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    Where are we headed?

    What’s wrong with society? Not everything, but it’s getting there.

    Technology:

    Advances in technology have benefitted society in so many ways I’m not even going to try to list them, nor put up any argument against them. However, with every advancement there will always be problems. There will always be some people who will try to turn it to their advantage, and since the advent of the Internet and advanced telecommunications there are more opportunities than ever for abuse.

    In my youth (I’m now in my 50’s) feminism seemed to be a good thing. It called for equality for women, especially in the workplace, the right to vote and to participate in an equable society. This all seemed fair and well to me as a young idealistic man. However, even at that young age there were things that just didn’t seem right. The things that feminism called for seemed very specific, never for complete equality. But not fully understanding the implications of such things, I happily went along with the herd.

    Today things look very different to me. It seems feminism has been co-opted by a few very bitter people and is more akin to anarchism. Maybe this was the intent all along, I’m unsure, but in absence of hard evidence I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

    These “few people”, for the sake of argument let’s say one in a thousand, were always there but had very little voice. Now with the advent of the internet, these people have been able to join together and what a force they have become. They are the voices that get the attention of the so called news media because the media loves nothing more than a bit of controversy as it increases their viewing / reading figures. Make no mistake, the news media only has an interest in providing actual news coverage when it is of benefit to them.

    Feminism today:

    To me feminism is no longer about equality (if it ever was), but more so the oppression of men in all our forms. If you doubt this I’ll cite just a few examples:

    The METOO movement: Let me start by saying that anyone who has sexually abused another should be punished by society, that is what society is all about after all – providing for and protecting ourselves and those around us. But how can anyone be expected to defend themselves against accusations over twenty years old? I often have trouble remembering what I had for dinner last night, as for years ago – forget it because I have. Yet women are making such accusations often without evidence. Even if these accusations do not bear scrutiny and never make it to the courts, the mere accusation these days can be enough to destroy a person’s life. The days of guilty until proven innocent, if not a thing of the past certainly seem to be numbered.

    The Believe Women movement: Thankfully this was short lived (although I wouldn’t be surprised if it reared its head again). This stated in no ambiguous terms that ANY woman making ANY complaint of ANY sort of abuse by a man should automatically be believed. What utter nonsense. Women don’t tell lies? Even most women will admit that this is clearly absurd.

    Divorce Rape: Too many times I have heard stories of abuses of the obviously lopsided legal system in western culture. Good men’s lives being totally ruined by money grabbing ex’s with exorbitant alimony payments and child support payments while denying wannabe good fathers access to their own children. To all the looky-loos out there I will not go into any more detail here as there are many, many stories of this nature here and all over the web. I hope this culture will change, but in reality I do not expect it to, at least not in my lifetime.

    Feminism is insidious and inserting itself into our everyday lives: I like watching T.V. and movies. It seems though that no matter what show you switch on today (there are a few exceptions but they are rare) feminism in its many forms has to be inserted willy-nilly adding absolutely nothing to the storyline and usually greatly detracting from it. I can only conclude that this is a concerted effort to brainwash society – hey, this is what everyone thinks and so should you!!!


    Coalitions:

    Feminism has joined forces with other minority groups, but these are coalitions of convenience. You will often hear feminism, LGBTQ rights, minority rights and even socialism being spoken of in similar terms by individuals trying to make a name for themselves. But feminism is different. It will eventually turn on these other groups because they contain male members. Men are the enemy and must be subdued. Feminists however have learned to be a patient lot. Because they know they cannot succeed in the short term without the help of men, they co-opt other groups and pretend to support them in return for their support. I can’t help but think of this:

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


    • Pastor Martin Niemoller


    There is a longer version, but I believe this to be the original. It is enough to get the point across.

    To all you social justice warriors out there, take heed, this is what is waiting for you and your cause, the subjugation of men is their ONLY concern.

    Women are the equal of men:

    I hear this a lot, and what utter nonsense it is. Mostly I hear it from women but also from some men (the fools). This is my take. Yes, of course there are many areas in life where there is no discernible difference in the abilities of men and women. But there are also many where the differences manifest themselves incontrovertibly. Sometimes men’s abilities outstrip those of women and vice-versa. The point is that there are differences and my simple question is this: if there are differences, how can they be equal? This seems perfectly straightforward to me.

