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    Is "Your Path" Unconventional?

    Good afternoon brothers.

    I was just pondering on a topic that has seemed interesting to me lately. Is "your path" unconventional?

    What I mean by this question is do people who happen to be so lucky as to have a job that requires so little effort that you can actually focus on your hobbies "path" on the job site and get paid for it. Is "your path" unconventional?

    I happen to not be interested in a great many things but one of the things I'm interested in is building my body in ways that don't conform to that status quo. I am currently practicing "Convict Conditioning". If anyone is familiar, you can train anywhere. Even at my job I am able to train.

    What if you don't have any really lofty goals right now that cost a lot of money so you can in a sense, get corporate sponsorship for your path. If your path isn't something that requires a lot of money or equipment, would you stay in a pointless job that is meaningless to you so long as you get to practice your craft?

    Currently I am content where I work not so much as the job is meaningful in any way to me but if currently allows me to practice my exercise program and get paid.

    I am not sure if this "path" will be the same in a few years but I do know I will never retreat from minimalistic principles so I may stick with easy jobs just to put food on the table. I'll only work as hard as I have to. Being content with what you have is a virtue.

    My path as of right now is "unconventional". I am wondering if anyone here has had similar experiences or any thoughts about what I posted on this topic.
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    I will never retreat from minimalistic principles so I may stick with easy jobs just to put food on the table. I'll only work as hard as I have to. Being content with what you have is a virtue.
    For about a 15 year period of my life I was Yuppie scum. Totally hell bent on earning the almighty dollar. Living that upwardly mobile lifestyle as they called it then. Did pretty damn well at it to. I was good at being scum.

    Then I slowly realized it was all bullshit. A trap. The golden handcuffs as I often referred to it. The big house came with big payments. So did the nice cars. Go figure. I realized one day it wasn't that shit that made me happy. It was just a way to show off to others how well I was doing.

    What I really wanted from life was my time and my freedom from the golden handcuffs. I grasped the concept of less is more real quick. That it was actually very little I needed to be happy. The rest of the stuff around me was really holding me back. Tying me down to earning a buck instead of living a good life.

    So I shifted my life focus and energy to freeing my self up. Down sizing my lifestyle. I was married to my last wife at the time I chose this path. It's been said here that a woman can NEVER back down her lifestyle. The resistance of her to do so was almost as great as her resistance to financially contribute to maintaining that large life. She wanted it all, but wanted me to pay for it all. Had some absolutely hysterical and insane ways to justify that outlook when we would discuss her unwillingness to tow her end of the load.

    I divorced her when I caught her cheating. Had to part with 1/2 of my Yuppie scum earned assets to her. Scum goes to scum it seems. Quite fitting. I was then free to evolve. I did not have her poisonous attitude and leech ways to deal with any more. I was financially ruined yet free in ways I never dreamed.

    I now have a tiny paid up house. My hobby shop garage areas are almost more square footage than my home. I have zero debt. I just went down to part time at work. 20hrs a week for me now. I have a mindless bullshit job. I spend most of my time planning my hobby projects at work. I get home, walk in and change clothes, and go right out to my shop and get involved totally in what makes me happy.

    I guard my time with a passion. It's all about me. I am very careful in what I will commit to unless it's what I want to do for me. It truly is me first in most situations now. I do give my time to help others and friends. I just stay very aware of how much of my time I commit to others. I enjoy helping them with house hold projects etc. to help them save money and for the fun of working with them.

    I paid a huge financial price to learn these lessons and have this freedom. Some lessons I learned on my own. Some lessons were rammed up my ass during my divorce and it's aftermath. Either way both lesson types made it to my brain.

    I am extremely grateful for what modest things I have now post divorce. Truth be told I have never had as much satisfaction in life as I do now. It took some self realization and a divorce from a BPD wife to get me here. What a long strange trip it's been.

    May your unconventional path take you to what you want in life. Without the trauma I had to get there.
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    Im bumping up this thread .

