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    Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    I just watched this by one of our very own. It brought a thought I've been mulling over for a while now.

    A month or so back, I saw a shocking story about google tracking everything via your phone. In the story a woman was shocked to see "her story" on a private google page. It even included information of her recent pregnancy test, the fact that she walked to the clinic, etc...

    Could this be a good thing? We like to say "Always be Recording". I'm running with the assumption that non of us are actually criminals. Could google tracking data set a man free from these sorts of baseless accusations?

    Just a thought.

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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    I guess it would bother me to be tracked. I don't worry tho...I don't own a cell phone, or, it don't own me. Saw an ad on the tele...an add for an app to check one's "Online reputation".
    Good Gawd, how dumb is that? This here, is as close to social media as I get, I guess I'm a cave man.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    I was speaking with a gentleman about a very arcane business topic that I had never uttered a word about prior. My Android phone was near me. I went to Google to look up something that coincidentally started with the same letter. The term was first in Google's auto-guess. I got to where I started keeping my phone next to a small transistor radio. Even at low volume, it makes it very difficult to record you.

    I've since switched to iPhone as I have to keep a smart phone. At least with Apple, I am the customer not the product.

    I've switched over to swisscows.com for most searches. Since they don't rank using PC criteria. I can find what I'm looking for again. I'm in the process of ridding myself of Google.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Google operates contrary and nemesis to our 4th amendment.

    I don't use my free google phone for anything but a 911 source in case of real emergency, my other phone has no 911 service (save on expenses).

    I have chrome on this machine but never use it unless I need to run Google services like G maps/earth, however, I do have to keep inspecting its file: Sw Reporter tool to delete it and remove it, that little bunny runs back to google with every keystroke and mouse movement you make.

    Conglomerates like Google.Inc think they're above and beyond the laws as their practices are antitrust in scope and nature. They need to fall more than Standard Oil, the Bell System, and all others dismantled and redistributed under antitrust laws.





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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Tower, lose the Chrome. Brave or Dissenter are two Chromium based options that are not bound to Google.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    I'm on Brave now, and I use their tor browser occasionally when I don't want my IP to have information as to what I'm doing. Yea bro, you turned me on to all that shit plus Proton Mail, the Swiss Law encrypted Email account that carries the same legal protections as a Swiss bank account when it comes to search and seizure.

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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knarley Bob View Post
    I guess it would bother me to be tracked. I don't worry tho...I don't own a cell phone, or, it don't own me. Saw an ad on the tele...an add for an app to check one's "Online reputation".
    Good Gawd, how dumb is that? This here, is as close to social media as I get, I guess I'm a cave man.


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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    In this article, it is clear they are using the data from google maps. They know where you went, how fast you were going to get there, how long you stayed etc... That sort of information could help exonerate a man. It would be great if we could store that kind of info on our own instead of via google.

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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Our data is a profit center, it is being collected and sold. I do not even think using a proxy server will keep one anonymous because I think Microsoft is in on it as well. If anybody here doesn't have a proxy server, there are several good ones available where the basic service is free

    Pb asked if this can be a good thing. I would guess it can, but install an app to track yourself. Big Government will use any gathered data against, not for you


    Talk about hypergamy, get this, my 'reputation' score went DOWN when my Ex filed, and hers went UP
    I lost 30 points on my credit score after she filed, 1 Credit Card dropped my limit. It took about 16 months to get those 30 points back
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    In this article, it is clear they are using the data from google maps. They know where you went, how fast you were going to get there, how long you stayed etc... That sort of information could help exonerate a man. It would be great if we could store that kind of info on our own instead of via google.
    Download your Google data. You'll have a JSON file that contains your location data. There are web sites that will take that data set and make a heat map. Places I've visited only once are shown. At least my iPhone tells me when an app is using my location data and only if I allow it. The Android seemed to be a 24/7/365 free-for-all.

    Google no longer automatically records my location everywhere I go. I switched over to the HERE navigation app. It's only 80% as good as Google, but it's not Google.

    Thanks Tower, also inside of Brave there are options to help keep websites from fingerprinting you. Swisscows.com is based in Switzerland, possibly the only country on Earth where the Rule of Law still applies. They tell both the US and the EU to buzz off and go through our justice system as in get a damn warrant. I like running tor through a VPN. Also, Proton offers a free level VPN that's not too bad. I pay them for their $5 plan.

    As for my motivation, I'm making it as difficult as possible for any third party marketers to access my private life. As their collected data ages, it becomes worth less.

    I strategically poisoned my Facebook account data for such an extended period that it became an even more freakish experience. I've deleted it and left them with pure garbage on my way out the door. My data poisoning campaign has only begun.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChauvinistPig View Post
    Download your Google data. You'll have a JSON file that contains your location data. There are web sites that will take that data set and make a heat map. Places I've visited only once are shown. At least my iPhone tells me when an app is using my location data and only if I allow it. The Android seemed to be a 24/7/365 free-for-all.

    Google no longer automatically records my location everywhere I go. I switched over to the HERE navigation app. It's only 80% as good as Google, but it's not Google.

    Thanks Tower, also inside of Brave there are options to help keep websites from fingerprinting you. Swisscows.com is based in Switzerland, possibly the only country on Earth where the Rule of Law still applies. They tell both the US and the EU to buzz off and go through our justice system as in get a damn warrant. I like running tor through a VPN. Also, Proton offers a free level VPN that's not too bad. I pay them for their $5 plan.

    As for my motivation, I'm making it as difficult as possible for any third party marketers to access my private life. As their collected data ages, it becomes worth less.

