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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    I am reminded of the "shiny rocks" market. How can diamonds be "rare and valuable" when there is an endless supply of them?
    I saw a video that explained that the "tradition" of buying a diamond for an engagement ring was created by the DeBeers corporation just a few decades ago.
    diamonds were meant to be used for drill bits and masonry saw blades.....
    also.. that thing with the DeBeers cartel.... I understand those rocks are not that expensive... goes to some conspiracy theory that the supply has been artificially manipulated...

    then again... in regards to stones (of any sort) in rings......
    I don't know if you ever watched the anime "Wedding Peach".. but in that, one character had a wedding ring with a ruby in it... not a diamond.
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Jewelry stores, caterers, bakers, house builders, bankers, furniture makers, landscapers, etc. Everyone benefits when the less rational member of these millions of economic units get into a spending war with each other. Why do you think that they call it keeping up with "the Joneses?" That means Mr. and Mrs. Jones, plural, married couple, not Mr. Jones, bachelor.
    actually... Valentine's Day is a conspiracy of the flower, jewelry, and candy industries... I learned that the HARD way....
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    The list:


    1. Half of the marital assets upon divorce ("Marital assets" = "All that stuff he worked to accumulate while she didn't.")




    1. Automatic right to inherit from your spouse (He usually dies 7 years younger than she does....due to overwork. How convenient....for her.)





    1. Ownership of property as tenants by the entireties, which is only available to married couples (and not in every state), and provides greater protection from creditors and one another (Yep, because every husband dreams of paying off the credit card balance she built up buying 200 pairs of shoes.)




    1. Social security benefits from your spouse (or ex-spouse) (Yep. He dies early, she keeps getting the checks. Checks from a fund that he paid a lot more into than she did)
    2. Filing joint federal income taxes (beware that this can also be a major DISadvantage of marriage as, depending on your respective incomes, there are marriage penalties or bonuses) (NO, it was just a way to tax middle class people like they were rich people with progressive taxes that were not indexed for inflation.)
    3. Benefiting from the legal presumption that children born into the marriage are legal children of both parents (though it is strongly recommended to button up parental rights with an adoption or parentage judgment) (No, this just puts the husband on the financial hook after the wife cheats on him and has bastard children.)
    4. Providing health insurance to an employee’s spouse without it being taxable income to employee
    5. Transferring property at divorce without it being subject to transfer tax and providing alimony/spousal support deductible by the payor and includible as income to the payee (Hooray for me!)
    6. Transferring wealth in life or at death without incurring gift or estate tax (Men die sooner, and leave behind more stuff. Of course the gynocracy will do this for women.)
    7. Having standing to sue for wrongful death, loss of consortium, and other claims that can only be brought by a surviving or injured spouse (Since more men die at the workplace......)
    8. Deferring income taxes on an inherited IRA or other qualified retirement plan, delaying having to take the Required Minimum Distribution and benefiting from hardship withdrawals
    9. Joint bankruptcy protection
    10. Wealthy individuals having many more estate planning options such as gift splitting, QTIP, QDOT, credit shelter or A/B trusts
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    I have a brother who married his college sweetheart in the early 2000s. He moved to her hometown which is not near the university they went to nor the DC area proper that we grew up in.

    This wife ad majored in teaching I believe. Well, she didn't bring much money to the household Family household at all with it. The only thing I ever heard of doing with that degree was tutoring. Never anything full time. Or if there was done I sure didn't hear about it.

    After about a decade of her mooching, she decides that she wants to be a veterinarian. So she has to go away to school about 3 hours away for yet another college degree.
    from him full time for 4 years. (Only one college per state can give a vet degree, or every other state, i was told).

    In the middle of this, I could not help but to see to my mom, "I hope she means what she says and doesn't just leave him after her career gets going. Otherwise he'll just feel like someone who was used--like a woman I imagine would have felt just after they put their ex
    -boyfriend into medical school--ONLY TO have him ditch her once he started making the money."

    Well, guess what happened after just three or four years of her new career? She filed for divorce!

    I remember about two or three years ago he was white knighting for feminism and I debate him back and said look when I catch each other's beliefs but don't sell me that glass ceiling bullshit.

    Originally I was going to be vague because I don't want to make enemies my family. I love the guy. But, my so-called family played a little game called Kick the scapegoat and I'm all but done with them without having it been announced from the other side.

    I kept a lot of my red pill views to myself for the most part in all those years. But then I got an invitation to the pussyhat March Club that my sister was forming as a response to Trump being elected. They used a euphamism for it to trick me into jooning it. Once I saw whatever the club that was on Facebook, I inmediately dropped out of it.

    I deleted FAKEbook for other reasons though eventually.

    One other last memory I have of the end of my brother's marriage days before we knew that they were officially doomed. Here I am across the country back East where I grew up and I'm sitting at the kitchen table with my parents and my brother. He just nonchalantly mentioned that he sleeps in a separate bedroom from her because story keeps one of them up or some nonsense like that. You know how badly I just wanted to say, "Your marriage is fucking dead dude!"?

