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    Nuclear family

    I hear a lot about that nuclear family is the best , the only , the necessary option to survive and thrive .

    But i say thats bullshit .

    Nuclear family is only good for the ruling class while they need lots of working hands working tirelessly and selflessly . To build the castles and cathedrals for them .

    After that they can all go their own way to hell with their little wives and children

    The nuclear family is the place of cheating, beating and all kinds of other abuse that we talked about on another thread about fathers .

    Pure hell .

    Hand to heart how many of you guys if you are honest would want to spend all your life with the same woman ? If you could afford to do as you please

    Not many i would guess .

    And what percentage of men do really , really care about the children ...if there was no stigma and punishment , and forced care for the babies ? If they could do as they please again .

    This is what interests even me cause i never wanted children even for one weak second . I would say not many men would stay for long .

    But at the same time i have seen so many different kind and status level men that took huge pride in being fathers it looked like they probably would .

    And at the same time im very familiar with the length of bullshit people pull on each other to look normal .

    What do you think ?
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    Re: Nuclear family

    The bottom line, like it or not is that the traditional religious nuclear family is the most efficient method of human reproduction. Any society that abandons or compromises this will have sub replacement birth rates (The first world) and will eventually be replaced by a society that hasn't. (The third world).


    Getting married before 25 and staying with the same woman for life was the norm 4 generations ago. Everyone did it and the average man had no basis for comparison. I'm sure it was always hard work but today it's nearly impossible due to the modern western woman and the way society treats men.


    As for kids it's down to personal choice, I grew up in a one parent household (single dad unusually) and have always maintained that kids need both parents. Even back in my deepest darkest blue pill days I always said I wanted kids but only with a suitable woman.


    Unfortunately since red pill the pool of suitable women dropped by about 99.99%

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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    The bottom line, like it or not is that the traditional religious nuclear family is the most efficient method of human reproduction. Any society that abandons or compromises this will have sub replacement birth rates (The first world) and will eventually be replaced by a society that hasn't. (The third world).


    Getting married before 25 and staying with the same woman for life was the norm 4 generations ago. Everyone did it and the average man had no basis for comparison. I'm sure it was always hard work but today it's nearly impossible due to the modern western woman and the way society treats men.


    As for kids it's down to personal choice, I grew up in a one parent household (single dad unusually) and have always maintained that kids need both parents. Even back in my deepest darkest blue pill days I always said I wanted kids but only with a suitable woman.


    Unfortunately since red pill the pool of suitable women dropped by about 99.99%
    The question is why do you need human reproduction at all ?

    If not for the ruling class to have peasants to do all the dirty work As i mentioned in my OP .
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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    I hear a lot about that nuclear family is the best , the only , the necessary option to survive and thrive .

    But i say thats bullshit .

    Nuclear family is only good for the ruling class while they need lots of working hands working tirelessly and selflessly . To build the castles and cathedrals for them .

    After that they can all go their own way to hell with their little wives and children

    The nuclear family is the place of cheating, beating and all kinds of other abuse that we talked about on another thread about fathers .

    Pure hell .

    Hand to heart how many of you guys if you are honest would want to spend all your life with the same woman ? If you could afford to do as you please

    Not many i would guess .

    And what percentage of men do really , really care about the children ...if there was no stigma and punishment , and forced care for the babies ? If they could do as they please again .

    This is what interests even me cause i never wanted children even for one weak second . I would say not many men would stay for long .

    But at the same time i have seen so many different kind and status level men that took huge pride in being fathers it looked like they probably would .

    And at the same time im very familiar with the length of bullshit people pull on each other to look normal .

    What do you think ?
    I like sub-nuclear family !!! In which I am THE ONLY person ! MGTOW FTW !

    Not everyone in my family are dead and they wont like me discussing them, and I like to respect this wish of theirs, which is why I will stay away from talking about them directly, and this is why I didnt posted in that father's discussion thread. But about myself, I wouldnt want to spend, like you said about children, "even one weak second", with ANY woman, unless she is just an acquaintance (colleague, classmate, etc). I dont even want them to be a friend who I casually talk to, no, any conversation with them must be very to-the-point and objective. And sometimes they do try to prod a little into my personal life, at which point I divulge the cold truth, bluntly : "No I dont want a girlfriend", "No I dont want to marry", etc. And they KNOW that I am telling the truth because of certain other social factors which I described in detail in this post.