    Cause i live an unconventional life and i do something that would suit this thread .

    But i just feel too good at the moment to post anything that wouldnt be clouded by this amazing feeling of natural high .

    So i will probably post later
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    +O.G....

    That was quite the story that you told and thank you for sharing it.

    I guess I posted this original post because I was thinking yesterday while I'm at my mindless job as to why am I doing this. I know that this job is nothing to get passionate about and it's a thankless job. It is considered a "decent job" ($30k a year...yeah). I should be ecstatic at having a job that pays that much in 2018 according to conventional wisdom.

    There are easily more jobs that pay a bunch more with more overtime but I know I would despise those jobs. I only tolerate this job because I use it to finance my hobby.

    You mentioned O.G. that you took a 20hour a week bullshit job. I think that is the best thing ever because it frees up your time to do what you want. Hopefully I'll be able to drop my hours like that someday.

    I have been thinking back to one of huMAN's videos. (If you aren't familiar with huMAN, I think he produces thought provoking content.) He mentioned something about becoming a barista at Starbucks simply because you enjoy it even though it would pay like shit.

    Why must we as men chase the almighty dollar? I am no longer going to work any more or harder than needed to finance the lifestyle I want. If my house became destroyed or broken in to, I don't even think I would care right now because there is nothing but stuff. Stuff is meaningless except the meaning you provide it.

    I feel a sense of happiness knowing that I've metaphorically giving rampant consumerism the "middle-finger". I still buy things of course but base it solely on things that add value. I will now contemplate on every purchase and ask myself if this item is worth (insert dollar amount) of my time. It will be something that I struggle with but I will try my hardest.

    Since doing "Convict Conditioning", I realized that I can look really good using nothing more than a pull-up bar. I don't need gym equipment to do it. That is liberating to know that if I lose everything, I can do the thing that makes me happy. There is no one that can take that from me.

    My thoughts are a bit all over the place but this is therapeutic to me. I hope what I'm posting makes some sense.
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    Re: Is "Your Path" Unconventional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Im bumping up this thread .

    Cause i live an unconventional life and i do something that would suit this thread .

    But i just feel too good at the moment to post anything that wouldnt be clouded by this amazing feeling of natural high .

    So i will probably post later
    This is an interesting subject to me so I am looking forward to your post.
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    Re: Is "Your Path" Unconventional?

    I would put a different spin on this if I may.

    Nothing that follows nature can be unconventional. Nature and evolution provide us men with what we need to survive and thrive. If you follow your nature in life, be it work or other pursuits, then you have found your goals. No one can judge you for your path.

    There is no unconventionality in freedom of thought and action - the result being paths taken by a man in pursuit of his own life's goals.

    A man is free or he is not -there is no middle ground. That is why all the cultural, political, social, and religious institutions keeping men chained to jobs and families did not last - they are short-term aberrations against our nature, against biology and fundamentally against men's survival.

    Females are unconventional as they have no real purpose than to provide the human species with continuity.
    Other than that one function, females live as parasites and are never free - which is biologically unsustainable within the process of evolution. Nature does not make mistakes in evolution - it simply removes the weak links.

    Nature will eventually correct this anomaly. When the one evolutionary purpose of females is made redundant, this will - by necessity - end the female of the human species. In this respect - the future is much nearer than we may think.
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    Re: Is "Your Path" Unconventional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yumbo View Post
    I would put a different spin on this if I may.

    Nothing that follows nature can be unconventional. Nature and evolution provide us men with what we need to survive and thrive. If you follow your nature in life, be it work or other pursuits, then you have found your goals. No one can judge you for your path. There is no unconventionality in freedom of thought and action - the result being paths taken by a man in pursuit of his own life's goals.

    MGTOW is a necessity being natural and complete. requiring no external agents for fulfillment of an individual's needs. It is only when a man discards the mantle of nature that the threat of his extinction becomes very real indeed.