    I guess I have one little bit of blue pill left of me and just thought maybe a strip-till guys headed to hard relationships or whatever and we kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to be a dick to someone I always saw one week a year or whatever.

    I also knew that he was investing in a bad woman because she refused to have kids. (Isn't that the whole fucking point of a guy paying for a woman?) In the strong and independent woman age, she is no excuse to fucking make like a tenth of what the husband does.

    I think marriage is a sucker's game. But someone's doing it to raise kids and give them the most normal environment, I guess I can't front upon a guy getting into it if his kids could to get brought up all the way through high school with a two-parent household. But only if they have a regular sex life. She can't just give him Duty sex once a month and call the dig that marriage for the guy.

    The biggest problem with marriage is just as much as these blue pills like to pretend that women are on board with marriage 2.0, the TRUTH IS that is the men who are marriage 1.0 and the women who are marriage 2.0/divorce rape 2.0.

    Basically wasted decades with a woman who didn't want to have kids and even accepted the suggestion that he'd have to adopt if he want to kids. Thank God he didn't take that route. Otherwise he'd be paying glorified alimoney....er...child support payments now that they've been divorced for a year so. The auction the office. Unless one's having kids, I'll say it again and again, there's no point in a man getting married in this day and fucking age!

    I hate to say I would have told you so or I told you so to some people who got their ass kicked by marriage after whiteknighting and being a so-called good man. But I can't help but the laugh just a little because I'm only human now. Bet that SHOVES a sock into the mouth of blue pill white knighting for feminjsm a bit! sorry to get a bit hostile towards family basically, but now it's my turn to laugh. But actually, I'm a lot more saddened than I am amused and I really wish he had not tolerated her sleeping a different bedroom a few years ago. He could have gotten out of the marriage HIS way insteas of her way. I wish I had been flat out front with above what I really think of people who sleep in different bedrooms. I wish I could have told me about the "No More Mr. Nice Guy" book/forum, the "Married Man's Sex Life" book or the Married section of Red Pill Reddit.

    But seeing how defensive he was about feminism OF ALL THINGS, obviously I guess with 20/20 hindsight, he was just gonna have to learn the hard way.

    The TL;DR version: if you must get married, do it the raise kids of your own, not ONLY adopted ones.(unless she or you is infertile.) And whether raising kids or not, if you're in a "dead bedroom"" scenario--hit the eject button, dammit! Have some fucking self-respect, man!!
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    The majority of that list is centered around money. Gee, I wonder why?

    Any man who gets married to raise children is also a fucking idiot. End of story.
    See, in current society you have people that maintain and those that consume. The people that pay taxes and those that assist in the production of goods and essential services are those that upkeep the society. The ones that do nothing but collect from the government because the government can't afford to let them die are the obligate consumers RE: parasites. Children learn from their parents (or whoever is the dominant force in their lives) so the next generation does the same as the last.
    If you are getting married so that you can have children who will grow up to have morals and values, you are making the future generation of those that maintain the system. Your one or two children who will grow up to have jobs are the ones that are going to be paying for Jamal and Shaniqua's 6 babies, or Cleetus and Brandine's 3 abortions or Jose and Maria's football team of rugrats.
    That is a stupid idea. Those feelings that a man have to do such a thing are built ENTIRELY on selfish reasons. This behaviour is immediately called out when a bitch is doing it but as a man you need to self-reflect that you're also doing the same thing by harboring those thoughts.
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Hey Juggarnaut, I have no kids, was trying to buy into the raising "good" kids part of my post that jail stats of kids raised by single mothers usually show. Which was more of a way of saying that it be understandable, what was a one-sided marriage financially my brother had chosen to take on, if at least they were trying to raise kids in a two-parent household.

    Now for you to say that a man who does that is an IDIOT--I don't know if I'd go that far.

    But being childless and having no dog in this fight, I can't find why I'd want to argue it or even disagree with you. In fact, to be honest, I pretty much agree with you and see more negatives than positives with this family thing in the 21st century the way things are right now.

    Thank God I don't have any kids or some fucking ex I'm tied to that way or some child support payments or whatever.

    I cohabitatedwith a few women for a few years in my past. Sure I saw them as friends with benefits after that and I'll tell you it felt bettet seeing them having all that extra freedom and slack. Oh, and not to mention the good old mantra: Absence makes the heart grow fonder!

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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post

    After about a decade of her mooching, she decides that she wants to be a veterinarian. So she has to go away to school about 3 hours away for yet another college degree. from him full time for 4 years. (Only one college per state can give a vet degree, or every other state, i was told).

    In the middle of this, I could not help but to see to my mom, "I hope she means what she says and doesn't just leave him after her career gets going. Otherwise he'll just feel like someone who was used--like a woman I imagine would have felt just after they put their ex
    -boyfriend into medical school--ONLY TO have him ditch her once he started making the money."

