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    You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Warning, triggering ensues for those that dont do well with introspection. The righteous men will take this article as a spark for contemplation. They are personal opinions though so they are open to discussion in a civilized, and well thought manner.

    We have a lot of content about what MGTOW avoids, but very little about what it is. Imo there are some requirements for your detachment from women to be considered MGTOW, and dome red flags that may display you use the label to cover some problems:

    1) If you are a MGTOW because you never learnt to socialise with women, you are NOT a MGTOW.

    2) If you are a MGTOW because a couple women hurt you in the past and you irrationaly demonised them all you are NOT a MGTOW you are just scared and scarred.

    3) If you are a chad that found at last a paradigm that excuses his pump and dump empty lifestyle you are NOT a MGTOW.

    4) If you are a totalitarianist that finds haven in the extremism of the antisystemic paradigm, you are NOT a MGTOW.

    5)If you do it from a lower consciousness base of "watching the world burn" the same way that you burn inside, you are NOT a MGTOW.

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    MGTOW you are when you sacrifice being around women for a higher purpose, like monks do.

    MGTOW you are when you serve a circle much greater than yours encompassing humanity as a whole like Tesla, Davinci etc who dedicated their life to art and science.

    MGTOW you are when you avoid women by choice and from a place of inner power, abundance and intergrity.

    MGTOW you are when you do it out of empathy and sacrifice to not bring sons in this gynocentric cuck world or from self awareness of knowing and admitting you personally are not suitable for parenthood. (Because many people aren't).

    MGTOW you are when your motto is activism and not nihilism, and when you stand up for the needs of your fellow men. Not when you find it as an excuse to hide in a safe basement.

    MGTOW you are when even for love of women themselves you dont seek to exploit them in their current broken state and give the room for repetance.

    So imo "true MGTOWship" has some premises, and its not easy to be met. It's more a transition, a dynamic lifetime process than a switch on, switch off thing. The dominant inclinations though are the ones that put you in one side of the two that are seperated with a thin thread. Pathology, and liberation. You can either experience MGTOW as a pathology and scapegoat for the most part, or as steep uphill path of virtue.

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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    You are Not a MGTOW when.....

    You make up lists of what is, or is not, the "right" way for a man to go.
    A true MGTOW is too busy going his own way. Not telling others what their path should be.
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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Fully with OG on this one. When you don't leave men free to go their own way, the way they choose to do so - you've lost the point of going your own way.
    Stop trying to define a way of life you don't even subscribe to MWC. It does not matter HOW people find it. It doesn't matter what their past is or is not. What matters is the present and the way forward. The path to selfactualization and internal validation is open to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenWithoutChains View Post
    Warning, triggering ensues for those that dont do well with introspection. The righteous men will take this article as a spark for contemplation. They are personal opinions though so they are open to discussion in a civilized, and well thought manner.
    We have a lot of content about what MGTOW avoids, but very little about what it is. Imo there are some requirements for your detachment from women to be considered MGTOW, and dome red flags that may display you use the label to cover some problems.
    Preemptively shaming those who would criticize what you present as your opinion? That it is a lack of introspection? That those who would not agree are not "righteous"? No, MWC. Shaming is shaming, in whatever form, and I will call you out on it each time you try to do so. Shaming is a woman's weapon. It is disappointing to see one who claims to go his own way use such.

    1) If you are a MGTOW because you never learnt to socialise with women, you are NOT a MGTOW.
    False. You can, even if you've never socialized with women at all, recognize the dangers of doing so by observing what happens to other men. Or learn from other men. We do teach eachother, after all.

    2) If you are a MGTOW because a couple women hurt you in the past and you irrationaly demonised them all you are NOT a MGTOW you are just scared and scarred.
    False. This is one of the reasons how men recognize just how bad their position is in currentday society - by being confronted with it in a brutal fashion.

