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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    Yeah, but who's problem is that? What gods can you pray to, what flag can you follow, what woman can you worship, that can do more to change your circumstances than YOUR OWN TWO HANDS?

    Nobody gets to choose who their parents or society is... but in the end, no matter -how- you got in a bad situation, it's your job to get out of it. If you don't have an exit strategy, make one.
    Its hard to say , it is just so many circumstances , what if you are born with just one hand ?

    You become a drummer !!!

    At my school band the drummer only had one hand . You couldnt tell
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    He drew an analogy to the Garden of Eden and the fall of man at the instigation of the woman, with MGTOW as a form of divine retribution to feminists.
    I just don't see any 'divine retribution'.
    MGTOW is simply the idea that men want an equal footing in the modern world.

    MGTOW grew organically from the bottom up to address the need for a new male identity. An identity where men ask themselves the question 'What does it mean to be a man in the modern (western) world?' and 'How does the societal expectation of me adhering to this traditional role benefit me?'

    In that sense, it has overlap with feminism. Women began demanding equality in all areas of life, and they fought admirably for their rights. The issue is, since the overwhelming majority of women are manipulative, they only went as far as equality in work, family etc, but not in dating, law and so on. Think equality for women in the workplace, but privilege when it comes time to pay the bill.

    Why do feminists not try to ban Scripture?
    Scripture is gynocentric. Women are idealised, think Virgin Mary. The assumption is 'men should take responsibility'. This assumption is inherently, undeniably ANTI-MGTOW.

    MGTOW is not about saving this or that society or this or that women. The reason why the average man is fucked is precisely because of the (blind) adherence to this narrative (which men don't question).

    If a man doesn't read the whole Bible, he would never know that current marriage is NOT Biblical marriage.
    It would be discouraged.

    Notice how you get pastors saying shit like 'oh our church is only New Testament' when Christ clearly said 'I come not to destroy the law but to fulfil it' (Matthew 5:17). Selective reading as you clearly indicate.

    Here in Saudi Arabia, where I am from, the religious leaders always call men pussies as soon as some cultural or societal change happens in favour of women; when they themselves only teach you about the parts of islam which glorify women, like 'heaven is at the feet of your mother' and other gynocentric rubbish!

    They never teach you the parts of islam which clearly talk about a woman's manipulative personality.

    I don't care since I am an atheist, but you get gynocentric crap in the atheist community as well.

    In the atheist community, you get Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens types saying shit like 'women need to be protected in the Middle East' and such and such culture 'oppresses women'. When they clearly know that once women have freedoms, they usually tend to abuse it. Think false allegations of rape etc.

    Instead they never talk about for example, hypergamy which is a clearly evidenced if you just observe the natural world!!

    Such atheists like Hitchens are absolute scum and filth in my opinion and would gladly side with a genuine, traditional catholic against them in this specific instance. They also only select certain parts of science to further their (or someone else's) agenda.

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Scripture is gynocentric. Women are idealised, think Virgin Mary. The assumption is 'men should take responsibility'. This assumption is inherently, undeniably ANTI-MGTOW.
    This is the reason why I dont like to accept traditions and religion as it is. I'd like to know the reasoning and observations behind whatever written there without fiction. And gynocentrism is very very apparent in there. But I discovered a few things as I learnt more, which now makes me believe that gynocentrism present in there is not the actual intention, its just a consequence. The actual intention is to preserve family and in turn preserve society and civilization. And sometimes it favors men, as I mentioned in a post I made sometime ago.

    And if my assumption is correct, that civilization/society/family is the focus, and if you also factor in the technology available during primitive times, a large chunk of gynocentrism is inevitable. MGTOW on the other hand, places the man and his self above everything else (which I totally have NO PROBLEM WITH IT, I LIKE IT !). So yeah I agree with you on that, that most of the religions are very anti-MGTOW and nothing can be done about it. I have stated in my other posts, especially in this thread (towards the later posts), that it essentially boils down to us vs them, us being MGTOW men and them being everyone else (women, blue pills, simps, radical liberals, etc), and its very rational to be selfish in fight when the other side is also doing the same.

    Still, I m willing to listen and learn, purely out of curiosity, if someone takes out pieces from scriptures and analyze or refine them to make things work in the modern world, and not get corrupted by liberalism (or atleast last longer than previous attempts). Not saying if its feasible or not, its just interesting, just like watching someone attempting a hard puzzle.
    A clever fighter not only wins, but excels in winning with ease. His victories bring him neither reputation for wisdom, nor credit for courage. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

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    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    I just don't see any 'divine retribution'.






    Scripture is gynocentric. Women are idealised, think Virgin Mary. The assumption is 'men should take responsibility'. This assumption is inherently, undeniably ANTI-MGTOW.

    MGTOW is not about saving this or that society or this or that women. The reason why the average man is fucked is precisely because of the (blind) adherence to this narrative (which men don't question).


    Before I read the Scriptures in their entirety, I would have agreed. Because all I ever heard were sermons where the Pastor encourages marriage and is afraid to offend women. The Pastor thinks of the collection dish more than the young men in the Church. In the OT it is very clear Eve is responsible for the fall. Even in the NT, Paul makes it clear that the Woman was made for the man, she is to be in subjection to him and she can not have authority over him.