    Well, guess what happened after just three or four years of her new career? She filed for divorce!
    If he were smart, when she divorced he should have gotten her to pay him alimony! Does she not make more money than he does? Is not her Veterinary degree "community property," a "marital asset?"
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    Now for you to say that a man who does that is an IDIOT--I don't know if I'd go that far.
    He's doing it for selfish reasons. The children are nowhere in the picture because they don't exist yet.

    HE makes the decision to get married.
    HE wants to have children.
    HE wants them to grow up and be successful.
    HE is putting himself at risk of not even being able to take care of them (which is what he intended to do in the first place) because HE doesn't understand how things work. All of his plans depend on shit that he has no control over.
    HE is doing this ONLY because HE wants what HE wants, regardless of how HE will exit said situation.

    This sounds like something a woman would do, wouldn't it?
    HE is an idiot.
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    The opposite holds true but I would rather be surprised by the truth than a lie.

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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    If he were smart, when she divorced he should have gotten her to pay him alimony! Does she not make more money than he does? Is not her Veterinary degree "community property," a "marital asset?"
    Nope,.he makes a lot closer to $200,000 than $50,000. ( the figure is plausible deniability I guess in case he somehow ends up on this part of the internet so I could maintain privacy in talking about MY OWN life.)

    And no, he doesn't live in California so he doesn't get the guarantee of alimony if it were the other way around and she made more money.

    This reminds me of Chris Rock whose wife file for alimony the first day of her 10 years into his marriage. Talk about not even hiding it in plain sight! See, year number 10 is where the alimony kicks in it in the state of California.

    What is it with red pill guy like Bill Burr wbo to go back into the lion's den of marriage there?!?! Remember, he's the guy who said "There's no feminists in a house fire" famously. Yet he marries a feminist woman after one divorce already?

    The more time goes on, the more I'm convinced that much of the entertainment divisions and what their alleged lives are, end up being nothing more than social engineering to lead to a desired end. For the apparent controllers of society towards the gullible sheepole. (Baaahh bah bah baaah...)
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by uroach View Post
    The list:

    1. Half of the marital assets upon divorce
    2. Automatic right to inherit from your spouse
    3. Ownership of property as tenants by the entireties, which is only available to married couples (and not in every state), and provides greater protection from creditors and one another
    4. Immigration benefits for your fiancé or spouse
    5. Social security benefits from your spouse (or ex-spouse)
    6. Family medical leave benefits, if your spouse gets sick
    7. Filing joint federal income taxes (beware that this can also be a major DISadvantage of marriage as, depending on your respective incomes, there are marriage penalties or bonuses)
    8. Benefiting from the legal presumption that children born into the marriage are legal children of both parents (though it is strongly recommended to button up parental rights with an adoption or parentage judgment)
    9. Providing health insurance to an employee’s spouse without it being taxable income to employee
    10. Transferring property at divorce without it being subject to transfer tax and providing alimony/spousal support deductible by the payor and includible as income to the payee
    11. Transferring wealth in life or at death without incurring gift or estate tax
    12. Having standing to sue for wrongful death, loss of consortium, and other claims that can only be brought by a surviving or injured spouse
    13. Deferring income taxes on an inherited IRA or other qualified retirement plan, delaying having to take the Required Minimum Distribution and benefiting from hardship withdrawals
    14. Joint bankruptcy protection
    15. Wealthy individuals having many more estate planning options such as gift splitting, QTIP, QDOT, credit shelter or A/B trusts


    Source: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0cf3c8e8d58eb
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Most of my married friends only got married so she would shut up about it. The real kicker is they don't even know why women want to get married so bad. Oh well, they'll pay for their willful ignorance and find out.

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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    MGTOW only exists because? Notice the word 'only' as if to imply insignificance. If we're so insignificant then why spend energy writing about us? Slow news day? And then 'because', as if these people have the answer. Answer to what? What's the question? Why am I single? Fuck you! None of your beeswax! That's why. Anymore questions?
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    That entire list is far too practical and in some cases pointless. It's like saying buy a failing business and write it off on tax.

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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    Lists like these are the reason this happened:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9-sSZCyHoc

    Truthless propaganda, noone is buying anymore... Huffies entire wokeness generating department is now googling how to make a resume. And I'm grinning ear to ear...
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    Re: MGTOW only exists, 'cause you, guys, don't understand the benefits of marriage.

    The benefits of marriage? I'm in my 40s. There are 3, married women on my social media, openly, actively propositioning me. I'm talking, normal married women.

    I'm not going anywhere near any of them, but I have no doubt they're serious.

    They tell me everything. ...And anything's on the table. Threesomes, 50 shades action, bdsm, anything.

    I'd really like to take screen caps and send it to their husbands to warn them but I know that somehow it'll all be my fault, despite me never initiating and having proof of it.

    Don't get married.


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