    Regarding children, I am an antinatalist. I believe not existing is better than existing. That doesnt mean I want to kill myself, I mean that if you dont exist already, then no point in changing that. I find it immoral to bring children into this world, regardless of social situation. You cannot guarantee anything about their well being. And even if you can, you are not asking for their permission, you bring them into this world just because YOU FIND IT ENJOYABLE to take care of the baby. And I have a lot of problem with that kind of thought.

    Regarding caring for babies, I will say I do find them cute and fun to play with them, but the reality is, they dont remain cute for long. They eventually grow up, learn the fkd up world around them one way or the other.
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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    I hear a lot about that nuclear family is the best , the only , the necessary option to survive and thrive .

    But i say thats bullshit .

    Nuclear family is only good for the ruling class while they need lots of working hands working tirelessly and selflessly . To build the castles and cathedrals for them .

    After that they can all go their own way to hell with their little wives and children

    The nuclear family is the place of cheating, beating and all kinds of other abuse that we talked about on another thread about fathers .

    Pure hell .

    Hand to heart how many of you guys if you are honest would want to spend all your life with the same woman ? If you could afford to do as you please

    Not many i would guess .

    And what percentage of men do really , really care about the children ...if there was no stigma and punishment , and forced care for the babies ? If they could do as they please again .

    This is what interests even me cause i never wanted children even for one weak second . I would say not many men would stay for long .

    But at the same time i have seen so many different kind and status level men that took huge pride in being fathers it looked like they probably would .

    And at the same time im very familiar with the length of bullshit people pull on each other to look normal .

    What do you think ?
    I think you are dead wrong is what I think.

    I would say don't knock it till you try it. Only one problem with all that. It may well be damn near impossible to do so in todays world. That I would not disagree with you on.

    I grew up in a "nuclear family" in the 1960's. Had the picture perfect childhood. The son of a carpenter and school teacher. My parents are in their early 90's and still married to this day. We were far removed from the ruling class. We were working class Joe's.

    Neighborhood I lived in was filled with dozens of working class families raising kids. Divorce was about unheard of. How many were happy together? Who knows. However I played with most of their kids. Kids talk. They tell friends if things are shitty at home. Not too many ever said much about that.

    Having both parents was great. I would definitely say my dad cared for me and my mom too. I learned loads of life skills from both of them . In the summers we road tripped and tent camped most of the USA. Few places I haven't been, and slept there in a tent. My folks lived beneath their means then. They still do today. They taught me to do the same and enjoy it. That life was not about money so much.

    I will add that I know of several Gen X families that are doing well too. Long term marriages. Great kids. Old school kind of life like I had. I hope it lasts for them.

    Good luck putting anything like that together today with some Tinder twat. People today are just screwed in the head with material things. Locked into the debt and slavery it takes to "own" that stuff. Men included. Society is just so much different now. However take it from someone who's lived it, If it were possible to have a life like I did it was great.

    However for me, at my age, I'm all done. No more marriage for me thank you.
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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I like sub-nuclear family !!! In which I am THE ONLY person ! MGTOW FTW !

    Not everyone in my family are dead and they wont like me discussing them, and I like to respect this wish of theirs, which is why I will stay away from talking about them directly, and this is why I didnt posted in that father's discussion thread. But about myself, I wouldnt want to spend, like you said about children, "even one weak second", with ANY woman, unless she is just an acquaintance (colleague, classmate, etc). I dont even want them to be a friend who I casually talk to, no, any conversation with them must be very to-the-point and objective. And sometimes they do try to prod a little into my personal life, at which point I divulge the cold truth, bluntly : "No I dont want a girlfriend", "No I dont want to marry", etc. And they KNOW that I am telling the truth because of certain other social factors which I described in detail in this post.

    Regarding children, I am an antinatalist. I believe not existing is better than existing. That doesnt mean I want to kill myself, I mean that if you dont exist already, then no point in changing that. I find it immoral to bring children into this world, regardless of social situation. You cannot guarantee anything about their well being. And even if you can, you are not asking for their permission, you bring them into this world just because YOU FIND IT ENJOYABLE to take care of the baby. And I have a lot of problem with that kind of thought.

