never my strong point.

    Sorry for the question.

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    I didn't do the math to verify the numbers. They may be correct , it doesn't matter. What does matter is I can look around and see these statistics in everyday life.

    Here is an example of it from my viewpoint.

    * Friend and Neighbor Married 18 years splits from his baggage in July.
    * Another Friend of mine not acquainted with the Friend above, Breaks from His long term commitment
    the following April.
    * Sept. of the same year my years of affliction came to and abrupt halt.
    * Just learned the other day that another guy I have know for many years is now getting raked thru the
    Fire by his ball and chain.

    None of these are "young-20 30yo" people, Most are early mid 50's with me being the oldest just turning 60.

    All our stories are very similar. Met , married, Had successful jobs, Bought a Home and was generally happy and committed for the most part . We all worked our asses off to get somewhere and went overboard to please and satisfy the bitchy creatures we had married. Other than a few "toys" along the way, all our efforts were spent in trying to satisfy and please women who could and would change their minds at a moments notice.
    If you looked up the word "Blue-Pilled" in the dictionary you would've seen our pictures.

    Now these were all post wall bitches that had it made. Nice home for the most part,..nice car to ride around in....no requirements or excessive demands placed on them.
    But not a single one of them was content with what they had..... So what was it, A last cock carousel
    ride?

    My best Buds wife and mine, made the claim they were moving on with their life and searching for better.....really? Now I don't know about my Buddies old bag, but mine has taken up with some guy 10 years younger, over weight, never married, owns nothing but a piece of shit car... And works nite shift as a frigging security guard.
    So yeah mine has went on with life and found something better...LOL! I guess she can make him sit and beg, roll over and do tricks and never tell her ass NO.

    Haahaaa sorry That got a bit off topic....but I just needed to say it on this Beautiful Sunday Morning

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    A few thoughts on some things I've seen on this site.

    It occurred to me yesterday that MGTOW is but one of many consequences of the gynocentric America, and an outlier at that. We are still relatively unknown, and ofcourse suppressed at every turn. But we certainly aren't the only ones. It's all physics, as recently stated on another thread. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and I believe the "Tipping Point" was reached following the 2008 financial crisis. In the aftermath, the divorce rate spiked, as women went for the Monkey-Branch. All those divorcees flooded the internet, and the adoption of Redpill knowledge drastically accelerated. That's why it's gaining so much traction, so fast.

    As RPM said, MGTOW are primarily the White-Knights who walked away. We -were- all Bluepill at one time or another, and we've woken at different times in our lives, but overall we all seem to share that bitterness at having our faith shattered. First comes the Nihilism, then the Malaise, and eventually a somewhat Matter-of-Fact contentment.

    I'm quite sure it's cyclical, ranging back and forth at different times, for it absolutely matches what we know of animal Grief processing behaviour. But for all of that, it strikes me that we are going to be the most impactful of the Manosphere bunch. Consider that Chad is/was/and will be Chad for as long as he can maintain it. Sure, you see some washout here and there, but given the knowledge that a male's SMV can continue climbing into his 50's, and that awareness of this is accelerating over time; Chad-like behaviour is going to increase over time.

    Simply put, guys are becoming more and more aware that the "Fuckboy" mentality is what actually works in life. I've seen some pretty below-average guys utilize it to score, and I think that is nothing new. But the White-Knights are the ones who are walking away. So while young women will still pursue Chad as long as possible, the Dual-Mating strategy is taking the Big Hit, so to speak.

    For a quite comprehensive breakdown, try this. (Ofcourse it's a divorce-lawyer site, LOL!)

    https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-s...ics-and-facts/

    There's alot to be found in there. Dancers (who necessarily stay fit) have the highest divorce rate of 43%. The highest divorce rates per age is pretty universally between 40-49 years (after the kids are out, it would seem).

    From The Balance:



    Considering that first marriages tend to last 7 years, and most "first marriages" divorce around age 30 (right around Wall time), that leaves a massive pool of guys who are going to be skipping the 2nd marriage after being through the meatgrinder. That's going to have a staggering impact on all those ladies looking for Chump #2. If early relationships don't cement the Redpill, then the first divorce sure as hell will.

    I was thinking, given their obsession with "social standing", and aversion to even a implication of being seen as "unable to get a man", women have been hiding these facts for decades. For them to even admit that men are hard to find (in a public sphere, such as those awesome Speed-dating collapses that we see here.) Women always "imply" things, so to see a flat-out admittance, such as by Charlize Theron, means they must be truly desperate at this point, and dancing around the Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. I recently saw a hair product commercial with a 40-ish women going to speed-dating (and ofcourse Prell is going land the 30-ish guy in the commercial) and that's on a channel that shows Westerns, primarily; so aimed at an older crowd.

    But they are still in denial, ofcourse.

    The problem simply CANNOT be them. It absolutely MUST be blamed on the "lowering quality of men" who nobody would want. It can't be them, as one 60+ landwhale displayed on an FB page recently.. Talking about how pathetic the "men" in Seattle were, because they wouldn't even make a first move... completely in denial that guys just don't fucking want her anymore. I saw a woman in a mini-van several months back, looked about 40, a youngish kid in the passenger seat, no ring on her finger; her face a mask of desperate worry. Obviously it's money problems, and it seems that there's no White-Knight on the way. Ever.

    Okay, so if the Dual-Mating strategy is what's breaking down, and the fact that it takes roughly 5-10 years of denial before a woman actually "gets it" (if ever.) That brings up another point. If MGTOW is naturally spreading amongst children now, as one post in the "Father's Day" thread on this site suggested; then here in about 10 years we're going to be seeing a large drop-off in "Nice-Guy" Simp behaviour. So the new crop of White-Knights is going to be winnowing over time. These guys will still be out there banging chicks, but in terms of "walking doormat" boys.. it's gonna get thin, and be decreasing as the Simps age.

