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    There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    From what I've experienced so far women make attraction choices at total randomness. What I mean is that a woman within the first few seconds of meeting you will either put you into "fuckable" or "non fuckable" boxes. If she puts you as "non fuckable" there is NOTHING you can do to convince her otherwise. Of course if you are rich she will pretend to be attracted to you but withhold sex until she can leech everything she can from you totally destroying the relationship in the process. Now the interesting part is the "fuckable" box.

    You would think that a woman seeing you as a potential mate would grand you instant access to her....nope. Instead she deliberately hides any clue that would betray her attractiveness to you(unless you are extremely good looking) and you have to guess every step and read her mind to figure out where you stand. This is the only place the concept of SMV applies. They will put all the "fuckable" candidates in their reserve zone giving them priority according to how much attractive they think they are constantly changing candidates back and forth according to what their crazy neuroticism tells them to do. Of course all this bullshit can and will tire them and they will just get drunk and pick some random guy from a bar to fuck.

    My point is you cannot change the number of available women by increasing your "attractiveness". You can change the quality or who is attracted to you , but never the number. You can even have plastic surgery(lol) and a woman that placed you in the "non fuckable" box won't be attracted. By increasing your attractiveness you only increase your priority among the women who think that you are fuckable from the start.

    The interesting part is because women make these decisions at random, they often have difficulty judging their looks, status, whatever, compared to yours. What matters is social proofing. They will completely abandon their own "type" of guy or any standards and preferences about looks/personality/status whatever they like and get attracted to you when they see that other women want you as well(something to do with their damaged ego?). Part of this fucked-upness is that your chances at online dating are almost zero. They think that if you are online and trying to hook up with them , that you're a total loser because you cannot get anyone else. Doubly so if you're the first one to initiate the conversation. That makes the whole online concept a big scam , with almost a very few men that get laid sometimes and even then women think of them as total losers(despite them being very attractive).

    Another nice fact is that from the moment you meet and date a new woman two great things happen. The first one is that she has already began screening and accepting applications from other men to find your replacement , which of course she won't admit , and when she does you're gone. The second nice part is that you have to be a dancing monkey all the time trying to entertaint her and not "bore" her. The interesting thing is that no matter what you do , each time she is exposed to you , your charms fade. This means that the relationship is always time limited. The point reaches that she is immune to your charms and then the fucked-upness will begin. If she hasn't cheated already by that point , she will , without a second thought. Then she will kick your ass out the door or will first completely destroy you(either by disrespecting you or with making your life a living dramatic hell). Once you're out , it's like you never existed to them. They don't even care if you die the next day(how fucked up is that?).

    This certainly isn't natural. It's not natural to spread yourself amongst many women in order to keep them interested in you while they're afraid that the competition might steal you away. Nor is it natural that the moment you commit to her she rushes the process of finding your replacement. They only care about the "infatuation" stage of any relationship they're in. Bonding,loving,caring,trust,loyalty means NOTHING to them. They are unable to grasp that a relationship has more stages than the first one(unless they want to get their hands in your money, but that's another story).

    Sadly, I've been burned many times to realise that THERE'S NO CHANGING WOMEN. I've accepted that the only way the see most men are as disposable toys(and not human beings) to vent their lusts and dispose them when something better comes along the way. Meanwhile, they're shopping for "Mr.Right". Mr.Right happens to be some weak willed human being with a fat wallet , which they plan to feed of by divorcing him. All that before even meeting the guy.

    That is the sad reality of the dating scene.
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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Bonding,loving,caring,trust,loyalty means NOTHING to them. They are unable to grasp that a relationship has more stages than the first one(unless they want to get their hands in your money, but that's another story).
    when has 'bonding' 'love' meant anything to anyone at anytime throughout human history? The reality is these are just concepts made by humans.

    Sadly, I've been burned many times to realise that THERE'S NO CHANGING WOMEN. I've accepted that the only way the see most men are as disposable toys(and not human beings) to vent their lusts and dispose them when something better comes along the way.
    Why can't women be changed? Maybe they can, but if they can't, shouldn't they still be held accountable for using men as a slaves? I hold females accountable all the time in both public and private affairs. I couldn't care if they change or could not change, you still hold them accountable regardless.

