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    MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Most of the men I’ve known who practice celibacy have thought that they're immune. Every single one of them got royally burned by the “woman who is the exception”. What happened was they were so starved for intimacy that they became a prime mark for some woman. Realizing that this was one of the men who know something is very wrong with women, she proceeds to pretend that she is the one woman in a million who isn’t like that. And for a while, she is. What happens is the man is so overjoyed at finally having some pussy that he turns a blind eye a few months later when things subtly (or not so subtly) change. He ignores odd inconsistencies in what a woman does or says. He ignores warning signs and allows the woman to get a death lock on his life by moving in and/or getting pregnant. Sometimes she is actually able to convince him to get married, even with extreme warning signs (Honey, I know I was a drug prostitute during college but I’m a different person now, hehehe).


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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Starvation for intimacy is where it all goes wrong! Starve the starvation for intimacy and you're over the hurdle! You can't have one foot in and the other foot out, it'll only split you in two. I have no need or desire for women and all the havoc they cause, it's just not worth the investment, it a fools game and I'm happier living in my sovereignty and independence. Intimacy is like putting on boots that are full of mud to keep the mud out, I simply avoid the mud altogether!

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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Preach it, Tower! Celibacy isn't all that hard for many men once they stop spending time around women, most of us have more interesting things to do with our time. Tower, for example sets random objects on his property on fire. Now that is almost guaranteed to be interesting every time. If that isn't fun enough, there's always heavy equipment to fire up. Weekend evening, a bonfire, and drunken Good Ol' Boys with a backhoe, that always gets interesting.

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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Preach it, Tower! Celibacy isn't all that hard for many men once they stop spending time around women, most of us have more interesting things to do with our time. Tower, for example sets random objects on his property on fire. Now that is almost guaranteed to be interesting every time. If that isn't fun enough, there's always heavy equipment to fire up. Weekend evening, a bonfire, and drunken Good Ol' Boys with a backhoe, that always gets interesting.
    I'm not that immature! I only burn things that are hard to disassemble and scrap without the use of fire! (mainly camper trailers). Burning trees whole, torn from the earth is allot easier than a chainsaw! Fire is my friend! Whenever possible it does all the hard work for me!

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    AWALT - All women are like that.

    Our opponents will often argue that NOT all women are like that (NAWALT) and many MGTOW still fall for it. The problem with that argument is we don't know which women are not like that. Just ask any man who has been married; I'm sure almost all of them thought they had found the one, that she wouldn't change and she wouldn't divorce him and take his assets/children. Yet over 50% of marriages end in divorce, and many of the marriages that don't end in divorce are not happy marriages. Women initiate 80% of divorces, are awarded sole custody 85% of the time, and benefit financially from divorce nearly 100% of the time.

    That is why AWALT. Because even if you think you found one who is different, you can never know for sure. Even if she is, she can always change, and when she changes, YOU will be the one who gets screwed. You have to assume all women are like that, and protect yourself at all costs. It only takes one woman to completely destroy your life, and it will always be the one you never would have suspected. They are ALL like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    AWALT - All women are like that.

    Our opponents will often argue that NOT all women are like that (NAWALT) and many MGTOW still fall for it. The problem with that argument is we don't know which women are not like that. Just ask any man who has been married; I'm sure almost all of them thought they had found the one, that she wouldn't change and she wouldn't divorce him and take his assets/children. Yet over 50% of marriages end in divorce, and many of the marriages that don't end in divorce are not happy marriages. Women initiate 80% of divorces, are awarded sole custody 85% of the time, and benefit financially from divorce nearly 100% of the time.

    That is why AWALT. Because even if you think you found one who is different, you can never know for sure. Even if she is, she can always change, and when she changes, YOU will be the one who gets screwed. You have to assume all women are like that, and protect yourself at all costs. It only takes one woman to completely destroy your life, and it will always be the one you never would have suspected. They are ALL like that.
    Over 90% end in divorce .

    Even is she is not like that she will always change . ( nature plus environmental nurture )
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I'm not that immature! I only burn things that are hard to disassemble and scrap without the use of fire! (mainly camper trailers). Burning trees whole, torn from the earth is allot easier than a chainsaw! Fire is my friend! Whenever possible it does all the hard work for me!
    Yes , you are !
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I'm not that immature! I only burn things that are hard to disassemble and scrap without the use of fire! (mainly camper trailers). Burning trees whole, torn from the earth is allot easier than a chainsaw! Fire is my friend! Whenever possible it does all the hard work for me!
    Still you have to admit operating heavy equipment, especially after dark, while the operator is drunk, almost always results in a good anecdote, at the minimum. It took years for the forest to reclaim the meandering walking trail plowed through six different properties, 4 of which were unintended.