    Women are too emotional, men are too logical:

    This is an argument I’ve had many times. In my opinion women seem to act primarily on their emotions without thinking things through fully. They act in a way that seems to suit them at the time and then wonder what went wrong when their lives get totally fucked up. But I’m a man so what do I really know about how a woman’s mind works. Men on the other hand tend to look at the pitfalls before making a decision and therefore prepare themselves for possible mistakes.

    Humans are emotional beings and emotions aren’t all bad. They often protect us from making stupid mistakes.

    Also I have to say I don’t like the term “logic” when referring to how men think. Yes logic is a factor, but I prefer the term “reason”. We (men) tend to apply reason to counterbalance emotions. Neither is perfect on its own, rather emotion encourages impulse, reason prevents us from acting overly impulsively.

    People should know their place:

    To me this is perhaps the biggest problem with society today.

    For millennia there has been a certain order to society, and admittedly there have been injustices.

    Feminists would have you believe that all the injustices were against women but that simply isn’t true. Men were the ones generally speaking, I believe, that were the hunters. They would risk their lives going out to hunt with nothing but wooden spears or even rocks, and if they came back empty handed society would frown on them, lowering their social standing.

    Later men would be the ones that invented and built things in order to make lives better for themselves, their families and society in general.

    Today things have changed somewhat, but it is still men who are in the front line. For the most part men are still the builders and creators of new technology. In time of war it is mostly male lives that are taken yet the media will concentrate on the women and children. Hmmm.

    I am not an optimistic fool, but I would like to think that at sometime in our future men and women could come together to respect our various strengths and weaknesses and that women would stop trying to punish men for being men.

    O.K. maybe I am an optimistic fool.

    Marriage no longer works in today’s society:

    In the past marriage vows were taken seriously for the most part, mainly for the reason I’ve already stated above: people knew their place in society. The family unit was the single most important thing to most people and to make this work men and women needed each other. Now it seems to be everyone for themselves - commitment is only good for as long as it benefits me.

    Also the concept of marriage for life has been around for a long time. Up until the 1800’s – 1900’s due to life expectancy this meant about 25 years or so as people rarely lived beyond the age of 40 / 45 – see here:

    https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

    Today people live a lot longer. Is it fair to any of us believe that any union between two people should be expected to last 60 years or more?

    Women and their manipulative ways:

    So far I have spoken mostly about feminism and its intentional and detrimental effect on society but it’s more subtle than that. Women seem to intuitively know how to manipulate men from a very young age (maybe its taught mother to daughter I don’t know). They seem to be able to gauge a male’s interest almost instantly.

    If we (males) are someone they (females) wish to engage with then they will actively pursue the relationship. I have no problems with this, it seems perfectly natural to me. When men realise a woman is interested in them, they either pursue that interest or ignore it with a no harm no foul attitude.

    However, if females perceive an interest that isn’t reciprocated by them, they will often try to turn this to their advantage. This is what many of us have come to know as friend-zoning. They will tell the interested male that they “only want to be friends” or that they “value our friendship”. What they really mean is “I want something from you, but am willing to give nothing much in return”. In other words association with this male may benefit them in some way – maybe it’s financial, maybe protection, maybe job opportunities, whatever, but the poor beguiled man doesn’t realise he’s being used – pure and simple.

    We, as men, have to bear much of the responsibility for this behaviour as we allow it to happen, usually in the hope of something more down the line (usually sex but not always).

    However I think it speaks volumes as to the manipulative nature of women in general. While they tend to be more emotional in their activities than their male counterparts in general, in this they display signs of totally cold logic – here is something I want, how do I get it at minimal cost…
    And this way of thinking persists into all their relationships with men: I want – you provide.

    In conclusion:

    And so we come back to technology. Because of things like social media nobody knows their place any more. We are assaulted with so many different viewpoints that none of us, male or female, can possibly take it all in. We are, in essence, a very confused people and it is within this confusion that modern feminism is making so much ground.

    A while ago I seen coverage of a “civil rights” march. To my horror and confusion I actually seen a white male physically attacking another white male for being a white male! There was no room for confusion as audio was also included.

    What is wrong with us as a society? Well I think I have outlined some of it above and always welcome other viewpoints. I could have fleshed things out a bit more and included many more examples of where feminism is infiltrating society – education (women’s studies) is just one such example, but I hope I’ve included enough to make my point.