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    "when has 'bonding' 'love' meant anything to anyone at anytime throughout human history? The reality is these are just concepts made by humans."

    It certainly means to me for starts. You see I see all the women I've been with as human beings and not as objects. Certainly after the infatuation stage(the stage where the intense emotions calm down) I "love" them. In the traditional way of unconditional love. They certainly cannot do that . And they certainly engage is nasty acts to punish me each time I care for them. Most men I know have had these feelings for a woman. None of the women I've known had any of them for a man.

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    You see I see all the women I've been with as human beings and not as objects.
    I don't know why you are assuming that I am objectifying women by mentioning that they don't care for 'bonding' 'love' . It has been proved by evolutionary biology that such notions are simply fancy, elaborate (and you could say praiseworthy) endeavours to 'beautify' the romance between the two genders. But in actuality it is crude genetic selection criteria (albeit unconscious).

    They certainly cannot do that
    Dunno, there have been women who have really cared for me, and yet I treated them badly... so... I don't think this is a gendered issue. I don't understand this notion of 'love', it makes no sense to me, so am I an outlier? Or have I gotten rid of the social programming?

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    They certainly cannot do that

    The reason they "cared" for you is because you treated them like crap. A behavior they certainly love because it matches their own(probably because they're so narcissistic and self absorbed they can only admire someone who resembles them). Try changing your bad behavior into a loving one and see that their "love" goes out the window real fast. Also their "care" for you is ALWAYS time limited(too bad it also ain't real, lol).

    Also while I hold evolution a bit accountable , I see it as an excuse for many to use because the "problem" with women is getting stronger. Same way some dating coach assholes that claim men are needy and should expect less from women the same way some dreck that attempts to explain what women are doing as a function of some leftover instincts from our evolution. Since it’s hardwired, you can’t do anything about it and just have to accept your lot in life.

    Unfortunately for us, our behaviours aren't hard wired like those of many animals. Humans have free will. Most of what we are is transmitted from person to person when we raise children. All you need to do to know this is so, is to look at what happens when people refuse to raise their children. The children grow up feral. Most of the parts are there. But they aren't working right. Something of that child's basic humanity is missing. Sometimes, it is something quite large that is missing.Yes, there are biological differences. They pale in comparison to the socialized differences. But, men and women were designed to be together. This shit wasn't always like that. Women and man lived for a loooooong time relatively harmoniously. Working hard to survive , thrive and most importantly pass that to the next generation.

    Another reason women love bad behavior is that they’ve seen their mother kick out their father and spend time with every loser on the planet, so they think that’s what a successful man is all about. An unsuccessful man was their father who wanted to stay but was forced away and probably victimized financially by mom (ie he’s powerless, a loser, a failure).
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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    I have 38 years of dating under my belt with 2 marriages, and I can say confidently it is an art not a science. I don't think you peg women so objectively, they are too chaotic with values and desires that change. A Beta provider(like I was) if he works hard enough can find a woman that will deeply care for him. But that caring is very CONDITIONAL. My last marriage was 23 years, and for the first 15 years, I felt that caring and love. For the next 5 years, the marriage was more of a business partnership with benefits. The last 3 years was the setup for her to exit the partnership with maximum gain. With the State at her side, no fault divorce, kids grown, and friends that already knew the system and wanted her to be divorced like they were, she concluded I was disposable. The prior 23 years of being treated VERY well, didn't mean a thing

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    That's because it’s very difficult to come to terms with how quickly an important relationship (important to you, not to her) evaporates. It’s happened to me. It’s happened to a lot of guys . She never cared for you. It was all an act on her part. The moment you slipped the ring on her finger she was planning the divorce. Their attraction to you has a time limit(few months to couple of years), after that they don't give a fuck about you. And certainly having kids or being married won't stop her sleeping behind your back. The moment you accept her into living with you , the downfall begins.