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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy_chad View Post
    Most of the men I’ve known who practice celibacy have thought that they're immune. Every single one of them got royally burned by the “woman who is the exception”. What happened was they were so starved for intimacy that they became a prime mark for some woman. Realizing that this was one of the men who know something is very wrong with women, she proceeds to pretend that she is the one woman in a million who isn’t like that. And for a while, she is. What happens is the man is so overjoyed at finally having some pussy that he turns a blind eye a few months later when things subtly (or not so subtly) change...
    No man thinks it can happen to him. But it will.
    I last had sex with a woman around 10 years ago. Like all the other times, it wasn't worth either the effort or the expense of getting it so I don't have the exact date recorded. I absolutely reject the notion that I'm "starved for intimacy" and would be "overjoyed at finally having some pussy". I'd rather suck a lemon. It's like mgtower says, and as I think I stated in my introduction thread: stop scratching the itch and it will eventually stop itching.

    Try going celibate (including no masturbation) for 6 months, NGC, and then come back and tell me that your life's not a whole lot less complicated.

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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    I would argue that the no fap approach doesn't work well for everyone. "Rubbin' one out" works fine for some. It's not like wanking is going to act like some "gateway drug" to chasing the Golden Vag. At least, not in my experience. YMMV

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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    When I'm having sex, I've always had the right mindset towards women; that is acknowledge they are what they are, I can work with them as needed; not get feelings of desire or any over-concern that I need to "avoid" them. All the negativity, over-reactions, paranoia is gone. I've written repeatedly that having sex has all kinds of health benefits- physical, measurable improvements but the greatest is mental. We avoid those realities at our own risk . The body has ways of rewarding us or punishing us for achieving or ignoring what it deems essential. When you are celibate, it's easy to sink into a semi-depression, where you have little ambition, little intellectual curiosity etc. - highly cynical and avoidant of social settings and people in general. To me, that's not the winning algorithm. Nor is it really MGTOW; if one becomes misanthropic and avoids all people in general- then by definition that will include women, but men as well- it is not gender-specific. P4P or a non-exclusive relationship are ways to make that happen.

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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    practicing celibacy?? like I had a choice in the matter......
    then again, if there was such a group as the "Anti-Sex League"... one would find me a carded member of the Great Lakes chapter....
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    The juice is simply not worth the squeeze.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    I would argue that the no fap approach doesn't work well for everyone. "Rubbin' one out" works fine for some. It's not like wanking is going to act like some "gateway drug" to chasing the Golden Vag. At least, not in my experience. YMMV
    Fair point. What works for one may not work for another. In my case I found that trying to give up sex whilst continuing to masturbate to porn was like attempting to quit smoking by switching to nicotine gum. I was still feeding the addiction, but with starvation rations. In the end I just had to go cold turkey.

    As for the relative merits of P4P and other non-exclusive relationships with women versus celibacy, I can only say that my experience -having tried P4P for a while after my marriage ended- has been the opposite of what jagrmeister describes. After becoming celibate my senses are sharpened, my mind is less clouded and, with a reduced (but by no means empty) social circle, I feel much happier. But this is my "own way": it doesn't have to be yours.
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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Quote Originally Posted by TomMak View Post
    After becoming celibate my senses are sharpened, my mind is less clouded and, with a reduced (but by no means empty) social circle, I feel much happier.
    Same here. More mental clarity, more physical energy & drive, more initiative, and I assess situations more-rationally and plan more-logically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMak View Post
    Fair point. What works for one may not work for another. In my case I found that trying to give up sex whilst continuing to masturbate to porn was like attempting to quit smoking by switching to nicotine gum. I was still feeding the addiction, but with starvation rations. In the end I just had to go cold turkey.

    As for the relative merits of P4P and other non-exclusive relationships with women versus celibacy, I can only say that my experience -having tried P4P for a while after my marriage ended- has been the opposite of what jagrmeister describes. After becoming celibate my senses are sharpened, my mind is less clouded and, with a reduced (but by no means empty) social circle, I feel much happier. But this is my "own way": it doesn't have to be yours.
    People are actually so different ... vastly , vastly different genes , background , self perception , experience, income bracket ... In real life we wouldnt get along and would end up looking to score chicks and fuck off
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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    In real life we wouldnt get along...
    Alik, I have to admit you're right! You're the kind of guy that, in real life, I would avoid like the plague. But here we can make jokes about each other and then log off from the site and it's all cool. Actually, I think you're a tiny bit envious that I can keep my pants on around women and you can't. Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMak View Post
    Alik, I have to admit you're right! You're the kind of guy that, in real life, I would avoid like the plague. But here we can make jokes about each other and then log off from the site and it's all cool. Actually, I think you're a tiny bit envious that I can keep my pants on around women and you can't. Just sayin'.
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    Re: MGTOWs who practice celibacy should be EXTRA CAREFUL

    I think the important point to keep in mind that we have differences, both physically, mentally, and where we are in life, that is, our experiences and attitudes. Then there are the huge differences between societies that we live in. For example, some areas prostitution is legal, other areas the man will be arrested and imprisoned if caught. In some countries police automatically believe anything a female says, so informal interaction with women is dangerous, in other countries it's not as risky. Then there's the age difference, what works for a 50 plus year old man may not work for a 20 year old man. Some men, are going to be more attractive to women and can do pump and dump with women that aren't too repulsive, not so much for other men.
    What works for Alik in Russia could easily be insanely crazy for me to attempt in suburban Atlanta, for example.


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