    Going back to "social standing" and desperation. I saw a mainstream article wherein a woman in her mid-30's was saying she was open to dating divorced men (now) because at least she would know that he can commit. That's a massive difference from 2014, when many a woman's profile in the "mid-30's" range had kids, but expressly stated that they "weren't looking to be a mom to *his* kids".. cause women only care about their own, ofcourse. Again, since women always communicate through insinuation, for a blatant statement of that nature to make it to an online article is pretty revealing. They "hoping against hope" at this point, and it's accelerating Every. Single. Day.

    Finally, I was thinking about the "Mike Pence rule", recent avoidance of women by public figures and CEO's. Since sexual-harrassment cases are climbing, and those cases are usually never filed against Chad (whose advances are welcome), and older, more established men are tacitly avoiding women... the big targets of sexual-harrassment complaints are going to be Soy-Paladins in the future.

    While I was a Soy-Paladin when I worked at the state, I was also very reclusive, preferring to be alone due to my anxiety. I was so well known for avoiding all human contact that people no longer questioned my absence in the office. They knew for certain that I was there on the clock, cause the work was getting done... but somewhere else. Always somewhere else. Now that's ghosting. =)

    One (decidely false) allegation came from a relatively new hire, solid 8-girl who I never talked to, against a man who would talk to all women frequently. Her list of allegations stretched back for months, and frankly I would have seen them happening from my vantage point in the office. It was all lies. I have no doubt it would have been aimed at me, had I ever spoken to her; cause I was "the weirdo" in the office. But filing a claim against somebody who doesn't know your name, where your office is, or when you even got hired is pretty impossible.

    The Outrage-Industry and For-Profit Feminists are never going to let go of a cash-cow like Sexual Harrassment; no way, no how. #MeToo Redpilled a generation, and it wasn't the Fuckboys. So between Office-Chad (who makes women come to him) and Older Gents, who avoid women; the only viable-targets will be Bluepillers and Simps. Most of those who get hit will probably go MGTOW.

    That's why I expect only 5-10 years before "the Avoidance Crisis" to become a clarion-call for Feminists. We're going to be hearing about it, ALOT. It'll probably start hitting political ads before we know it, and given how histrionics sell papers, it'll be Everywhere. Chameleons will start coming out of the woodwork, and divorces will probably fall, because women will know that they likely won't have a 2nd chance. Lots of bargaining will be done, and possibly legislative efforts to both force interaction, and lessen the divorce penalities against men; all as an attempt to keep the money flowing.


    And hopefully, men will tell them to Eat Shit and Die.
    That was fucking beautiful.......

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

    Let's just put it this way. Women are not going to withdraw or seek equilibrium or common ground. As they are 50% of the population and most of them are socialist, only a small percentage of males need to be simps, white-nights or cucks for them to continue to press for socialism. And for them, socialism means realization of their dual mating strategy and true tribalism. The thing is, they don't care WHO "beta" is, as long as bucks come from beta. As more and more men clamp the wallets shut and stop paying for Chad's kids, women will moreso need to have Big Daddy Gubmit as defacto father. He's the big Robin Hood who steals from the "rich" (people who work) and gives to the "poor" (women and people who don't). As entitled narcissists, their expectations of what they deserve will only go up, never plateau.

    On the other side, you have more men going MGTOW but our numbers are not necessarily the problem. The problem for our little wahmins is that Red Pill has gone mainstream and men across the entire population and across age, race, color, creed and income level have been woke. If just a 1/3 or even 1/4 of these men change their simping/cucking white-knight ways and start identifying the potential parasites in their lives, Big Daddy government is going to run out of mommy cash far faster than anticipated. We know jokes about bachelor taxes are not even funny anymore.

    So, my theory is that the gap will continue to widen. As the situation worsens, and women become more tribal, more deplorable and more entitled, the men will continue to withdraw. And the men will continue to be blamed for everything.

    Feminism in North America was a massive shit-test of the men, and men - collectively - failed. Now, women have gone their natural way - feral, and tribal. And we have (finally) wised up and realized that we need to go our own way. Many say we're the male version of feminism. No, we're a logical reaction to a completely irrational and destructive force. We men are like that - logical and rational.

    Whether we come out on top of this gender war or not, at least we'll have our sanity!
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Men will know the exact day we became a threat to the gynocentric society. It will be the day when a law is passed that prohibits men from saying the word 'no.' When men use that word, we are denying someone of resources, or we are oppressing them, or we are acting as subversive elements. Our resources are what makes the system work, our labor creates comfort and security for others and our participation (read sacrifice) is needed to keep others 'strong and independent.' Men's sovereignty is the greatest threat to the gyno-society. And that hinges on the one word.

    Right now, men are losing the piecemeal battle to use the word 'no.' Look at the laws and rulings of the family courts, the domestic violence industry, the sexual extortion racket, social media lynchings, etc. All of these are chipping away at men's capacity to say no. Resources will be extracted by garnishment, participation will be forced, and men will be silenced.

    Sadly, the gyno-society will not stop with no. Their goal is to remove all agency from men, through dehumanization or outright destruction. The only rational counter for men is to go their own way as best they can.

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    Re: Redpill and MGTOW acceleration...

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    Sadly, the gyno-society will not stop with no. Their goal is to remove all agency from men, through dehumanization or outright destruction. The only rational counter for men is to go their own way as best they can.

    Or,.... we grow our ancestral balls back...rise up and put a stop to ALL this femi-modern shit!

    yeah... I know a pipe dream for now, but the day shall come gents!


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