    Conversely what is against nature and biology is an unconventional construct and cannot last.
    That is why all the cultural, political, social, and religious edifices acting as chains to keep men fettered to jobs and families did not work - they are short-term aberrations against our inner male nature, against biology and fundamentally against men's survival as a free agent.

    Females are unconventional as they have no real purpose than to provide the human species with continuity.
    Other than that one function, females live as parasites and are never free - which is biologically unsustainable within the process of evolution. Nature does not make mistakes in evolution - it simply removes the weak links.


    Nature will correct this weak link. When the one evolutionary purpose of females is made redundant, this will - by necessity - end the female of the human species. In this respect - the future is much nearer than we may think.
    Sorry for off topic but - males are the weak link . And its being removed right here , right now .

    Human species ( yawn ) needs just one male and a bunch of females to keep going
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    Re: Is "Your Path" Unconventional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yumbo View Post
    Nature will correct this weak link. When the one evolutionary purpose of females is made redundant, this will - by necessity - end the female of the human species. In this respect - the future is much nearer than we may think.
    \

    I'm really hoping that we can break out of the cycle of the collapsing and rebuilding of society through transhumanism. I think that overcoming biological limitations would be a great thing.

    I like the perspective that you took on viewing my original post. It is something for me to reflect on. What you said makes me think that we should just view and use women as "baby-making machines" because they are not much good at else. They are unneeded besides their ability to gestate a kid.

    My thoughts of having an "unconventional" path seemed to come from wondering if any others just work a bullshit, meaningless job simply because you can practice your hobbies on the job. My hobby of bodyweight training and self reflection doesn't make others take notice so I'm able to do it under the radar. Do any others have corporately, financed leisure because their hobbies are not expensive?

    Sometimes I have visions of myself wandering the countryside with nothing but a rucksack. I will eat when I'm hungry and sleep when I'm tired. Because I can train anywhere with bodyweight training, I require no equipment. Sometimes I wish I could be like Ryu from Street Fighter because he is a wanderer who is constantly seeking the next challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    +O.G....

    That was quite the story that you told and thank you for sharing it.

    I guess I posted this original post because I was thinking yesterday while I'm at my mindless job as to why am I doing this. I know that this job is nothing to get passionate about and it's a thankless job. It is considered a "decent job" ($30k a year...yeah). I should be ecstatic at having a job that pays that much in 2018 according to conventional wisdom.

    There are easily more jobs that pay a bunch more with more overtime but I know I would despise those jobs. I only tolerate this job because I use it to finance my hobby.

    You mentioned O.G. that you took a 20hour a week bullshit job. I think that is the best thing ever because it frees up your time to do what you want. Hopefully I'll be able to drop my hours like that someday.

    I have been thinking back to one of huMAN's videos. (If you aren't familiar with huMAN, I think he produces thought provoking content.) He mentioned something about becoming a barista at Starbucks simply because you enjoy it even though it would pay like shit.

    Why must we as men chase the almighty dollar? I am no longer going to work any more or harder than needed to finance the lifestyle I want. If my house became destroyed or broken in to, I don't even think I would care right now because there is nothing but stuff. Stuff is meaningless except the meaning you provide it.

    I feel a sense of happiness knowing that I've metaphorically giving rampant consumerism the "middle-finger". I still buy things of course but base it solely on things that add value. I will now contemplate on every purchase and ask myself if this item is worth (insert dollar amount) of my time. It will be something that I struggle with but I will try my hardest.

    Since doing "Convict Conditioning", I realized that I can look really good using nothing more than a pull-up bar. I don't need gym equipment to do it. That is liberating to know that if I lose everything, I can do the thing that makes me happy. There is no one that can take that from me.

    My thoughts are a bit all over the place but this is therapeutic to me. I hope what I'm posting makes some sense.
    This is precisely my thoughts about shadow boxing to the letter ...


    ( i dont need to explain myself to anyone how much i bench press or how many pull ups i do ... because im not a competitive athlete = i do it to feel good )

    Working out to impress other people is the same as buying a car you cant really afford , a soon to be dead roider or a son of a billionaire will have it better . You will only die trying .