    Regarding caring for babies, I will say I do find them cute and fun to play with them, but the reality is, they dont remain cute for long. They eventually grow up, learn the fkd up world around them one way or the other.
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    Re: Nuclear family

    Is there an alternative to nuclear family ?

    Like when a woman gives birth she fucks of to some enclosure and stay there with other gaggling women with their babies . Until the baby is a few years old like 5 or 6 and then if its a boy then you give it back to the father .

    And if its a girl she stays with mother to help her clean the brothel

    That way a man would stay free twice as much productive . As people like to say productive . Like its
    a virtue to be productive to someone for pennies on the dollar .

    To be productive to the owners/shareholders of the company you work for that are already rich and are primary reason you are poor ( they dont share because you cant do anything to them while they can do anything they want with you ) . And are vastly interested you stay so

    And the man would stay free and doing coke with his biker mates
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    The nuclear family is best for kids, not necessarily the parents. A marriage should be a business agreement between two people to raise kids. It should end the minute the last kid is up and out. Prenups should be mandatory, extremely detailed and enforced. A marriage would be pleasurable if women were forced to stay in their lane and honer their agreements.

    Obviously none of that will happen until possibly after the next collapse. Wish upon a star all you want. I won't hold my breath.

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    Re: Nuclear family

    A peasant (plebian) got a chunk of land he could farm, a woman he could call his own, and a chance to have progeny.
    The "LandLord" collected some loot (call it rent).
    The nuclear family came from each free man being able to be a patriarch unto himself.
    Feminism needed to destroy society at the cellular level of "patriarchy".
    As they could not dethrone heads of state, so they attacked the heads of families.
    They attacked you and me. And quite sadly, they have won.
    Now watching the fallout with whiskey and popcorn. Fuck 'em.
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    Re: Nuclear family

    I dwell in the world of facts, not hypothetical wishful thinking.

    Marriage, family, children, and culture are now an owned and operated function of government.

    All I have to say is,,,, Shove it up your ass!

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    Re: Nuclear family

    The cell phone destroyed the nuclear family.

    Teenage Son's upstairs watching porn on his phone.

    Teenage daughter is downstairs sending nude texts to her boyfriends.

    Mom's in bed drunk cruising Tinder on her phone.

    Dad's at the lake fishing with his phone turned off. Wait till he gets home...
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    Re: Nuclear family

    The nuclear family with natural gender roles is the best option for a sane society and for a wealthy stable country.

    Men with nowhere to go and nothing to lose hardly respect the rules and hardly care or are nice to those who are actually a baggage to them (women, kids, elders), they surely dont work harder to build or create anything unless its for personal gain.

    Women on the other side with no strinct guidelines and limits are unable to control their emotions and vanity, just like a drug addict they get addicted to attention and power over people while failing to develop any relevant skill, they live in god mode till the wall hits them and then with no husband, kids or skills are basically a dead weight on society.

    Now talking about kids, I'm sure you all know the stats about kids coming from a single mother upbringing are more likely to commit crimes, consume drugs, fail at school and many other things...add teenage pregnancy and sexual promiscuity for girls.

    Most of us are not mgtow because one day we woke and decided to play videogames instead of hitting ikea on sunday, most of us are mgtow because its the most intelligent thing to do given the currect state of things.

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    Re: Nuclear family

    'Nuclear Family' was a propagada piece for feminism. Feminism needed to manipulate the traditional power structure extended families had on family relations and gender roles in the household. Women moved to the city for jobs to do things they never wanted Mom to know. The propaganda also convinced men that moving far away from extended family was required for a higher income

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    Divorce rapists of the past wanted as few witnesses as possible. And it was the cherry on top to leave a man broke and 2000 miles away from family support
    This is entirely the case. The con-artists who got at me slowly and systematically cut off all contact with my old friends, my family, everyone. I've noticed it from alot of female users. Ostensibly, it's because they want to spend time around you, but in reality they want to become the entire focus of your life. You're entire existence is to revolve around them. I've seen this done by many co-dependent people, including a guy I knew in college, who played the "pity-party" game just as well as any woman. But thing which often goes unnoticed, is that this keeps you under their supervision at all times. They want you around even if they aren't paying any attention to you, watching them play on their phones, or Xbox, or whatever. They still want you under their watchful eyes.