    These are my views and observations and together with my own personal experiences that is why I have decided that I want none of it.

    Gee this seems a bit on the heavy side, so maybe a little on-topic humour would also be appropriate:


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    These feminists have taken the technology and turned it against us. You can be having an argument with your girlfriend verbally while she texts for the Police and tells them whatever she wants. The internet has spread these tactics to other countries, and the ideology behind it has taken over in many countries. My dad always said he wanted to live to see the 21st century. I wonder what he thinks now? God rest his soul. I'll bet he's glad he didn't.

    I'm going to play pessimist here and answer your question with we are headed nowhere. We have arrived. Look at the news stories and read the stories we've posted here. Some of them are horrendous. The Democrats in the U.S. are having their debates now and they want America to believe that our biggest problem is Donald Trump. They look in the mirror and stand in an echo chamber. The problems America has are with itself and between us, Donald Trump has nothing to do with what our problems are.

    Until Americans act on a local level to restore Democracy we are going to continue to alienate a large segment of our population. That can be very dangerous in a country where the locals are all armed to the teeth. That's why they want our guns. Roundups are easier than firefights.

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    Re: Where are we headed?

    Hopefully this ties in.....on the couch last night waiting for the clown show (dems) to come on and was reading local news. Saw an article about the Black Moon that could be seen last night. First thing that came to mind was.... the damn dems will probably say it's racist and Trump caused it.. LOL society has regressed to that point.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Hopefully this ties in.....on the couch last night waiting for the clown show (dems) to come on and was reading local news. Saw an article about the Black Moon that could be seen last night. First thing that came to mind was.... the damn dems will probably say it's racist and Trump caused it.. LOL society has regressed to that point.......
    Don't give them any ideas.
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    Re: Where are we headed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    These feminists have taken the technology and turned it against us. You can be having an argument with your girlfriend verbally while she texts for the Police and tells them whatever she wants. The internet has spread these tactics to other countries, and the ideology behind it has taken over in many countries. My dad always said he wanted to live to see the 21st century. I wonder what he thinks now? God rest his soul. I'll bet he's glad he didn't.

    I'm going to play pessimist here and answer your question with we are headed nowhere. We have arrived. Look at the news stories and read the stories we've posted here. Some of them are horrendous. The Democrats in the U.S. are having their debates now and they want America to believe that our biggest problem is Donald Trump. They look in the mirror and stand in an echo chamber. The problems America has are with itself and between us, Donald Trump has nothing to do with what our problems are.

    Until Americans act on a local level to restore Democracy we are going to continue to alienate a large segment of our population. That can be very dangerous in a country where the locals are all armed to the teeth. That's why they want our guns. Roundups are easier than firefights.

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    Indeed. Fundamental rights are being eroded, bit by bit by bit. Freedom of speech, innocent until proven guilty. All these is being replaced by 'social justice' aka authoritarianism.

    Women will obviously play their part since it is beneficial for them to contract a victim narrative under a culture of social justice as opposed to treating individuals as... individuals.

    We, as men, have to bear much of the responsibility for this behaviour as we allow it to happen, usually in the hope of something more down the line (usually sex but not always).
    I would disagree there. No men are allowing it, they have been heavily brainwashed into being protector/provider. Most of the choices you make are unconscious, they have been pre-programmed, like when you look at a sexy woman and want to chase her.

    It is just way too much to ask for a man to be completely in touch with his intuitions regarding female manipulation. Our intuitions and feelings are drummed out of us very early on (to our detriment unfortunately).

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    Re: Where are we headed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    I would disagree there. No men are allowing it, they have been heavily brainwashed into being protector/provider. Most of the choices you make are unconscious, they have been pre-programmed, like when you look at a sexy woman and want to chase her.
    O.K. maybe "allowing it" isn't the right term, but because of the brainwashing we are certainly part of it before getting red-pilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    O.K. maybe "allowing it" isn't the right term, but because of the brainwashing we are certainly part of it before getting red-pilled.
    Yes indeed sir. I think a helpful way to 'be' in the modern world is to try to be sensitive to the pain of other men. I think many men, including MGTOW minded men, don't understand just how deep the brainwashing goes.

    I mean we are literally finding out about the mere basics of life at the age of 30, 40, and in some cases even 50!
    Females know it from the very early on! They have excellent intuition and understand social dynamics extremely well!


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