    That is why i am hesitant to post because it is just simple little things . And only my take on things . LOL only my asshole
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    This is precisely my thoughts about shadow boxing to the letter ...


    ( i dont need to explain myself to anyone how much i bench press or how many pull ups i do ... because im not a competitive athlete = i do it to feel good )

    Working out to impress other people is the same as buying a car you cant really afford , a soon to be dead roider or a son of a billionaire will have it better . You will only die trying .


    That is why i am hesitant to post because it is just simple little things . And only my take on things . LOL only my asshole
    Is there a number on your forehead that says that you bench press 225lbs or what-have-you? Does it really matter?

    Unless you are competing in powerlifting, what does it matter "how much do ya' bench". You could get much better results anyways by using 185lb on the bench press and focusing on a slow eccentric, a pause at the bottom, and an explosive concentric. Doing the exercise properly with less weight will yield much better results.

    Working out to impress other people is pointless too but I must admit that I started out with very superficial reasons for doing so. I wanted to be big and loved the attention. I still do but to a much lesser extent. I now train more for meditative purposes focusing more on strength and function and less on aesthetics.

    Doing what you want to do and everyone else be damned is what a man going his own way should be doing.
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    Great post O. G. I never qualified for yuppie scum, thought I did ok for a wage slave.

    The jobs I remember without gagging are the ones that had a lot of freedom. Lots and lots of freedom. The more the better, though this nearly burned me a few times. I had two great jobs, though they always came with a price. For a working stiff in the pacific northwest, that usually meant tons of rain in the winter, and going home tired and dirty. I wore out a lot of boots, and my legs too, before it was over. But you'd be surprised how few visitors you see on a rainy day.

    A low rank government jobs not for everybody. Most are cubicle hell, like as not. But being a tree farmer for Smokey Bear, I was out of the office and on my own most of the time. Sure I had to do the work, but since I could be counted on to accomplish the acres, nobody questioned how long it took or how hard I tried. I got away with murder after learning how the system works.

    Low rank hell or not, there's one place the governments got the private sector beat all to hell. That's days spent at work. What's the big deal, it's all forty hours a week? You wish.

    With nine years seniority in the sawmill, I had 52 weekends off, 6 holidays and 2 weeks vacation for a total of 120 days not at work. 33% according to my calculator.15 years in with Smokey Bear, I had the same 52 weekends, plus 11 holidays (five that no one else gets.) Plus 13 days sick leave, plus 26 days annual leave, that means I could of stayed home 154 days, or 42% of the year. If your department is willing to let you work ten hour days it gets even better. Working four days a week, you would be home for 56% of the year. Quite a bump, considering all three jobs were 40 hour a week.
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    Re: Is "Your Path" Unconventional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    Is there a number on your forehead that says that you bench press 225lbs or what-have-you? Does it really matter?

    Unless you are competing in powerlifting, what does it matter "how much do ya' bench". You could get much better results anyways by using 185lb on the bench press and focusing on a slow eccentric, a pause at the bottom, and an explosive concentric. Doing the exercise properly with less weight will yield much better results.

    Working out to impress other people is pointless too but I must admit that I started out with very superficial reasons for doing so. I wanted to be big and loved the attention. I still do but to a much lesser extent. I now train more for meditative purposes focusing more on strength and function and less on aesthetics.

    Doing what you want to do and everyone else be damned is what a man going his own way should be doing.
    All truth !


    LOL at superficial reasons same here it is just normal but now i know that the stuff im training for would have gotten me killed more than once they would just shoot me in the head and walk away .

    Its normal you only learn to really fight by the time there is no one left to fight . And the ones that are left you better run from .
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    Re: Is "Your Path" Unconventional?

    I have done unconventional work but I also consider this type of arrangement for work normal or the new normal in the gig economy.