    3) If you are a chad that found at last a paradigm that excuses his pump and dump empty lifestyle you are NOT a MGTOW.
    False. If you accept the risk of short term relations that mean little to you emotionally - IE not become dependant on the existance of a woman in your life - you can maintain a pickup artist lifestyle while going your own way. But like women, that lifestyle has a timelimit. Chads hit the wall too, eventually.

    4) If you are a totalitarianist that finds haven in the extremism of the antisystemic paradigm, you are NOT a MGTOW.
    I don't even get what you're trying to say with this one. Are you really criticising the anticentrism aspect of being anti-gynocentric? Anticentric is damn near the polar opposite of being totalitarian (which requires all power to be centralized).

    5) If you do it from a lower consciousness base of "watching the world burn" the same way that you burn inside, you are NOT a MGTOW.
    Walking away from a society that offers you nothing but hardship and scorn and letting it implode in on itself does not mean you "burn inside". It just means you don't let folk walk all over you.

    MGTOW you are when you sacrifice being around women for a higher purpose, like monks do.
    ... or just do so out of selfpreservation. Like a rational man would.

    MGTOW you are when you serve a circle much greater than yours encompassing humanity as a whole like Tesla, Davinci etc who dedicated their life to art and science.
    Plantation evangalism again? No, these great men of the past did not do what they do for "humanity". They had a passion for invention, for what they did. A drive to sate their OWN curiosity about the world around them. Humanity benefitting from this was secondary.

    MGTOW you are when you avoid women by choice and from a place of inner power, abundance and intergrity.
    I'd call it selfvalidation and a cost-to-benefit analysis, but that's semantics in this case.

    MGTOW you are when you do it out of empathy and sacrifice to not bring sons in this gynocentric cuck world or from self awareness of knowing and admitting you personally are not suitable for parenthood. (Because many people aren't).
    That's choosing to not be a father. Not choosing to go your own way. These are not the same. You can get a vasectomy to solve that particular problem quite easily, no lifestyle adjustments needed. Well, aside from informing a prospective partner that any children are out of the question, which can be a dealbreaker.

    MGTOW you are when your motto is activism and not nihilism, and when you stand up for the needs of your fellow men. Not when you find it as an excuse to hide in a safe basement.
    Will you knock it off with the trice damned activism already? MGTOW IS NOT THE MRA. MGTOW is about PASSIVE resistance to the gynocracy. About working on yourself, not fighting the bluehaired harpy horde. If you're looking for activists, you're in the wrong place on a MGTOW forum. If you don't agree with the method, then find a place which does. Again, the MRA seems more up your alley by what you're trying to push for.

    MGTOW you are when even for love of women themselves you dont seek to exploit them in their current broken state and give the room for repetance.
    Exploit them? Nothing of value has been found - nothing left to "exploit", other then casual relations if that is something you would want. Repentance comes through action, not word. So far I've not seen any, but I'm leaving that door ajar. Nevertheless, those who have broken themselves are likely beyond repair, and will need to suffer the consequences of their actions. Seems the only way to drive home the severity of the situation to those who may follow in their wake.

    So imo "true MGTOWship" has some premises, and its not easy to be met. It's more a transition, a dynamic lifetime process than a switch on, switch off thing. The dominant inclinations though are the ones that put you in one side of the two that are seperated with a thin thread. Pathology, and liberation. You can either experience MGTOW as a pathology and scapegoat for the most part, or as steep uphill path of virtue.
    I concur that MGTOW itself is not ideal longterm. It is counter to our base instinct. Ideally, it should not exist - in the same way that feminism should not exist, as it is counter to the feminine instincts. But until we're out of these choppy waters - even if that means going over a waterfall and plummeting - we're better off riding the rapids alone.
    "True MGTOWship" is a contradiction in term. MGTOW is by definition individualistic. We each go our own way. When you try the suffix "true", you diminish some ways while promoting others. You are trying to control the paths of others. And then they no longer go their own way. It just illustrates you don't have a clue about what we're about, MWC. I hope that changes, 'cause this will merely irritate folk.
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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Well then, I guess I'm not MGTOW after all.....oh well. I have better things to do than live according to someone elses rules.....
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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    I am beginning to get the suspicion that MWC is using this forum to vet content that he intends to take elsewhere....