    This is absolutely a part of dominance strategy. Whereas a shit-test is a direct dominance challenge, this insidious passive-dominance is what sets the stage for those more blatant tactics. This is part of the reason why it works so well, because it's all painted up as a completely reasonable thing. "I just want to spend time with you." "What's wrong with me wanting to hang out with my best-friend-for-life?"

    And in the end, you are very isolated, making it harder for others to diagnose the abuse or support you in any way, because you just aren't around. And yes, once they abandon you, they do take comfort in you being stuck with No Way Out. Because even then, your thoughts are consumed with how they've done you wrong. I've lived this experience more than twice. And even WITH a ripcord (because I always have one) it was extremely effective.

    So nowadays, I'm taking steps to make sure that I won't need that ripcord, while investing in growing it's power. Though it's likely a pipe-dream that I will never accomplish at my age, I very much like the idea of being able to walk into the woods on a moment's notice, and stay there for 3 months. Utterly disappear.

    It's nice to dream.
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I like sub-nuclear family !!! In which I am THE ONLY person ! MGTOW FTW !
    What does FTW mean? It's not some new transexual arcronym, is it? LOL.

    Regarding children, I am an antinatalist. I believe not existing is better than existing. That doesnt mean I want to kill myself, I mean that if you dont exist already, then no point in changing that. I find it immoral to bring children into this world, regardless of social situation. You cannot guarantee anything about their well being. And even if you can, you are not asking for their permission, you bring them into this world just because YOU FIND IT ENJOYABLE to take care of the baby. And I have a lot of problem with that kind of thought.
    I subscribe to the model of reincarnation such that I was a party to the facts of my birth. When, where, and to whom. Makes me wonder how hard it was for those who have inherited great wealth to have decided who their parents would be. Just kidding, as the model explains that. And, like you, I wouldn't want to kill myself either, as I'd defeat my own plans.

    Regarding caring for babies, I will say I do find them cute and fun to play with them, but the reality is, they dont remain cute for long. They eventually grow up, learn the fkd up world around them one way or the other.
    God surely knew to make them babies oh so cute. The bait and switch. For sure, if newborns popped out as rebellious adolescents, I imagine all potential parents might say fuck that shit.
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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    What do you think ?
    The thing I notice is that men, whether MGTOW or not, will advocate that a child needs the presence and influence of the father. This advocacy shows up in discussions regarding single mothers and their bratty kids, or in discussions regarding divorce and, AFAIK, is disputed only by feminists or by the single mother when at that specific moment she is in pursuit of something where agreement with men on this would threaten hersuccess in getting that something. Men, MGTOW and not, agree that his parental influence is needed.

    When the discussion starts up about single mothers and their bratty kids, one of us says the lack of the man in the child's life is a problem and all the rest of us nod our heads in agreement. That includes me.

    When the discussion starts up from a slightly different point in the timeline, such as divorce and child custody, we all support that the man is wronged if kept from his children. And, the children are wronged if kept from their father. We nod our heads at this, too.

    With that said, what I notice is that sometimes when a given MGTOW expresses his advocacy for the necessity of the male parent but expresses it by skipping over the usual and recognizeable single mother discussions and divorce discussions and initiates his comment in terms of a nuclear family, other MGTOW may vehemently jump in and admonish him for being tradcon and an infiltrator to MGTOW.

    Well, wait, how can this be? How can a MGTOW want the male parental influence but also be expected to not want it, if it implies he supports a traditional nuclear family while being the MGTOW that he is?

    What does the Venn diagram look like when comparing those MGTOW who believe in male parental influence with those MGTOW who disallow traditional marriage in their thinking?

    I'm thinking there are MGTOW who contradict themselves, accidentally or not, depending on how the topic is initiated.

    Am I expressing this well enough? Maybe someone can untangle my thinking here.
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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    The thing I notice is that men, whether MGTOW or not, will advocate that a child needs the presence and influence of the father. This advocacy shows up in discussions regarding single mothers and their bratty kids, or in discussions regarding divorce and, AFAIK, is disputed only by feminists or by the single mother when at that specific moment she is in pursuit of something where agreement with men on this would threaten hersuccess in getting that something. Men, MGTOW and not, agree that his parental influence is needed.

    When the discussion starts up about single mothers and their bratty kids, one of us says the lack of the man in the child's life is a problem and all the rest of us nod our heads in agreement. That includes me.

    When the discussion starts up from a slightly different point in the timeline, such as divorce and child custody, we all support that the man is wronged if kept from his children. And, the children are wronged if kept from their father. We nod our heads at this, too.