    I have worked min wage jobs where I have been able to work as a side gig while professionally working in stem par time. I have found the best combination for me is to split up work between two entirely different industries as it keeps you from being stuck in a rut. Also gives better flexibility and job security along with the perk where you are not stuck with a project that requires over time or working extra hours at home. And since you are a part timer for both gigs you are not tied up with these extra time obligations with no pay compensation. Obvious downside is a lack of benefits that full timers enjoy but if you save properly that can be off set.

    Working a few days in job 1 and working a few days in job 2 means also that you can easily apply to take the entire week off from job 1 and job 2 because both employers for job 1 and 2 can cover for a few days respectively with your absence. That is one way to squeeze out a week long vacation for those stuck working multiple jobs and haven't worked long enough for either company to have full vacation week off.

    Another way is to work 60 hours per week six months of the new year and then take a month long vacation midway. Then return to work part time for the remaining five months of late summer fall/winter months working less hours. This works psychologically, because during the spring and summer months in the Northern hemisphere you have more day time, so even working long shifts allows you to still have free time to enjoy during the evening or early morning. And during the fall/winter in the Northern hemisphere you work less so you can enjoy the fewer hours of daylight and gain more sleep to produce melanin which counters stress. Your body needs sunlight and sleep to counter stress but also increase your productivity.

    Mathematically the sweet point for working enough hours relative to pay to pay bills and to save a lot of money is probably around 35 hours IMO. I have done 60 hour marathons over six month periods and 20 hour work weeks. I think 35 hours is the ideal in that it doesn't eat up too much of your day while still having enough money to pay bills, pay down debt or save 20% or more of income.

    Full time gigs are good if they have good benefits. Any time I am offered a full time gig and the benefits are not there I don't see the value and while pay can be a factor. But pay isn't going to give back your time lost. Only reason to grind hard with good pay is that you want to retire early aka in your 40s or 50s. Of course I have discussed with others that their strategy is to invest but still work part time (eg 20 hours) with no intent to retire ever.

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    I will now contemplate on every purchase and ask myself if this item is worth (insert dollar amount) of my time.
    With this line above, you have proven yourself about as unconventional as can be in todays society. I have used that basic line to review every dollar I spend. For quite some time. I am not cheap. I am high value, high leverage driven with my money. I view most everything with how long at work will it take me to earn back these dollars I'm spending here.

    Since I hate working to make my BILLIONaire boss wealthier, I really dislike work. I negotiate the most I can make, with maximum benefits to me, for the least amount of time I can be there. It's why when I went part time I still work 20hrs a week. I get to keep my 3 weeks paid vacation, and stay enrolled in companies profit sharing plan. Less hours and I lose those bennies.

    When I pick up the newest what not gadget to purchase. I Look at the price tag. Multiply by hours required in cubicle hell to earn the cash to pay for it. Then I frequently put the item back on the shelf and walk away. Smiling about it too. I just feel like I avoided an 8-10 hour jail sentence or something.

    By using the hours of work required vs. cost of item to purchase it really sorts out needs vs. want. Do I need to buy this or just want to? Don't get me wrong. I buy the things I want. Spend top dollar for quality if it matters. Never blink an eye about it. Or feel bad about it. But I'll be damned if I'll spend my money as most people I see today.

    The number 1 thing I've seen and heard from the average consumer oriented citizen?

    "How much a month is it?"

    With never a thought given to total cost of the shiny new thing. Or hours at work required to pay themselves back. No care shown about adding to their total debt load, interest charges, etc. Not a moment spent thinking about how this purchase is going to effect their lives. Their only thought is, if I can make the payments, I want it now.

    Not me.