    The thing is they can and will leave any man without a second thought, as if you two were never together. They never bother to develop deep feelings for you even though they do everything in their power to make you have for them.

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy_chad View Post
    That's because it’s very difficult to come to terms with how quickly an important relationship (important to you, not to her) evaporates. It’s happened to me. It’s happened to a lot of guys . She never cared for you. It was all an act on her part. The moment you slipped the ring on her finger she was planning the divorce. Their attraction to you has a time limit(few months to couple of years), after that they don't give a fuck about you. And certainly having kids or being married won't stop her sleeping behind your back. The moment you accept her into living with you , the downfall begins.

    The thing is they can and will leave any man without a second thought, as if you two were never together. They never bother to develop deep feelings for you even though they do everything in their power to make you have for them.
    I would say that she did love me the best she could under the framework of culture and society we live in. Here is a great video resource that helped me understand


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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    So women will fuck a Chad in a club washroom or in your bedroom while you're at work. But, she'll make her "boyfriend" jump through 1000 hoops and 1000 mind games.

    Female nature.

    (shrug).

    Accept it and move on or play the game and go crazy.

    For me, it's a no brainer.
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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    It's not random. They judge you by your clothes.

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Hypergamy . Both males and females only really like genetically superior others . But as soon as someone sees you like him or her they start playing with you and dont really care .

    ( remember usually girls genetically way bellow you chased you and you couldnt care for them even if you wanted )

    Thats why women do not show that they want sex too . Because they wouldnt get freebies if men knew. They try to get even alphas to wine and dine them . And protect .
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    So women will fuck a Chad in a club washroom or in your bedroom while you're at work. But, she'll make her "boyfriend" jump through 1000 hoops and 1000 mind games.

    Female nature.

    (shrug).

    Accept it and move on or play the game and go crazy.

    For me, it's a no brainer.
    A friend of mine had this girl drive over to him for the night. He hadn't taken her on any dates or courted in any way. Later he found out that another guy had been paying her home renovations, clothes shopping for her kids, and picking them up from school.

    The guy that made zero effort was the one that was given her attention...
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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Women want what they want and that's that. Don't try to find reason in estrogen fueled gina tingles, it only leads to insanity. They are pure opportunists and don't operate on any pattern or principle. I've seen virgin 9s go for fat lowlife criminals but also beta soyboys. Sweet feminine girls picking autistic shitlords, clingy blue pill manlets, NEET losers, wannabe thug tryhards. On a personal level, you can be ignored by a 6 but get "fuck me" eyes from a 9 on the same day. Some girls will like you no matter what you do, some won't. That's also the reason TRP is a joke. Putting more effort into courting is never the answer.
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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    TRP dating advice is a joke for the simple fact that by raising your ďsmvĒ you wonít raise your options . Nothing can make you choose which women you want (the only exception might be social proof from other hot women or fame) . The self improvement advice is neat though. However women go for total random men including betas , ugly men , losers(they go for them more than the rest). In fact the times I got the most laid with random chicks was when in college in which I was a broke dude that dressed as a slob . I didnít have my choice , but many choose me . I was just social af . And Iíve seen everything . Thatís another reason Married red pill wonít work . Guys simply cannot accept that attraction is time limited and not in your hands to control.
    They will cheat and they will leave . No matter how high you are in the pecking order.

    Also I have been ignored by ugly chicks and got the fuck eyes from 9s. One of those 9s was responsible for my trip to the mgtow journey .
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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    A friend of mine had this girl drive over to him for the night. He hadn't taken her on any dates or courted in any way. Later he found out that another guy had been paying her home renovations, clothes shopping for her kids, and picking them up from school.

    The guy that made zero effort was the one that was given her attention...
    Yep ! The guy was awww cute to her and that it . You need nothing more .

    We keep telling that girls want chads only but there is this other thing . Not all girls feel good with chads and they find it way better to be just with a cute guy .

    Everything is simple but not that simple
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Yep ! The guy was awww cute to her and that it . You need nothing more .

    We keep telling that girls want chads only but there is this other thing . Not all girls feel good with chads and they find it way better to be just with a cute guy .