    I strategically poisoned my Facebook account data for such an extended period that it became an even more freakish experience. I've deleted it and left them with pure garbage on my way out the door. My data poisoning campaign has only begun.
    I get like that whenever I feel I'm being interrogated. Officer Odie said in his police report that I was evasive when being questioned, in other words, he couldn't get me to say what he wants. Getting me to say something stupid is like trying to use rubber nails!

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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
    Our data is a profit center, it is being collected and sold. I do not even think using a proxy server will keep one anonymous because I think Microsoft is in on it as well. If anybody here doesn't have a proxy server, there are several good ones available where the basic service is free

    Pb asked if this can be a good thing. I would guess it can, but install an app to track yourself. Big Government will use any gathered data against, not for you


    Talk about hypergamy, get this, my 'reputation' score went DOWN when my Ex filed, and hers went UP
    I lost 30 points on my credit score after she filed, 1 Credit Card dropped my limit. It took about 16 months to get those 30 points back
    To be fair to the credit rating agencies, they are probably not "in on it". They are just keenly aware of what is about to financially happen to a man in that situation.

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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    This much I know. There is not now, nor will there ever be, listening software in my home. I can press a button on a toaster, or select a song from a playlist with the swipe of a finger. Telling your phone to do things - it's a novelty. But it also means your devices are listening to you. What I say in private in my own home is my goddamned business. Not Zuckerbergs business. Not Bill Gates business. Not the governments business. And they will tell you outright - anything they capture in any digital form after you click the "I agree" box and Click "Accept" is theirs to keep and do with what they please, forever.

    Um, no.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    This much I know. There is not now, nor will there ever be, listening software in my home. I can press a button on a toaster, or select a song from a playlist with the swipe of a finger. Telling your phone to do things - it's a novelty. But it also means your devices are listening to you. What I say in private in my own home is my goddamned business. Not Zuckerbergs business. Not Bill Gates business. Not the governments business. And they will tell you outright - anything they capture in any digital form after you click the "I agree" box and Click "Accept" is theirs to keep and do with what they please, forever.

    Um, no.
    Feed them Slayer's "Dead Skin Mask" 24/7/365. I've a friend who will force anyone with any listening device to unplug the power.

    I can also affirm that using the iPhone along with Google's traffic maps that I now have direct control over them getting my GPS data. The Android is an open mike 24/7 as well as reports your position back to Google 24/7. I don't mind storing the data for business trips as it's an audit validation.

    I still don't trust the iPhone, but it does give the user way more control. You'd freak on exactly how sensitive those mics are. I'm talking normal conversations from three rooms over are clear as day. That sensitivity is why a small radio overdrives the mic.

    Using their strengths against them that is unless they are using Fourier techniques. I'm thinking of a sound box blasting "Dead Skin Mask" 24/7 into the phone.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChauvinistPig View Post
    Feed them Slayer's "Dead Skin Mask" 24/7/365. I've a friend who will force anyone with any listening device to unplug the power.

    I can also affirm that using the iPhone along with Google's traffic maps that I now have direct control over them getting my GPS data. The Android is an open mike 24/7 as well as reports your position back to Google 24/7. I don't mind storing the data for business trips as it's an audit validation.

    I still don't trust the iPhone, but it does give the user way more control. You'd freak on exactly how sensitive those mics are. I'm talking normal conversations from three rooms over are clear as day. That sensitivity is why a small radio overdrives the mic.

    Using their strengths against them that is unless they are using Fourier techniques. I'm thinking of a sound box blasting "Dead Skin Mask" 24/7 into the phone.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    I have an old style Flip phone,...I use a Linux based OS,.....I use Pale moon as a web browser.....got Protonmail for my email crap and only search thru Yandex.......... Even with that I do not feel secure...


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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    I personally believe the security agencies can easily break any and all "allowed" encryption protocols. Irregardless of what they claim. They were squealing like stuck pigs over this issue back in the mid to late 1990's.

    If I properly configure my security appliance, I can man-in-the-middle break https, the major security protocol for most secure web sites. You won't even get a certificate error warning. Your employer or ISP can do it too if motivated which is why I VPN everything. VPN is tougher, but the major security agencies, say US, UK, Israel, Russia, China, and Germany are able to break it(IMHO) though they'll never admit to it.

    My main reasons are Zuckerberg and marketers so I've no issue with the security agencies provided they are not drag netting. A poor lock is better than no lock. Zuckerberg is pure evil.
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Could google tracking data set a man free from these sorts of baseless accusations?
    I didn't watch the video so I will assume the baseless accusations could be assault and the like.

    I suppose it could prove you innocent. But, seems to me, all it would prove is that your phone, not you, was not where she accused you of being, at some indefinite time of day as specified by her failing memory. Perhaps your phone's list of calls sent/received as verified by your cell phone company might place you at your phone while google tracking would place your phone elsewhere than where she was at? Maybe the cell phone company can pin down the nearest cell tower of the applicable phone call to prove you had to be far away from the scene of the alleged crime?
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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    The google thing has every single stop you make on record. It literally records your every move complete with a request for you to review or answer questions about every place you go. It is COMPLETELY intrusive. That being said, it is also a record of where you have been and for how long. Just having an accurate timeline, even if you don't submit it to the court could give an individual the ability to accurately reconstruct their whereabouts if they are ever accused of something.

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    Re: Can the intrusiveness of google be a good thing?

    Perhaps I could present to the court my time on website forums? Any of my time-stamped posts? Any of my credit card purchases, whether online or in-store? My supervisor and coworkers know that I was at work? These things also can identify my geolocation, I think.

    Hmm, I have a dash cam on my car that is always on when my car is moving. Maybe I am not seen on its camera, but neither am I seen on my cellphone that is moving around with me.

    My bus pass, if registered online, will show date and time of every swipe, and the bus stop.

    My point is that maybe each of us already have several other everyday things that might "prove" where we physically were, or not were?
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