    Yep...I'm on an unconventional path alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Mathematically the sweet point for working enough hours relative to pay to pay bills and to save a lot of money is probably around 35 hours IMO. I have done 60 hour marathons over six month periods and 20 hour work weeks. I think 35 hours is the ideal in that it doesn't eat up too much of your day while still having enough money to pay bills, pay down debt or save 20% or more of income.
    I've always thought about that. What would be the ideal amount of time to work to get the most bang for your buck as in amount of free time vs. money in pocket. I guess it just depends on how expensive your lifestyle is. It would be better to just work enough to live the way you want and no more. Time is a non-renewable resource.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.G. View Post
    With this line above, you have proven yourself about as unconventional as can be in todays society. I have used that basic line to review every dollar I spend. For quite some time. I am not cheap. I am high value, high leverage driven with my money. I view most everything with how long at work will it take me to earn back these dollars I'm spending here.

    Since I hate working to make my BILLIONaire boss wealthier, I really dislike work. I negotiate the most I can make, with maximum benefits to me, for the least amount of time I can be there. It's why when I went part time I still work 20hrs a week. I get to keep my 3 weeks paid vacation, and stay enrolled in companies profit sharing plan. Less hours and I lose those bennies.

    When I pick up the newest what not gadget to purchase. I Look at the price tag. Multiply by hours required in cubicle hell to earn the cash to pay for it. Then I frequently put the item back on the shelf and walk away. Smiling about it too. I just feel like I avoided an 8-10 hour jail sentence or something.

    By using the hours of work required vs. cost of item to purchase it really sorts out needs vs. want. Do I need to buy this or just want to? Don't get me wrong. I buy the things I want. Spend top dollar for quality if it matters. Never blink an eye about it. Or feel bad about it. But I'll be damned if I'll spend my money as most people I see today.

    The number 1 thing I've seen and heard from the average consumer oriented citizen?

    "How much a month is it?"

    With never a thought given to total cost of the shiny new thing. Or hours at work required to pay themselves back. No care shown about adding to their total debt load, interest charges, etc. Not a moment spent thinking about how this purchase is going to effect their lives. Their only thought is, if I can make the payments, I want it now.

    Not me.

    Yep...I'm on an unconventional path alright.
    There is so much gold in this entire diatribe that I couldn't decide what to quote so I quoted the whole thing. "Using hours of work required vs. cost of item to purchase" should be some sort of mandatory formula for a person going his own way. If I could afford to work only 20 hours a week and live the way I want to live, I would do it in a minute. If that meant not having the shiny, new toy then so be it.

    Someone once said that you should buy nice and don't buy twice and that's always stuck with me. If there is an item that you have to have, then buy quality so you don't have to buy it again. Actually middle of the road quality probably gets the most bang for buck because if you go top of the line, you are probably reaching diminishing returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.G. View Post
    With this line above, you have proven yourself about as unconventional as can be in todays society. I have used that basic line to review every dollar I spend. For quite some time. I am not cheap. I am high value, high leverage driven with my money. I view most everything with how long at work will it take me to earn back these dollars I'm spending here.

    Since I hate working to make my BILLIONaire boss wealthier, I really dislike work. I negotiate the most I can make, with maximum benefits to me, for the least amount of time I can be there. It's why when I went part time I still work 20hrs a week. I get to keep my 3 weeks paid vacation, and stay enrolled in companies profit sharing plan. Less hours and I lose those bennies.

    When I pick up the newest what not gadget to purchase. I Look at the price tag. Multiply by hours required in cubicle hell to earn the cash to pay for it. Then I frequently put the item back on the shelf and walk away. Smiling about it too. I just feel like I avoided an 8-10 hour jail sentence or something.

    By using the hours of work required vs. cost of item to purchase it really sorts out needs vs. want. Do I need to buy this or just want to? Don't get me wrong. I buy the things I want. Spend top dollar for quality if it matters. Never blink an eye about it. Or feel bad about it. But I'll be damned if I'll spend my money as most people I see today.

    The number 1 thing I've seen and heard from the average consumer oriented citizen?

    "How much a month is it?"

    With never a thought given to total cost of the shiny new thing. Or hours at work required to pay themselves back. No care shown about adding to their total debt load, interest charges, etc. Not a moment spent thinking about how this purchase is going to effect their lives. Their only thought is, if I can make the payments, I want it now.