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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Keep it up the good work Mr. Chains. You'll be man without a forum before long.
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    I do wish that I could post this on /r/gatekeeping . I think that MWC is confusing the terms "MGTOW" and "Monk", or "Saint". I also see the genetic fallacy, here - or a form of it anyway. Being a MGHOW has little to do with how you came to be a MGHOW.

    If you are a totalitarianist that finds haven in the extremism of the antisystemic paradigm, you are NOT a MGTOW.
    What? What is this?

    Warning, triggering ensues for those that dont do well with introspection.
    Shaming doesn't really work terribly well on MGTOW, and anyone who thinks otherwise obviously has a small dick.

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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Quote Originally Posted by O.G. View Post
    You are Not a MGTOW when.....

    You make up lists of what is, or is not, the "right" way for a man to go.
    A true MGTOW is too busy going his own way. Not telling others what their path should be.
    This is a big no-shitter. Thanks OG.
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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Quote Originally Posted by MenWithoutChains View Post
    Warning, triggering ensues for those that dont do well with introspection. The righteous men will take this article as a spark for contemplation. They are personal opinions though so they are open to discussion in a civilized, and well thought manner.

    We have a lot of content about what MGTOW avoids, but very little about what it is. Imo there are some requirements for your detachment from women to be considered MGTOW, and dome red flags that may display you use the label to cover some problems:

    1) If you are a MGTOW because you never learnt to socialise with women, you are NOT a MGTOW.

    2) If you are a MGTOW because a couple women hurt you in the past and you irrationaly demonised them all you are NOT a MGTOW you are just scared and scarred.

    3) If you are a chad that found at last a paradigm that excuses his pump and dump empty lifestyle you are NOT a MGTOW.

    4) If you are a totalitarianist that finds haven in the extremism of the antisystemic paradigm, you are NOT a MGTOW.

    5)If you do it from a lower consciousness base of "watching the world burn" the same way that you burn inside, you are NOT a MGTOW.

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    MGTOW you are when you sacrifice being around women for a higher purpose, like monks do.

    MGTOW you are when you serve a circle much greater than yours encompassing humanity as a whole like Tesla, Davinci etc who dedicated their life to art and science.

    MGTOW you are when you avoid women by choice and from a place of inner power, abundance and intergrity.

    MGTOW you are when you do it out of empathy and sacrifice to not bring sons in this gynocentric cuck world or from self awareness of knowing and admitting you personally are not suitable for parenthood. (Because many people aren't).

    MGTOW you are when your motto is activism and not nihilism, and when you stand up for the needs of your fellow men. Not when you find it as an excuse to hide in a safe basement.

    MGTOW you are when even for love of women themselves you dont seek to exploit them in their current broken state and give the room for repetance.

    So imo "true MGTOWship" has some premises, and its not easy to be met. It's more a transition, a dynamic lifetime process than a switch on, switch off thing. The dominant inclinations though are the ones that put you in one side of the two that are seperated with a thin thread. Pathology, and liberation. You can either experience MGTOW as a pathology and scapegoat for the most part, or as steep uphill path of virtue.
    GO AND FUCK YOURSELF.
    WHO DO U THINK U ARE TRYING TO SHAME GOOD MEN BACK TO THE FUCKIN PLANTATION

    SOME MEN HERE WERE IN THE PLANTATION FOR OVER 30 YEARS. WHILE U WERE A KID PLAYING WITH BARBIE THE DOLLS.