    1 Corinthians 11:9
    Neither was the man created for the
    woman
    ; but the
    woman
    for the man.
    1 Timothy 2:11
    Let the
    woman
    learn in silence with all subjection.
    1 Timothy 2:12
    But I suffer not a
    woman
    to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    There is nothing holy in a matrimony where the woman rode the chad cock carousal for ten years then bags a beta to enslave until she can extract as much labor and capital from him as she can.

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    Quote Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
    Before I read the Scriptures in their entirety, I would have agreed. Because all I ever heard were sermons where the Pastor encourages marriage and is afraid to offend women. The Pastor thinks of the collection dish more than the young men in the Church. In the OT it is very clear Eve is responsible for the fall. Even in the NT, Paul makes it clear that the Woman was made for the man, she is to be in subjection to him and she can not have authority over him.

    1 Corinthians 11:9
    Neither was the man created for the
    woman
    ; but the
    woman
    for the man.
    1 Timothy 2:11
    Let the
    woman
    learn in silence with all subjection.
    1 Timothy 2:12
    But I suffer not a
    woman
    to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    There is nothing holy in a matrimony where the woman rode the chad cock carousal for ten years then bags a beta to enslave until she can extract as much labor and capital from him as she can.
    This is exactly what is wrong with scriptures, incidentally, with no direct fault of those who actually wrote it. You see, you use that way of talking when you have a position of power, where your audience is looking up to you and not questioning you. But it wont work when you are a peer or lower, and especially a minority voice in the crowd.

    In the very least, it will piss two kinds of people. One category is women and radical liberals obviously, and the other are some (most ?) libertarians who are thinking rationally and have good intentions, but dont have enough experience, knowledge and/or data to make an informed opinion. And in a lot of cases they wont even be aware of this, they will *think* they have enough experience of people and society, until SHTF in their own lives. But before that happens, in their blue pill wisdom, they will feel they are being treated like a child by people who are apparently inferior to them in terms of rational and reasonable thinking. So they wont pay attention at best, or will be extremely hostile to you at worst.
    A clever fighter not only wins, but excels in winning with ease. His victories bring him neither reputation for wisdom, nor credit for courage. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

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    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    The Dunning-Kruger Effect: why the incompetent overestimate their abilities.


    https://youtu.be/pOLmD_WVY-E
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    The Dunning-Kruger Effect: why the incompetent overestimate their abilities.


    https://youtu.be/pOLmD_WVY-E
    The most critical part of that video, relevant to this topic, is the one about how people are able to spot their flaws when they actually learn how to spot them. And this is difficult with social culture. Because even if we remove the factor of indignation one feels when you challenge their viewpoint on society and culture, its still hard to objectively point out "X is wrong because Y", because it might require very lengthy explanation, chaining across several points. And they will cut you in between all the time saying "SOURCES ?!" or just getting triggered, extending the already lengthy explanation to the point of almost impossible to explain. And when you actually tell them the source, it will be a lengthy article or a lengthy video which they will never watch or read.

    So yeah... in most cases, I believe that the Dunning Kruger in this case is inescapable unless and until you get a red pill dose the **hard** way.
    A clever fighter not only wins, but excels in winning with ease. His victories bring him neither reputation for wisdom, nor credit for courage. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

    Sun Tzu in The Art of War
    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    So yeah... in most cases, I believe that the Dunning Kruger in this case is inescapable unless and until you get a red pill dose the **hard** way.
    I agree. Anything short enough to be palatable for the modern phone junkie inevitably gets ridiculed for being simplistic, and anything thorough enough will get a TLDR from folks. Though tons of people like to believe that they are "open-minded" and "flexible in their beliefs", in reality it's what they expect from others; yet never practice themselves. An old friend of mine used to dislike was he called "fundamentalist open-mindedness", which decries any form of boundaries or questioning on the part of anyone. And it's practically the religion of SJW's.
    And it's nothing but wide open prairie...

    There's something very fun about MGTOW. In an odd sense, like charting a new territory of the mind, or rediscovering a long lost civilization. Occult knowledge, secret societies, cannibal natives (THOTS), it's all very exciting... lololol.

    Abandon the Abandoners.

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    Re: MGTOW and the divine plan for Western Civilization

    I think the reason feminists don't try to ban scripture is that there are so many warnings in the Bible about women, that to simply bring up the Bible would be political suicide. And they'll tell you they don't care about that. I think that this so called movement of ours (and we all know that's what they call it) is simply a lesson in physics. Yes, it's good old patriarchal physics. Newton once said "for every action there is an equal and opposite re-action." MGTOW is a re-action to VAWA and the rest of the gynocentric systems in place. Obviously, for us to react at all is an affront to them. In the Biblical context we are at the altar of feminism. Our fathers built it for our mothers, and they gave it to our sisters. And they promptly began beating us over the head with it. What the hell did they think would happen? Well, we all know what they thought. No wonder they hate us so.
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