    Not me.

    Yep...I'm on an unconventional path alright.
    This post here is the most important advice a man can ever discover. Shifting that thinking into how you pay yourself with hours of your life that is immensely rewarding. A paycheck or a direct deposit is something you have to wait for. But waking up in the morning free to enjoy the day is immediate and an ever lasting reward.

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    I've always thought about that. What would be the ideal amount of time to work to get the most bang for your buck as in amount of free time vs. money in pocket. I guess it just depends on how expensive your lifestyle is. It would be better to just work enough to live the way you want and no more. Time is a non-renewable resource.
    The starting point is to pay down debt and save enough money for an emergency fund of probably a year max. Then trying to diversify investments into other areas that are passive. I am at the point where I am close to my primary goal of paying down debt because I know the sooner I do that the greater control of what jobs I take will occur.

    Then you can choose to work on what you want and on your terms.

    I envision myself working part time even during retirement because it can be fun if you enjoy what you do and it can aid to counter inflation. Even if I am not working part time, when I do retire, I can see myself volunteering to do work I enjoy. The key is that you should have a choice to work and volunteer the hours you want. If you feel forced to work or volunteer that is the worst feeling in the world for any human being.

    I have walked away from jobs that did not value my time and started to dictate a lifestyle that was not healthy for me. Also your dignity is important, but I will say sometimes you have to put your dignity and ego aside to make money to be able to pay down debt. But there reaches a point where someone continues to disrespect your dignity and it starts to eat away from your free time outside of work. That is the red line for me where it is unprofessional and I can't let that slide with work taking over my life.

    The lack of control that others have over you is obvious when they know that you work because you have fun and not because you have to. Unfortunately, it is a double edged sword in that some white knights/blue pillers may grow to resent you even more if they know the extent of your freedom. That is why ghosting appeals to me because most men are not ready to know about the freedom that awaits them sadly.
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    The lack of control that others have over you is obvious when they know that you work because you have fun and not because you have to. Unfortunately, it is a double edged sword in that some white knights/blue pillers may grow to resent you even more if they know the extent of your freedom. That is why ghosting appeals to me because most men are not ready to know about the freedom that awaits them sadly.[/QUOTE]

    Yes exactly! I've always try to keep in the back of my mind that there are others that will not like the fact that you have the freedom you have. I try to present an "I'm poor and need a job" image when I'm at work so I can keep the other blue-pillers off of my back. That's not too far from the truth anyways but not to the extent that I make it seem. I feel that in a blue-pilled controlled world, ghosting is the main thing you can do to protect yourself. Stardusk's video "The Price of Blotting Out the Sun" is a good video that addresses this topic.

    Fortunately, this site exists because I need an outlet to talk about red-pilled knowledge to like-minded people. It can be quite stifling to not be able to talk about it.
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    Yeah giving off the vibe that financially you are barely above water and that you spend your free time doing more work at home helps me avoid most of the scrutiny from coworkers and clients. It is a bit harder to avoid such scrutiny from family. But the best you can do is slowly distance yourself from toxic relationships and bonds that try to detract from your goals regarding financial independence and job preferences.

    Indeed, that is the entire point of having an outlet to discuss beyond what is presented as life script 1.0 and life script 2.0. Men have finally rediscovered a sovereignty that was always there but were afraid taking hold of that power. The assumption being that this power that was their from men was taboo because it would possibly lead to hedonism or deviancy. And yet, going your own way as a man is really about increasing your options in life.

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    Yeah giving off the vibe that financially you are barely above water and that you spend your free time doing more work at home helps me avoid most of the scrutiny from coworkers and clients. It is a bit harder to avoid such scrutiny from family. But the best you can do is slowly distance yourself from toxic relationships and bonds that try to detract from your goals regarding financial independence and job preferences.
    Wow!....So I've been found out and outed!!


    I've used this exact tactic for years. Works like a charm gents.
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