    THEY'VE BEEN FUCKED OVER BY 1 OR 2 OR MORE WOMEN. THEY TOOK EVERYTHING HIS EVER WORKED FOR.
    HE OWNS NOTHING NOW. HE LIVES WITH HIS PARENTS. HE WORKS HIS ASS OFF JUST TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT AND ALIMONY. HE NEVER SEES HIS MONEY AND HE NEVER SEES HIS KIDS.
    HIS NOT EVEN SURE THE KID IS HIS.

    AND UR TRYING TO GET THIS GUY BACK TO A PLANTATION OF A 50% DIVORCE RATE. MULTIPLIED BY A WOMAN AT THE WALL THAT HAS SLEPT WITH 60 GUYS.

    I WOULD FUCKIN GOUGE OUT UR EYES IF I COULD SEE U AND TRY SEE IF A LOBOTOMY WOULD FIX U UP.

    End of rant calm down... Breathe deep...

    Please moderator I call for this guy to be exiled under the grounds that his not MGTOW and that his shaming men back to the plantation. The evidence is observable. It's empirical. It's beyond reasonable doubt

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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    For a man without chains you sure seem chained to lofty ideals.
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    I just love it when a newbie comes on here & tells us how its supposed to be. Do you even know what MGTOW stands for? Men GOING THEIR OWN WAY! I noticed a lot of times its other men that put some stupid role on other men instead of letting men live their lives the way they see fit. Your list is going to be fun to pick apart.

    1) If you are a MGTOW because you never learnt to socialise with women, you are NOT a MGTOW.
    What if women always rejected the guy? What if there was never any interest shown in him?

    2) If you are a MGTOW because a couple women hurt you in the past and you irrationaly demonised them all you are NOT a MGTOW you are just scared and scarred.
    Ever hear of AWALT? Maybe the guy is just sick of the same shit over & over. I do believe in my heart AWALT. Do I hate or wish any harm on women? A big fat NO! I just realize women are a lot like snakes. Don't ever trust them cause they will turn on you in a heart beat then strangle you.

    3) If you are a chad that found at last a paradigm that excuses his pump and dump empty lifestyle you are NOT a MGTOW.
    If the guy was a Chad then I doubt, he'd ever be here.

    4) If you are a totalitarianist that finds haven in the extremism of the antisystemic paradigm, you are NOT a MGTOW.
    Ummmm....Who is the one making lists here?

    5)If you do it from a lower consciousness base of "watching the world burn" the same way that you burn inside, you are NOT a MGTOW.
    Maybe some men just got fed up & like to "watch the world burn". They realize they have been fed shit all their lives & are very hurt.

    MGTOW you are when you sacrifice being around women for a higher purpose, like monks do.
    There is nothing wrong with having company. But just be careful.

    MGTOW you are when you serve a circle much greater than yours encompassing humanity as a whole like Tesla, Davinci etc who dedicated their life to art and science.
    I think you are MGTOW when decide to live by your own standards and are not dictated into living out a role.

    MGTOW you are when you avoid women by choice and from a place of inner power, abundance and intergrity.
    Nobody likes a prick. Just live your life normally. Don't go out of your way to be a prick. If I am at the grocery store and the only line that is open is the one with the female cashier then I'm getting in that line. I don't have time to waste just because it's a woman.

    MGTOW you are when you do it out of empathy and sacrifice to not bring sons in this gynocentric cuck world or from self awareness of knowing and admitting you personally are not suitable for parenthood. (Because many people aren't).
    Nobody is suitable for parenthood. Kids don't come with a set of instructions. Just because you have the working parts doesn't mean you should be reproducing. Kids usually start puberty around 11. Do we really need parents that young? Then again, I know people that take their 11 and 12 year olds to planned parenthood for birth control. What a world we live in........


    MGTOW you are when your motto is activism and not nihilism, and when you stand up for the needs of your fellow men. Not when you find it as an excuse to hide in a safe basement.
    That statement comes off as trollish. You mentioned "Hiding in a basement" which is what trolls say as insult to people. "You hide in your mom's basement!" etc. Stand up for your fellow man? How many times can you actually say you helped a fellow man out in his time of need? I am talking actual time of need not "I loaned my buddy lunch money cause he forgot his wallet" but real crisis?