    Everything is simple but not that simple
    Hahahaha there is no Chad thing . It's an internet thing. You will notice the randomness of woman's attraction if you go out there. One of my good friends right now is with a woman that is way higher than him in the "SMV" . She has an instagram with thousands of followers and rejected a Chad that was 6'3 and shreded with the excuse that he had untrained legs. She went for my friend who is 5'7 , has crown baldness , skinnyfat and works at a shitty job. You can exhaust yourself trying to reach women's standards only to realise they are totally random.

    Btw my friend although blue pill , tolerates non of her shit and puts her in her place when she misbehaves.

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Your claim that a single example of a woman not engaging in hypergamy somehow disproves that hypergamy exists is nothing more than a rehash of the NAWALT argument. Furthermore your post is thinly disguised shaming language insinuating that other forum member are a bunch of basement dwellers who have no life outside the forum. For all your Chad pretensions, your sentiments are still on the blue pill plantation. "It's all you men's fault, not women's fault."

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Your claim that a single example of a woman not engaging in hypergamy somehow disproves that hypergamy exists is nothing more than a rehash of the NAWALT argument. Furthermore your post is thinly disguised shaming language insinuating that other forum member are a bunch of basement dwellers who have no life outside the forum. For all your Chad pretensions, your sentiments are still on the blue pill plantation. "It's all you men's fault, not women's fault."
    I could list a thousand examples but I just chose one.

    Take a look around you man(and not in the internet or dating scam apps, go outside). All these handsome,powerful,rich,educated men are IGNORED or MANIPULATED by women. Low life thugs , scumbags, drug dealers are having more and more women. Are these men powerful? Absolutely not. That’s why they stab you in the back but wouldn’t dare face you man to man. It’s also why they are complete failures in life…..they are weak beyond belief.

    Hypergamy is the way things SHOULD be.Want a hot, high status, young, fertile woman? Then go to the gym until your body looks like a model’s, wear expensive fashionable clothes, and get a high-paying, high-status job where you are the boss. Sounds great. Those are all things a powerful, motivated man can and usually will do. There is a problem though. IT DOESN’T WORK. Women don’t give priority to men like that. They say they do, but their behavior doesn’t match up with this. You’ll get more play as a dirty, dishevelled member of a rock band that is going nowhere fast or as a drug dealer. Even the women that do go for the man with money are only looking to exploit him. They don’t want him, they want his money.
    Women are engaging in self destructive behavior. To have multiple partners is not alpha male. Alpha males picked the best woman they could and paired for life. The multiple partner gig is omega male behavior. And women prefer losers not alpha males.

    Imagine, if you will, men ignoring Megan Fox or the girls from the Victoria Secret catalogue…..indeed, treating them like pathetic losers. All the while, chasing after crack addicts, combat boot wearing lesbians, and other women with bad BO and a bullet hole or two. And then, after reaching age 60 or so, doing Megan Fox a favour by going out on a date with her, but only because you know she has money.

    That's what women do today. It's sick. And they're crazy.

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Why do you assume that I, and everyone else on this forum who has presented an opposing view have no life experience outside of the internet. There are numerous accounts by other posters on this forum of their real life experiences which refute your claims. Why do you assume their experiences are so invalid so as to be dismissed out of hand, yet your individual experience is somehow widely applicable?

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    Re: There is no pattern to a females attraction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    A friend of mine had this girl drive over to him for the night. He hadn't taken her on any dates or courted in any way. Later he found out that another guy had been paying her home renovations, clothes shopping for her kids, and picking them up from school.

    The guy that made zero effort was the one that was given her attention...
    Of course. Many women have "multiple guys" like that. A guy for everything. Bouncers letting them into the best clubs, guys who can fix cars, guys with money to pay for home renos and bills, guys who are "nice" to date - they have good taste in high-buck restaurants. Then, they'll have a revolving door of Chad Cock. These b1tches have men like keys on a ring, where each key gets them some sort of resource. I was a "key on a gals ring" once. I dropped that shit like it was hot.
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    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...


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