    With that said, what I notice is that sometimes when a given MGTOW expresses his advocacy for the necessity of the male parent but expresses it by skipping over the usual and recognizeable single mother discussions and divorce discussions and initiates his comment in terms of a nuclear family, other MGTOW may vehemently jump in and admonish him for being tradcon and an infiltrator to MGTOW.

    Well, wait, how can this be? How can a MGTOW want the male parental influence but also be expected to not want it, if it implies he supports a traditional nuclear family while being the MGTOW that he is?

    What does the Venn diagram look like when comparing those MGTOW who believe in male parental influence with those MGTOW who disallow traditional marriage in their thinking?

    I'm thinking there are MGTOW who contradict themselves, accidentally or not, depending on how the topic is initiated.

    Am I expressing this well enough? Maybe someone can untangle my thinking here.
    I don't know if I can untangle anything. I can only tell you that this is my hell. MGTOW is good for the man. When you are awakened while married however, you will likely end up with kids in the mix, as I have. I stay in the marriage because I don't want to take my chances in family court. My kids are too important to me.

    How can you raise red pill sons if you are not in their life, except for maybe two weekends a month? How can you raise red pill sons if you are married to a woman whom the law gives all the power?

    It is a difficult tight rope to walk. There are no good answers.

    MGTOW is for the individual man. If you see the light before you get married and have kids, then stay that way. You can understand this and live this, even while knowing that this is not good for society at large. Society will not survive this for much longer. Their will have to be a collapse, or the west will be taken over by a more patriarchal society or both. At that time, things can possibly be rebuilt with all of the understanding the red pill brings us. It isn't hypocritical to recognize the duality of the position. We are all trying to make the best of what we have. Kids need their dads. Men need to stay single to stay free. It simply isn't sustainable.

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    Re: Nuclear family

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    I don't know if I can untangle anything. I can only tell you that this is my hell. MGTOW is good for the man. When you are awakened while married however, you will likely end up with kids in the mix, as I have. I stay in the marriage because I don't want to take my chances in family court. My kids are too important to me.

    How can you raise red pill sons if you are not in their life, except for maybe two weekends a month? How can you raise red pill sons if you are married to a woman whom the law gives all the power?

    It is a difficult tight rope to walk. There are no good answers.

    MGTOW is for the individual man. If you see the light before you get married and have kids, then stay that way. You can understand this and live this, even while knowing that this is not good for society at large. Society will not survive this for much longer. Their will have to be a collapse, or the west will be taken over by a more patriarchal society or both. At that time, things can possibly be rebuilt with all of the understanding the red pill brings us. It isn't hypocritical to recognize the duality of the position. We are all trying to make the best of what we have. Kids need their dads. Men need to stay single to stay free. It simply isn't sustainable.
    I think you hit the nail on the head for me, thanks, and that you recognize what I was trying to say. I am happy for myself that I did not intend to call what I noticed as hypocritical, though it was helpful to me that you used that word in your response, nonetheless. Thanks again.
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    Re: Nuclear family

    As pbisque said, there's nothing to untangle. It's one of those paradoxes, either the father is in the kids life ala "Nuclear Family" or they're both being denied a Father & Child relationship. Ya can't have it both ways, nowadays... But you once could.

    In the Wayback, the Before-Times, the Long-Long-Ago... Families were raised by entire communities. We're talking tribal days. This is one of the reasons women are so well adapted to caring for children and socializing with other women, because everything was done as a group. The environment we have now, of individual dwellings and Two-Adult (lumpy, but accurate) parenting; is in direct conflict with the communal structure that dominated human civilization for practically the entirety of our species. Hell, you can still see it now, about wolf-packs and feral cat colonies. Babies are raised by -Everyone-. Even old ladies and gents who can't get around as much were (and are, in some parts of the world) quite integral, because they handle the education duties.

    So... the Nuclear Family itself suffers from a serious design-flaw. We simply aren't meant for such an empty, exhausting and distressing environment. This is part of the reason why I'm still rather optimistic about the idea of "group marriages" so-to-speak. If a polyamorous bunch (also known as a polycule) wants to make a go of raising kids as a group, I'm all for it. It ain't all roses, but it's likely more in keeping with evolution and human nature.
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

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    This is the only nuclear family that I want.







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