    MGTOW you are when even for love of women themselves you dont seek to exploit them in their current broken state and give the room for repetance.
    Are you a priest? What makes you think women should repent? Their actions are completely normal to them. Remember that men think LOGICALLY & women think EMOTIONALLY. You expect women to repent because you put them as equal to a man which is not true. Here is an example of thought patterns.

    It's 3am on a back road and a woman sees a male hitch hiker. She thinks 1 of 2 things. 1. He's cute and he's just a guy down on his luck. Let me pull over. 2. He is ugly. So he must be a creep or something evil. I am not pulling over so I don't care if he is even dying. Notice how women also bring up their opinion of a guy's looks into their deciding factor. You always hear a woman say "Oh he's not a bad looking guy" or some variation when they speak of a man. If they think he is ugly then its "He is an asshole!" and they will continue to damn him.

    Same scenario as above but roles reversed. A guy is driving a back road at 3am and sees a female hitchhiker. First thing a guy thinks is "WTF?" then "Okay...I don't see her car anywhere...", Calls the police to let them know her whereabouts. He helped her and also he even possibly saved his own life.

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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    A trigger warning? Fuck off, mate
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    There's more triggers in this thread than a gun shop has!
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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boar View Post
    I am beginning to get the suspicion that MWC is using this forum to vet content that he intends to take elsewhere....
    He's a blogger or some kinda shit. Everything he posts here, he posts elsewhere, word for word, copy and paste. Appears smart but he really isn't... neurogastroimmunology huh... sounds like one of those hicks who believe that milk is the source of all disease in mankind.

    Here:

    https://www.reddit.com/user/potatorockstar/posts/


    Same person.
    I remember his posts. I think he got banned from r/MGTOW so now he has to post his drivel in r/MGTOW2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    He's a blogger or some kinda shit. Everything he posts here, he posts elsewhere, word for word, copy and paste. Appears smart but he really isn't... neurogastroimmunology huh... sounds like one of those hicks who believe that milk is the source of all disease in mankind.

    Here:

    https://www.reddit.com/user/potatorockstar/posts/


    Same person.
    I remember his posts. I think he got banned from r/MGTOW so now he has to post his drivel in r/MGTOW2
    Sounds very similar to potato rockstar. very similar.

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    I really think MWC/potatoerockstar is here to DIVERT our attention from genuine MGTOW discussion. DIVERSION is a tactic as old as time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    Nice catch!
    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    I remember his posts. I think he got banned from r/MGTOW so now he has to post his drivel in r/MGTOW2
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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    I really think MWC/potatoerockstar is here to DIVERT our attention from genuine MGTOW discussion. DIVERSION is a tactic as old as time.
    I agree that MWC's behavior matches that of an agenda driven troll. Whether he is a tradcon true bluepill believer, a purple pill, a wanna be author using deceitful methods to collect book or article material or a SPLC funded professional troll expertly diverting discussion, I don't know.

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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    Those of us from the old site (Cat Litter Island) have seen professional level trolling efforts, we discussed them quite a bit at our other new site. Assuming most trolls are just angry attention whores or bored teenagers or the efforts of an INCEL is naive at this point.

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    Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

    MCW, dude, everyone one of us here are coming from different starting positions. This place is an extremely messy web, connected by our VERY RATIONAL response to an unjust gynocentric culture which burns males through its disregard, injustice, double standards and hypocrisy's.

    That one messy web is in the name of this website: GOING YOUR OWN WAY (far far away from the gynocracy).

    You're entitled to an opinion, just don't expect everybody to agree with it. What bothers me about you is that you don't seem to relent, its as though you have to keep hammering away and finally get us all to conform to your ideal of what MGTOW should be.

    No thanks mate, sounds a lot like the gynarchy and its shaming tactics to get us back to the plantation.


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